Why do I need 2 hardship letters to go with the I 601?

[nathmc31 0]

Hey everyone,

Just a question. What are the 2 hardship letters for. I know 1 is to outline your hardships but why a 2nd one

what goes into it.

Also what kind of assaults constitute a CIMT.

Thanks Guy's

[irishgirl73 0]

Hey everyone,

Just a question. What are the 2 hardship letters for. I know 1 is to outline your hardships but why a 2nd one

what goes into it.

Also what kind of assaults constitute a CIMT.

Thanks Guy's

I found this on the web-if you look in this forum on page 5.................I posted something about CIMT-hope this helps(can't figure out to put up the link for you )

found this: according to this-fighting is NOT a crime of moral turpitude-maybe this will help others

It has been held that the following offenses are crimes involving moral turpitude:

• Fraud or false pretenses in obtaining something of value

• Larceny or a misdemeanor theft by taking

• Larceny after trust

• Murder

• Soliciting for prostitutes

• Voluntary manslaughter

• Sale of narcotics or other illegal drugs

• Pattern of failure to file federal tax returns in years in which taxes are due

• Criminal Issuance of a bad check

• Making a false report of a crime

The following have been held to be offenses which are NOT crimes involving moral turpitude:

• Public drunkenness

• Driving under the influence

• Carrying a concealed weapon

• Unlawful sale of liquor

• Fighting

• Simple Battery

• Simple Assault

• Misdemeanor criminal trespass

• Child abandonment

• Misdemeanor offense of escape

• Misdemeanor offense of obstructing a law enforcement officer

• The federal misdemeanor offense of Conspiracy in Restraint of Interstate Trade and Commerce

• Possession of less than one ounce of marijuana

[munchkins 0]

One is from your partner showing the hardships to her if you are not allowed to join her and the other is from you, as far as I am aware. I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong

[irishgirl73 0]

One is from your partner showing the hardships to her if you are not allowed to join her and the other is from you, as far as I am aware. I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong

I was wondering the same thing-thanks

so when filing a I-601................Gav & I would both have to write letters-right? I think I am going to prepare one just in case

Edited June 7, 2006 by irishgirl73

[Baileyj96 0]

Yes you will both write a letter. What we were advised to do was to use My (USC) as the main letter listing all the harships and the evidence giving all the details. The letter from the non USC is basically a repeat of the other letter with less detail. It was more relaxed and we used it to give more details involving the reason for the denial and rehabilitation. Our waiver is pending so I'm not positive it worked but that was what were were advised to do. Never have heard why London required a letter from both but they do and if you don't submit one they will delay your filing until you do.

Also If the USC does not put details in their letter of why the non USC was denied. You might want to include a letter from the USC stating what the rejection was for and that they are fully aware of the reason for the denial. It was requested from other people who have filed a I-601 through London.

Baileyj

This is the part I think will apply to you.

Multiple criminal convictions.-Any alien convicted of 2 or more offenses (other than purely political offenses), regardless of whether the conviction was in a single trial or whether the offenses arose from a single scheme of misconduct and regardless of whether the offenses involved moral turpitude, for which the aggregate sentences to confinement 2/ were 5 years or more is inadmissible.

Baileyj

Edited June 7, 2006 by Baileyj96

[scroll 0]

You might want to take a look here: http://www.immigrate2us.net/forum/portal.php Most people here are filing I-601 for various reasons. This is a very valuable site for information about waivers.

[irishgirl73 0]

Thanks-I have been on that site several times....................the problem is-I don't know if we will need to file a waiver, so I think unfortunately-I will have to wait & see what happens at the interview. There seems to be conflicting opinions about wether he will need to file one or not. I may start writing one to show hardship(which I have to admit will be VERY difficult) just to be somewhat prepared if we do need to submit one.

Thanks everyone

Edited June 7, 2006 by irishgirl73

[irishgirl73 0]

ok according to the other post he WILL have to file-I have to double check with him-maybe it was only one for drunk & disorderly and one for litter-does it matter if he WASN"T convicted of anything? It seems pretty ridiculous that he would need a waiver for litter.

[nathmc31 0]

Yes you will both write a letter. What we were advised to do was to use My (USC) as the main letter listing all the harships and the evidence giving all the details. The letter from the non USC is basically a repeat of the other letter with less detail. It was more relaxed and we used it to give more details involving the reason for the denial and rehabilitation. Our waiver is pending so I'm not positive it worked but that was what were were advised to do. Never have heard why London required a letter from both but they do and if you don't submit one they will delay your filing until you do.

Also If the USC does not put details in their letter of why the non USC was denied. You might want to include a letter from the USC stating what the rejection was for and that they are fully aware of the reason for the denial. It was requested from other people who have filed a I-601 through London.

Baileyj

This is the part I think will apply to you.

Multiple criminal convictions.-Any alien convicted of 2 or more offenses (other than purely political offenses), regardless of whether the conviction was in a single trial or whether the offenses arose from a single scheme of misconduct and regardless of whether the offenses involved moral turpitude, for which the aggregate sentences to confinement 2/ were 5 years or more is inadmissible.

Baileyj

So Baileyj

My convictions had a total combine possible sentence of 4 years. So what that statement says is that I wont need a waiver. Is that right? Or at least there is a good possibility I wont. I dont know how to interperate it correctly.

thanks mate

wait for your response

[Baileyj96 0]

nathmc31,

I want to apologize. I just now remembered that you were from Australia and not London. Think I got you confused with Irishgirls post. I'm not sure that they require two hardship letters. London is the only one that I know of that required a hardship letter from both the USC and non USC. Sorry for the confusion. Didn't want to mis inform you.

As far as the amount of time on the convictions, I'm not positive at the moment. I'll check when I get home from work, but I believe that both of my fiance's sentences were under 2 years but he was still required to file the waiver because of the multiple convictions. I'll try to look that up tonight for you to be sure and I'll send you a note. I know the law is hard to interpret. I've tried to do that for over a year now. lol

Just trying to help you out

Bailey.........Vicky

Edited June 7, 2006 by Baileyj96

[mary&tom 0]

nathmc31,

I want to apologize. I just now remembered that you were from Australia and not London. Think I got you confused with Irishgirls post. I'm not sure that they require two hardship letters. London is the only one that I know of that required a hardship letter from both the USC and non USC. Sorry for the confusion. Didn't want to mis inform you.

As far as the amount of time on the convictions, I'm not positive at the moment. I'll check when I get home from work, but I believe that both of my fiance's sentences were under 2 years but he was still required to file the waiver because of the multiple convictions. I'll try to look that up tonight for you to be sure and I'll send you a note. I know the law is hard to interpret. I've tried to do that for over a year now. lol

Just trying to help you out

Bailey.........Vicky

Let's not forget about Liam... they didn't require him to file a waiver because his offenses were quite minor, and then he was turned back a the POE and had to go back to the Embassy to straighten out that mess. He ended up having to file a waiver after all... alot of time was wasted and by then he had sold everything, quit his job etc. His fiance was waiting for him. It was a terrible situation/

mary

[beetee4ever 0]

I was never advised/told to file 2 hardshipletter, since I had my DFC in Copenhagen/Denmark, but it sounds like it's a requirement from the London embassy... and now my waiver is being adjudicated in London

The good thing is that in the USC hardshipletter he did write why I had to file a I-601 and I also wrote a personal, more emotional letter and added that too. Do you guys think that was enough??

Seriously, I was NEVER EVER told to write 2 hardshipletters, I only found out after reading around in VJ.... oy

I got help with my hardshipletter from Immigrate2Us and the ones that are submitting I-601's in Mexico and other countries, they only wrote 1 letter too.

Is the 2 hardshipletter letter standard only for London???

[irishgirl73 0]

nathmc31,

I want to apologize. I just now remembered that you were from Australia and not London. Think I got you confused with Irishgirls post. I'm not sure that they require two hardship letters. London is the only one that I know of that required a hardship letter from both the USC and non USC. Sorry for the confusion. Didn't want to mis inform you.

As far as the amount of time on the convictions, I'm not positive at the moment. I'll check when I get home from work, but I believe that both of my fiance's sentences were under 2 years but he was still required to file the waiver because of the multiple convictions. I'll try to look that up tonight for you to be sure and I'll send you a note. I know the law is hard to interpret. I've tried to do that for over a year now. lol

Just trying to help you out

Bailey.........Vicky

Let's not forget about Liam... they didn't require him to file a waiver because his offenses were quite minor, and then he was turned back a the POE and had to go back to the Embassy to straighten out that mess. He ended up having to file a waiver after all... alot of time was wasted and by then he had sold everything, quit his job etc. His fiance was waiting for him. It was a terrible situation/

mary

I do rememeber their story-I actually e-mailed him not too long ago(horrible thing that happened to him).

I will do my best to get the paperwork together in case he needs the I-601, but I really hope that his very minor offenses will not be that big of a deal. If he DOES require a waiver-hopefully they will tell him so at the interview at not at the POE.It is very hard getting paperwork together not knowing if he will need to file or not

[Baileyj96 0]

Yeah Mary I kind of forgot about that. I guess I might want to keep my mouth shut when it comes to what I think. You try to help out and give someone your opinion and if your wrong you feel bad. It's kind of your &^%&^% if you do and &^&*^ it you don't.

Baileyj

[irishgirl73 0]

None of us here are claiming to be experts-just sharing experiences. I appreciate everyone's help

Guess everyone's case is different. I will try to prepare for a waiver although I am praying that won't won't be needed. You guys rock Hey Vicky-don't keep your mouth shut-we all need eachother here