Note: Removing Inactive members from the Org Team

[Ban Hammer 13,470]

complete and utter nonsense. anyone who's read your posts since that incident would see you still have a hard on about it. for a reminder, the first version of "July 2007 K-1 Filers~, We made it! Now let's keep in touch", and you've carried it over to the second version too, along with various threads in the russia forum and even depicted in your personal member title. spare me the halo act, i'm not buying it.

Dear god but you've got a reading comprehension problem.

Read the post that you just quoted because you obviously haven't. I said I don't like you. And I don't. And then I said I considered the incident where you wrongly moved a thread out of the RU forum to be closed, and that I was not pushing for you to be removed as an organizer. So if you can find a recent post where I was calling for you to be removed, please do share.

And do try to follow along next time, mmkay?

it was read and understood. perhaps you should consider that, eh? now define "recent" - and by your own admission, you've apparently in the past called for me to be removed.

[mox 298]

it was read and understood. perhaps you should consider that, eh? now define "recent" - and by your own admission, you've apparently in the past called for me to be removed.

Of course I've called for you to be removed. I thought you were a horrible organizer before, and I still think you're one of the worst examples of an organizer VJ has. But I haven't called for you to be removed since the incident was resolved where you incorrectly removed a post from the RU forum, because it's just not worth it. I'd rather spend my time trying to ensure organizers are held to a specific standard so that problems like the ones you've caused in the past don't continue to happen.

[john & jean 37]

charles! for PRESIDENT

[Ban Hammer 13,470]

it was read and understood. perhaps you should consider that, eh? now define "recent" - and by your own admission, you've apparently in the past called for me to be removed.

Of course I've called for you to be removed. I thought you were a horrible organizer before, and I still think you're one of the worst examples of an organizer VJ has. But I haven't called for you to be removed since the incident was resolved where you incorrectly removed a post from the RU forum, because it's just not worth it. I'd rather spend my time trying to ensure organizers are held to a specific standard so that problems like the ones you've caused in the past don't continue to happen.

you may think that if you wish. it's not going to cause me to lose any sleep. perhaps ewok should make you an organizer since you seem to know everything there is to know about vj?

and you're still going on about that thread in the russian forum, imagine that.

[Sinergy 3]

it was read and understood. perhaps you should consider that, eh? now define "recent" - and by your own admission, you've apparently in the past called for me to be removed.

Of course I've called for you to be removed. I thought you were a horrible organizer before, and I still think you're one of the worst examples of an organizer VJ has. But I haven't called for you to be removed since the incident was resolved where you incorrectly removed a post from the RU forum, because it's just not worth it. I'd rather spend my time trying to ensure organizers are held to a specific standard so that problems like the ones you've caused in the past don't continue to happen.

you may think that if you wish. it's not going to cause me to lose any sleep. perhaps ewok should make you an organizer since you seem to know everything there is to know about vj?

and you're still going on about that thread in the russian forum, imagine that.

Obviously you should take it upon yourself to step down

And after reading the last thing capt wrote, what i stated to pushbrk was not an attack ....seeing it wasnt anyway, it was an HO statement. tho then again we cant have those on VJ

Mox, we orgs are treated like doormats. it wasnt easy before when all we basically can do is move threads, but when we did try to calm threads down or whatnot, we were insulted, attacked and reported, now, we can move threads, be silent and be a doormat for ppl like pushbrk who like to call us out on stupid childish stuff and report us for every breath of air we take. Its not fair, and i do believe that instead of PUSHBRK and you making organizer rules, the organizers and capt should have a meeting and decide these things together.

[Ban Hammer 13,470]

it was read and understood. perhaps you should consider that, eh? now define "recent" - and by your own admission, you've apparently in the past called for me to be removed.

Of course I've called for you to be removed. I thought you were a horrible organizer before, and I still think you're one of the worst examples of an organizer VJ has. But I haven't called for you to be removed since the incident was resolved where you incorrectly removed a post from the RU forum, because it's just not worth it. I'd rather spend my time trying to ensure organizers are held to a specific standard so that problems like the ones you've caused in the past don't continue to happen.

you may think that if you wish. it's not going to cause me to lose any sleep. perhaps ewok should make you an organizer since you seem to know everything there is to know about vj?

and you're still going on about that thread in the russian forum, imagine that.

Obviously you should take it upon yourself to step down

And after reading the last thing capt wrote, what i stated to pushbrk was not an attack ....seeing it wasnt anyway, it was an HO statement. tho then again we cant have those on VJ

Mox, we orgs are treated like doormats. it wasnt easy before when all we basically can do is move threads, but when we did try to calm threads down or whatnot, we were insulted, attacked and reported, now, we can move threads, be silent and be a doormat for ppl like pushbrk who like to call us out on stupid childish stuff and report us for every breath of air we take. Its not fair, and i do believe that instead of PUSHBRK and you making organizer rules, the organizers and capt should have a meeting and decide these things together.

i'd add to that - with input from the mods, since they occupy a position of great responsibility on vj.

[Sinergy 3]

it was read and understood. perhaps you should consider that, eh? now define "recent" - and by your own admission, you've apparently in the past called for me to be removed.

Of course I've called for you to be removed. I thought you were a horrible organizer before, and I still think you're one of the worst examples of an organizer VJ has. But I haven't called for you to be removed since the incident was resolved where you incorrectly removed a post from the RU forum, because it's just not worth it. I'd rather spend my time trying to ensure organizers are held to a specific standard so that problems like the ones you've caused in the past don't continue to happen.

you may think that if you wish. it's not going to cause me to lose any sleep. perhaps ewok should make you an organizer since you seem to know everything there is to know about vj?

and you're still going on about that thread in the russian forum, imagine that.

Obviously you should take it upon yourself to step down

And after reading the last thing capt wrote, what i stated to pushbrk was not an attack ....seeing it wasnt anyway, it was an HO statement. tho then again we cant have those on VJ

Mox, we orgs are treated like doormats. it wasnt easy before when all we basically can do is move threads, but when we did try to calm threads down or whatnot, we were insulted, attacked and reported, now, we can move threads, be silent and be a doormat for ppl like pushbrk who like to call us out on stupid childish stuff and report us for every breath of air we take. Its not fair, and i do believe that instead of PUSHBRK and you making organizer rules, the organizers and capt should have a meeting and decide these things together.

i'd add to that - with input from the mods, since they occupy a position of great responsibility on vj.

I agree, i just PM'ed capt about it, and added the mods into the meeting.

[TBoneTX 45,853]

People may not like my direct style and they may "feel" put down by my pointed advice about how to have a successful visa process but you will not see me directly personally insulting them.

I have never seen pushbrk insult another member in the manner that has been raised as accusation. When I see that he has replied to a post, I intentionally read that thread so that I can learn something, and because I know that his replies will be concise. This applies even if the thread is otherwise of no interest to me. I would be far less interested in VJ if he did NOT post as often and as directly as he does.

And, "feel bad" versus "feel badly" is more a matter of form than meaning. However, I interpret "feel badly" to mean "using one's sense of touch in a less capable or efficient manner than another does."

[Sinergy 3]

People may not like my direct style and they may "feel" put down by my pointed advice about how to have a successful visa process but you will not see me directly personally insulting them.

I have never seen pushbrk insult another member in the manner that has been raised as accusation. When I see that he has replied to a post, I intentionally read that thread so that I can learn something, and because I know that his replies will be concise. This applies even if the thread is otherwise of no interest to me. I would be far less interested in VJ if he did NOT post as often and as directly as he does.

And, "feel bad" versus "feel badly" is more a matter of form than meaning. However, I interpret "feel badly" to mean "using one's sense of touch in a less capable or efficient manner than another does."

I HAVE seen him insult, and i HAVE reported it...it annoyes me that he pretends he has never insulted anyone.

[rebeccajo 14]

it was read and understood. perhaps you should consider that, eh? now define "recent" - and by your own admission, you've apparently in the past called for me to be removed.

Of course I've called for you to be removed. I thought you were a horrible organizer before, and I still think you're one of the worst examples of an organizer VJ has. But I haven't called for you to be removed since the incident was resolved where you incorrectly removed a post from the RU forum, because it's just not worth it. I'd rather spend my time trying to ensure organizers are held to a specific standard so that problems like the ones you've caused in the past don't continue to happen.

Mox, what's that all about (the boldened part)?

All we can do is move threads. What 'higher standard' are we supposed to be held too? And not to pick a fight, but who picked you to be the 'organizer police'? Apparently organizers aren't supposed to enter a thread and interpret TOS, etc. Are you saying you can but we can't?

This is really getting to be quite childish, IMO. We don't get paid to do this stuff. And I don't put up with this kind of ####### on paying job. I don't see why it should be levied against volunteers.

[Sinergy 3]

it was read and understood. perhaps you should consider that, eh? now define "recent" - and by your own admission, you've apparently in the past called for me to be removed.

Of course I've called for you to be removed. I thought you were a horrible organizer before, and I still think you're one of the worst examples of an organizer VJ has. But I haven't called for you to be removed since the incident was resolved where you incorrectly removed a post from the RU forum, because it's just not worth it. I'd rather spend my time trying to ensure organizers are held to a specific standard so that problems like the ones you've caused in the past don't continue to happen.

Mox, what's that all about (the boldened part)?

All we can do is move threads. What 'higher standard' are we supposed to be held too? And not to pick a fight, but who picked you to be the 'organizer police'? Apparently organizers aren't supposed to enter a thread and interpret TOS, etc. Are you saying you can but we can't?

This is really getting to be quite childish, IMO. We don't get paid to do this stuff. And I don't put up with this kind of ####### on paying job. I don't see why it should be levied against volunteers.

bc some ppl just HAVE to be in control of EVERYTHING

[rebeccajo 14]

People may not like my direct style and they may "feel" put down by my pointed advice about how to have a successful visa process but you will not see me directly personally insulting them.

I have never seen pushbrk insult another member in the manner that has been raised as accusation. When I see that he has replied to a post, I intentionally read that thread so that I can learn something, and because I know that his replies will be concise. This applies even if the thread is otherwise of no interest to me. I would be far less interested in VJ if he did NOT post as often and as directly as he does.

And, "feel bad" versus "feel badly" is more a matter of form than meaning. However, I interpret "feel badly" to mean "using one's sense of touch in a less capable or efficient manner than another does."

T-Bone, you and Krikit have both said you find nothing wrong with Push's style. Fine and good.

But I've seen plenty of comments in threads where members indicated their feelings were either hurt or they felt put down by him. And I've seen him go after members who dared to disagree with him - especially female members.

Now, while this kind of behavior really does get to me, I can put up with it until he runs crying to Ewok about being persecuted. As I said before in this thread, if you can't take it then don't dish it out. I can give as good as I get and will continue to do so - Organizer or not. Perhaps I'm not really very smart - who knows. There are certain personalities that are just clinically toxic and the only way to save yourself from them is to eject them from your life. I'd probably be better off if I just learned to ignore him. Hard to do when he's pushing people around. Hard to do.

You can disagree with me if you like. I really don't care. I know what I've read and I'm not confused by it.

[Ban Hammer 13,470]

it was read and understood. perhaps you should consider that, eh? now define "recent" - and by your own admission, you've apparently in the past called for me to be removed.

Of course I've called for you to be removed. I thought you were a horrible organizer before, and I still think you're one of the worst examples of an organizer VJ has. But I haven't called for you to be removed since the incident was resolved where you incorrectly removed a post from the RU forum, because it's just not worth it. I'd rather spend my time trying to ensure organizers are held to a specific standard so that problems like the ones you've caused in the past don't continue to happen.

Mox, what's that all about (the boldened part)?

All we can do is move threads. What 'higher standard' are we supposed to be held too? And not to pick a fight, but who picked you to be the 'organizer police'? Apparently organizers aren't supposed to enter a thread and interpret TOS, etc. Are you saying you can but we can't?

This is really getting to be quite childish, IMO. We don't get paid to do this stuff. And I don't put up with this kind of ####### on paying job. I don't see why it should be levied against volunteers.

bc some ppl just HAVE to be in control of EVERYTHING

and apparently it's still all about me.

[Sinergy 3]

People may not like my direct style and they may "feel" put down by my pointed advice about how to have a successful visa process but you will not see me directly personally insulting them.

I have never seen pushbrk insult another member in the manner that has been raised as accusation. When I see that he has replied to a post, I intentionally read that thread so that I can learn something, and because I know that his replies will be concise. This applies even if the thread is otherwise of no interest to me. I would be far less interested in VJ if he did NOT post as often and as directly as he does.

And, "feel bad" versus "feel badly" is more a matter of form than meaning. However, I interpret "feel badly" to mean "using one's sense of touch in a less capable or efficient manner than another does."

T-Bone, you and Krikit have both said you find nothing wrong with Push's style. Fine and good.

But I've seen plenty of comments in threads where members indicated their feelings were either hurt or they felt put down by him. And I've seen him go after members who dared to disagree with him - especially female members.

Now, while this kind of behavior really does get to me, I can put up with it until he runs crying to Ewok about being persecuted. As I said before in this thread, if you can't take it then don't dish it out. I can give as good as I get and will continue to do so - Organizer or not. Perhaps I'm not really very smart - who knows. There are certain personalities that are just clinically toxic and the only way to save yourself from them is to eject them from your life. I'd probably be better off if I just learned to ignore him. Hard to do when he's pushing people around. Hard to do.

You can disagree with me if you like. I really don't care. I know what I've read and I'm not confused by it.

oh yea, i forgot to mention about that LOL...yes love it!! but he never insults, hes so polite and caring and wonderful, wheres the barf smilie on this thing

it was read and understood. perhaps you should consider that, eh? now define "recent" - and by your own admission, you've apparently in the past called for me to be removed.

Of course I've called for you to be removed. I thought you were a horrible organizer before, and I still think you're one of the worst examples of an organizer VJ has. But I haven't called for you to be removed since the incident was resolved where you incorrectly removed a post from the RU forum, because it's just not worth it. I'd rather spend my time trying to ensure organizers are held to a specific standard so that problems like the ones you've caused in the past don't continue to happen.

Mox, what's that all about (the boldened part)?

All we can do is move threads. What 'higher standard' are we supposed to be held too? And not to pick a fight, but who picked you to be the 'organizer police'? Apparently organizers aren't supposed to enter a thread and interpret TOS, etc. Are you saying you can but we can't?

This is really getting to be quite childish, IMO. We don't get paid to do this stuff. And I don't put up with this kind of ####### on paying job. I don't see why it should be levied against volunteers.

bc some ppl just HAVE to be in control of EVERYTHING

and apparently it's still all about me.

bc your special

[rebeccajo 14]

it was read and understood. perhaps you should consider that, eh? now define "recent" - and by your own admission, you've apparently in the past called for me to be removed.

Of course I've called for you to be removed. I thought you were a horrible organizer before, and I still think you're one of the worst examples of an organizer VJ has. But I haven't called for you to be removed since the incident was resolved where you incorrectly removed a post from the RU forum, because it's just not worth it. I'd rather spend my time trying to ensure organizers are held to a specific standard so that problems like the ones you've caused in the past don't continue to happen.

Mox, what's that all about (the boldened part)?

All we can do is move threads. What 'higher standard' are we supposed to be held too? And not to pick a fight, but who picked you to be the 'organizer police'? Apparently organizers aren't supposed to enter a thread and interpret TOS, etc. Are you saying you can but we can't?

This is really getting to be quite childish, IMO. We don't get paid to do this stuff. And I don't put up with this kind of ####### on paying job. I don't see why it should be levied against volunteers.

bc some ppl just HAVE to be in control of EVERYTHING

and apparently it's still all about me.

Um. No it's not.

There's a couple of us they'd like to eject. And not just as Org's, but as members!