What Americans Really Want: 10 Policies We Can All Agree On

[britty 1]

What I found disturbing is while 81% polled do not favour torture, that means that 19% do. So nearly 1/5th of the population believe that torture is acceptable? Now, that is frightening.

Indeed....

There are many many instances where torture is necessary to ensure the safety and security of all. There are people out there who would see entire west nations wiped out simply because of differing religious beliefs and being complete nutjobs of course. What would you like to do with terrorists for example? Send them a strongly worded letter perhaps?

Torture is one of those issues I'm kinda ambivalant towards. While I can see in some instances where it would be effective, we are a civilized nation in the 20th century. Aren't we evolved enough as a civilization that we don't necessarily have to resort to 400AD tactics? This is one of those things where you have to go to the source. Why do these people want to see the entire West wiped out? I can assure you, contrary to Limbaugh and Savage, it's not because our "freedom" or "religion". It's because of our foreign policy and meddling with other sovereign countries. (Look at Iran, Afghanistan, and Palestine in particular)

We can continue trying to develop countries to be subservient toward US policies, but we must accept the fact that intevening in foreign affairs will earn us enemies.

Oh another genius pipes up....

Angry tonight, eh?

Not angry, just trying to educate the left wing masses who continue to post here. Gosh its tiresome sometimes though.

[HAL 9000 96]

What I found disturbing is while 81% polled do not favour torture, that means that 19% do. So nearly 1/5th of the population believe that torture is acceptable? Now, that is frightening.

Indeed....

There are many many instances where torture is necessary to ensure the safety and security of all. There are people out there who would see entire west nations wiped out simply because of differing religious beliefs and being complete nutjobs of course. What would you like to do with terrorists for example? Send them a strongly worded letter perhaps?

Torture is one of those issues I'm kinda ambivalant towards. While I can see in some instances where it would be effective, we are a civilized nation in the 20th century. Aren't we evolved enough as a civilization that we don't necessarily have to resort to 400AD tactics? This is one of those things where you have to go to the source. Why do these people want to see the entire West wiped out? I can assure you, contrary to Limbaugh and Savage, it's not because our "freedom" or "religion". It's because of our foreign policy and meddling with other sovereign countries. (Look at Iran, Afghanistan, and Palestine in particular)

We can continue trying to develop countries to be subservient toward US policies, but we must accept the fact that intevening in foreign affairs will earn us enemies.

Oh another genius pipes up....

Angry tonight, eh?

Not angry, just trying to educate the left wing masses who continue to post here. Gosh its tiresome sometimes though.

Didn't know Matt was part of the left wing mass that posted here. way to go trooper.

sure goes to show ya what a great teacher you are.

[britty 1]

What I found disturbing is while 81% polled do not favour torture, that means that 19% do. So nearly 1/5th of the population believe that torture is acceptable? Now, that is frightening.

Indeed....

There are many many instances where torture is necessary to ensure the safety and security of all. There are people out there who would see entire west nations wiped out simply because of differing religious beliefs and being complete nutjobs of course. What would you like to do with terrorists for example? Send them a strongly worded letter perhaps?

Torture is one of those issues I'm kinda ambivalant towards. While I can see in some instances where it would be effective, we are a civilized nation in the 20th century. Aren't we evolved enough as a civilization that we don't necessarily have to resort to 400AD tactics? This is one of those things where you have to go to the source. Why do these people want to see the entire West wiped out? I can assure you, contrary to Limbaugh and Savage, it's not because our "freedom" or "religion". It's because of our foreign policy and meddling with other sovereign countries. (Look at Iran, Afghanistan, and Palestine in particular)

We can continue trying to develop countries to be subservient toward US policies, but we must accept the fact that intevening in foreign affairs will earn us enemies.

Oh another genius pipes up....

Angry tonight, eh?

Not angry, just trying to educate the left wing masses who continue to post here. Gosh its tiresome sometimes though.

Didn't know Matt was part of the left wing mass that posted here. way to go trooper.

sure goes to show ya what a great teacher you are.

if you aren't a lefty, don't print left wing ####### - its simple. Oh, and you are welcome

[HAL 9000 96]

What I found disturbing is while 81% polled do not favour torture, that means that 19% do. So nearly 1/5th of the population believe that torture is acceptable? Now, that is frightening.

Indeed....

There are many many instances where torture is necessary to ensure the safety and security of all. There are people out there who would see entire west nations wiped out simply because of differing religious beliefs and being complete nutjobs of course. What would you like to do with terrorists for example? Send them a strongly worded letter perhaps?

Torture is one of those issues I'm kinda ambivalant towards. While I can see in some instances where it would be effective, we are a civilized nation in the 20th century. Aren't we evolved enough as a civilization that we don't necessarily have to resort to 400AD tactics? This is one of those things where you have to go to the source. Why do these people want to see the entire West wiped out? I can assure you, contrary to Limbaugh and Savage, it's not because our "freedom" or "religion". It's because of our foreign policy and meddling with other sovereign countries. (Look at Iran, Afghanistan, and Palestine in particular)

We can continue trying to develop countries to be subservient toward US policies, but we must accept the fact that intevening in foreign affairs will earn us enemies.

Oh another genius pipes up....

Angry tonight, eh?

Not angry, just trying to educate the left wing masses who continue to post here. Gosh its tiresome sometimes though.

Didn't know Matt was part of the left wing mass that posted here. way to go trooper.

sure goes to show ya what a great teacher you are.

if you aren't a lefty, don't print left wing ####### - its simple. Oh, and you are welcome

Yeah... lets be retrogadist, uncivilized brutes.

But wait... is that even part of the right wing ideology? Don't think so...

[mRx 16]

What I found disturbing is while 81% polled do not favour torture, that means that 19% do. So nearly 1/5th of the population believe that torture is acceptable? Now, that is frightening.

Indeed....

There are many many instances where torture is necessary to ensure the safety and security of all. There are people out there who would see entire west nations wiped out simply because of differing religious beliefs and being complete nutjobs of course. What would you like to do with terrorists for example? Send them a strongly worded letter perhaps?

Torture is one of those issues I'm kinda ambivalant towards. While I can see in some instances where it would be effective, we are a civilized nation in the 20th century. Aren't we evolved enough as a civilization that we don't necessarily have to resort to 400AD tactics? This is one of those things where you have to go to the source. Why do these people want to see the entire West wiped out? I can assure you, contrary to Limbaugh and Savage, it's not because our "freedom" or "religion". It's because of our foreign policy and meddling with other sovereign countries. (Look at Iran, Afghanistan, and Palestine in particular)

We can continue trying to develop countries to be subservient toward US policies, but we must accept the fact that intevening in foreign affairs will earn us enemies.

Indeed.

Give an example of a country who is subservient to US policies? The USA rebuilt Germany and Japan after they were destroyed. Would the Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at President Bush still draw breath had the target of those shoes been Saddam Hussein during his regime? In which city would a Chinese mother face harsher penalties for giving birth to an "unauthorized" child, Boston or Beijing? You have a childish, irresponsible world view where the good guys are bad and the bad guys are good. I am weary of this constant, idiotic, left wing assault on the most free, the most prosperous democracy to ever exist. Be very glad you are sitting at your computer able to freely type whatever you please, as opposed to a terminal in Saudi Arabia where you would be beheaded for simply having a copy of the New Testament in your possession.

Wow, where do I start with you.

Firstly, you want an example of why a country could possibly dislike us? Look at Afghanistan. The CIA trained the mujahideen who are now the Taliban to fight off the Soviets in the 80's. We didn't want the oil to be controlled by the Ruskies. We destroyed that country. Iran, we facilited the ousting of the democratically elected leader Mossadegh, who nationalized their oil supply to protect it from Western oil company exploitation, in favor of the pro-Western, pro-big business Shaw. I can keep going... I don't know what your partisan talking-heads are pumping you full of... You really don't get it. It's all about the money. It's not about helping oppressed countries, it's about big business lobbyists convincing government crooks to let them exploit a country. You like examples, so look at United Fruit Co. They didn't like the democratically elected Arbenz Guzman of Guatamala, who expropriated the land that UFCO was exploiting, and gave it back to the people. So we overthrew him. I know this is not a country we are at war with, but it's a prime example of our corporate influenced policies.

And I am not a liberal... #######? I agree with the good points on each side, but mostly I think you both sides are underlyingly promoting the same thing, big government. You just disagree on methods and tactics. That's all.

What happened to the GOP? You guys transformed from a platform of small government and fiscal management, to a war happy, huge defecit, and ever-expanding government. You guys really went down the crapper.

And I am actually sitting on a computer in the Middle East, how funny you should mention that.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What I found disturbing is while 81% polled do not favour torture, that means that 19% do. So nearly 1/5th of the population believe that torture is acceptable? Now, that is frightening.

Indeed....

There are many many instances where torture is necessary to ensure the safety and security of all. There are people out there who would see entire west nations wiped out simply because of differing religious beliefs and being complete nutjobs of course. What would you like to do with terrorists for example? Send them a strongly worded letter perhaps?

Torture is one of those issues I'm kinda ambivalant towards. While I can see in some instances where it would be effective, we are a civilized nation in the 20th century. Aren't we evolved enough as a civilization that we don't necessarily have to resort to 400AD tactics? This is one of those things where you have to go to the source. Why do these people want to see the entire West wiped out? I can assure you, contrary to Limbaugh and Savage, it's not because our "freedom" or "religion". It's because of our foreign policy and meddling with other sovereign countries. (Look at Iran, Afghanistan, and Palestine in particular)

We can continue trying to develop countries to be subservient toward US policies, but we must accept the fact that intevening in foreign affairs will earn us enemies.

Indeed.

Give an example of a country who is subservient to US policies? The USA rebuilt Germany and Japan after they were destroyed. Would the Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at President Bush still draw breath had the target of those shoes been Saddam Hussein during his regime? In which city would a Chinese mother face harsher penalties for giving birth to an "unauthorized" child, Boston or Beijing? You have a childish, irresponsible world view where the good guys are bad and the bad guys are good. I am weary of this constant, idiotic, left wing assault on the most free, the most prosperous democracy to ever exist. Be very glad you are sitting at your computer able to freely type whatever you please, as opposed to a terminal in Saudi Arabia where you would be beheaded for simply having a copy of the New Testament in your possession.

Personally - I think its rather childish to divide the world up into "good guys" and "bad guys". The world we live in isn't John Wayne's wild west. The heroes don't wear white hats, and the villains don't sit in high back chairs stroking white cats, twiddling their moustaches and laughing maniacally.

It has nothing to do with being left-wing (as it goes I'm still unclear what you mean by that term - as you simply seem to apply it to pretty much anything you don't like, rather than things that actually seem to have a political bias).

As to countries that are subservient to US policies... What about South Korea (plenty of political activism out there against US policies). Iraq too.

Yep the shoe thrower probably wouldn't have done that to Saddam. So what... In "freeing" that country wasn't the thinking that the Iraqi people would actually have some freedoms - including that of free speech? Does that mean that every Iraqi should be queuing up to kiss Bush's feet?

Does it ####...

[mRx 16]

• Repair and rebuild neglected bridges, railroads, schools, and other infrastructure, designing for climate change & a post-petroleum world.
• Extend unemployment insurance benefits.
• Provide tax relief to middle- and low-income families, and reinstate fair taxes on high-wealth individuals and corporate profits.
• Adopt the Employee Free Choice Act to increase opportunities to unionize.

67% Favor public works projects to create jobs.

55% Favor expanding unemployment benefits.

73% Say corporations don't pay a fair share of taxes.

76% Support tax cuts for lower- and middle-income people.

71% Say unions help their members; 53% say unions help the economy in general.

I don't why this public works project Obama has planned is so glamorized. It's not going to create anything. We, the people, create everything. Government cannot get money anywhere but from us. Whether it be overt (taxation) or covert (inflationary money creation).

So all that is really happening with this infrastructure scheme is jobs and wealth are being forced from the private sector to the public sector. We can not gain wealth through intervention and coercion. It can only be transferred and reallocated.

Matt, there are still facilities being used, bridges being crossed and roads being driven over that were built after the Great Depression by workers on the WPA.

A nation needs an infrastructure to be called a nation. If the next administration were indicating they were going to make it easier to simply sit around on your ####### and draw a welfare check, I could understand the outcry. But putting people to work to build things we need is far from not 'creating' anything.

Historically what the WPA did was put people to work on infrastructure projects UNTIL there were private sector jobs created. I could say that some folks are glamorizing the free markets if I wanted to apply the same logic you seem to be applying. The fact of the matter is that new private sector business and jobs won't happen overnight, no matter how powerfully one wants to believe in American 'capitalism' (a term I think is rather loose myself).

But the same logic simply cannot be applied to the free market. I'm not really sure what you mean by that anyways, Becca.

But, the New Deal actually made the depression longer than it would have been with the free market. Pumping more money into the economy doesn't increase wealth, just as paying someone to dig a hole doesn't create a more prosperous economy. (If you're interested, check out The Broken Window Fallacy, . which is a work created by renouned 18th century French economist Frédéric Bastiat, and clearly explained by economist Henry Hazlitt.)

Your right. Didn't work then. Try it now it will be even worse.

Exactly, if we continue to spend our way deeper into recession, it will be much harder to pull ourselves out. We are no longer a producing nation, no longer can fall back on a gold standard, and are no longer a country with any savings. We would be economically conquered by industrial production countries, like China. Once our dollar has finally finished it's short, inflated life, it will be rendered useless, and the equity of America will be up on the auction block to be bid on by more economically wise countries.