Bush Forced Me To Have An Abortion

[PsychoKat 0]

I don't necessarily think it is blaming they are doing. It is that they do not want to accept the consequences of their actions. Like you put it, they know they are having sex. Sex makes babies. Use protection and it helps, but you still can get preggers. I always works out in the end

I don't agree with the concept they did not want to accept the consequences of their actions. They were trying to take responsibility for their actions.

The implications in your statement seems to indicate that the only way of doing so would be to carry through with a pregnancy. I take issue with that idea, but this isn't the first time I've seen it brought up, I've seen young people faced with an unexpected pregnancy told that they should just take responsibility for their actions and face the consequences also.

IMHO, taking responsibility for a mistake and suffering the consequences are fine in cases such as, say, not turning in paper work on time for something, not paying your bills, getting in a car accident because you weren't paying attention. The point of that is to teach you a lesson, so next time you do better.

When you apply this to an unwanted pregnancy, then you're not just forcing the woman to suffer the consequences, you are forcing the child to suffer the life of an unwanted child. If someone were to follow that advice, who was not prepared to deal with a child, emotionally, financially etc, it is not unlikely that child would end up either abused, or hungry and neglected.

Do you really think that damning a child to that fate is better than taking something like Plan B that might have prevented the pregnancy from happening in the first place?

If by some chance the ovum was fertilized within that 72 hour period required for Plan B, what would exist of a possible pregnancy would be a hollow ball of around 100 - 500 cells carrying DNA, no nerves, no brain, etc., pain is a function of the brain and nervous system, so no pain. Until implanted and receiving a blood flow and nourishment from the mothers body it is not an embryo or viable for existance. Based on fertilization time frames the possibility of that happening is significantly smaller than simply preventing the fertilization. A child though, brought into the world unwanted can feel pain and hunger and heartache, which can go on for years or life.

In my opinion, it would be more responsible to take Plan B than impose that level of suffering, pain and damage, on an innocent.

[pax 0]

Actually, I don't know. Maybe they do. But still, in the end whether you're conceiving naturally or having IVF or IUI, it's still up to God whether or not that embryo is going to develop into a fetus or be miscarried.

Fair enough, and thanks for the reply.

I have always thought that the "messing with God's plan" argument was a weak one, as it's an incredibly slippery slope. The argument can be made that just about anything you do to change your own situation messes with God's plan, so to speak.

And FTR, I'm not actually opposed to fertility treatments. I don't always understand why people seek them, but it's a personal choice for couples faced with the situation, and I would no more question why a couple pursued fertility treatments than I would question why a couple or a woman opted to have an abortion. But it is two sides of the same coin to me.

Edited June 7, 2006 by pax

[Kajikit 65]

It's not an ABORTION pill - that's why it has to be taken so quickly... if it caused an abortion it wouldn't matter when you took it because it would still work. It PREVENTS the pregnancy from happening, it doesn't end it if the egg has already made it into place to grow.

And as a form of emergency birth control that has to be taken so quickly, it's ridiculous that they've made it so hard to get... if you had sex on saturday morning, by the time the doctor's office opened on monday morning you'd be 48 hours out, and if your doctor was like most where you have to make an appointment three days in advance congratulations, you'd be having a baby!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What if she had used birth control and gotten pregnant. She would be in the same bind.

Are people really that irresponsible and stupid that they don't know there's a chance they could get pregnant if they have sex?? NO birth control method is 100% effective except abstinence. I'm so sick of people blaming anyone they can for THEIR problems that THEY created!

Fair enough. So you don't think then that there is a problem with the increasingly restricted availability of the morning after pill?

[almaty 19]

What if she had used birth control and gotten pregnant. She would be in the same bind.

Are people really that irresponsible and stupid that they don't know there's a chance they could get pregnant if they have sex?? NO birth control method is 100% effective except abstinence. I'm so sick of people blaming anyone they can for THEIR problems that THEY created!

Fair enough. So you don't think then that there is a problem with the increasingly restricted availability of the morning after pill?

and their problem becomes ours ...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What if she had used birth control and gotten pregnant. She would be in the same bind.

Are people really that irresponsible and stupid that they don't know there's a chance they could get pregnant if they have sex?? NO birth control method is 100% effective except abstinence. I'm so sick of people blaming anyone they can for THEIR problems that THEY created!

Fair enough. So you don't think then that there is a problem with the increasingly restricted availability of the morning after pill?

and their problem becomes ours ...

I think the part of the article Rush seized on is really irrelevant. There's half a hundred reasons why a woman could end up needing the morning after pill, but you could still find yourself in the ###### when you try to obtain it from the doctor.

The issue is the accessibility women have to the pill vs. going through a painful and unncecessarily surgical procedure. Her choice of phrasing in blaming the Bush governnment is really beside the point.

[samir_shannon 0]

OMG MY BLOOD IS BOILING....CANT SAY ANTHING ELSE .. JUST WHAT A NONCE

[incanada1234 0]

What's your problem? Why are you angry in every post?

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

What's your problem? Why are you angry in every post?

[incanada1234 0]

Do they have Midol for men?

[Ladylethal 12]

The only way I could remotely agree with the situation is the fact that medication is US is too hard to get. You need a prescription for EVERYTHING, even drugs I get for a flu without any prescription here in Brasil.

In Brasil if I want a "next day pill" I can buy one at any drugstore without even giving my name or anything. It's a form of contraceptive and in no way it needs any form of prescription.