TX to Mark Non-USC Driver's licenses

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This has zero to do with racism. What is does have to do with is the millions of people that decide to overstay and become illegal aliens. It just ties driving privileges to the privilege of a visa or residency. Illegal aliens should not be given driving privileges.

People that obey the law have no reason to worry. Legal residents have nothing to worry about. They can b*tch about it, but they have nothing to worry about unless they decide to overstay.

Food for thought . Fine!!.......don't give them driving privileges. But they have cash to buy cars. They are next to us right now on the highways. Because we refused to issue them with DLs, they cannot buy Motor Vehicle Insurance. So we.......the citizens are unsafe all the time on the highways.

Texas is full of them. IMO 5 out of 10 times (maybe/maybe not) half the accidents out here are caused by Untested/Unlicensed/Uninsured drivers.

Just because a population breaks whatever laws aren't convenient for them to comply with we should just roll over and cater to them?

I like plan "B" better. Illegal alien is in the USA illegally, working illegally, driving illegally, and breaking whatever law doesn't suit them. How about arrest, detain, and deport the scofflaws? Do we really want to incentivize chronic lawbreakers? I don't.

How do you get from marking the licenses of LPR to arguing against giving driving privileges to illegal aliens?

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This has zero to do with racism. What is does have to do with is the millions of people that decide to overstay and become illegal aliens. It just ties driving privileges to the privilege of a visa or residency. Illegal aliens should not be given driving privileges.

People that obey the law have no reason to worry. Legal residents have nothing to worry about. They can b*tch about it, but they have nothing to worry about unless they decide to overstay.

Food for thought . Fine!!.......don't give them driving privileges. But they have cash to buy cars. They are next to us right now on the highways. Because we refused to issue them with DLs, they cannot buy Motor Vehicle Insurance. So we.......the citizens are unsafe all the time on the highways.

Texas is full of them. IMO 5 out of 10 times (maybe/maybe not) half the accidents out here are caused by Untested/Unlicensed/Uninsured drivers.

Just because a population breaks whatever laws aren't convenient for them to comply with we should just roll over and cater to them?

I like plan "B" better. Illegal alien is in the USA illegally, working illegally, driving illegally, and breaking whatever law doesn't suit them. How about arrest, detain, and deport the scofflaws? Do we really want to incentivize chronic lawbreakers? I don't.

How do you get from marking the licenses of LPR to arguing against giving driving privileges to illegal aliens?

If you have kept up with this story from other sources, that is the root cause of this action. Visa overstayers = illegal alien

'Visitor' driver's licenses assailed

But Perry says new DPS rules for non-citizens increase security

By JANET ELLIOTT

2008 Houston Chronicle Austin Bureau

AUSTIN — Edwin Palacio arrived in the U.S. from the Philippines in 1993 and was granted political asylum two years later.

Since then he has worked for computer companies and received security clearances to audit private and government information systems. But the 54-year-old Austin resident is now identified as a "temporary visitor" on his new Texas driver's license, which he worries will hamper him and his wife in getting a home mortgage.

Palacio joined a group of lawmakers and civil rights advocates Tuesday in calling on the governing board of the Texas Department of Public Safety to rescind the new policy requiring noncitizens to renew their licenses annually and provide documentation that they are in the country legally.

Critics said the policy is having unintended consequences on people who are legal immigrants like Palacio and on some longtime citizens who lack birth certificates or passports.

Palacio and his wife canceled a vacation to South Padre Island recently out of fear that his license, printed on a vertical format unlike the horizontal licenses issued to most Texas drivers, could prompt delays or detention at federal immigration checkpoints.

"The rules have created insecurity, confusion instead of clarity, fear instead of faith in the government, foes instead of friends, life-threatening risks instead of public safety and suspicion instead of trust," Palacio said at a news conference in the Texas Capitol.

Gov. Rick Perry said in a written statement that the rules are needed for public safety and national security.

"Requiring driver license applicants to prove they are in the country legally before issuing them a license is a prudent course of action that most states already follow," Perry said, adding that most Mexican states and Canadian provinces require foreign nationals to prove their legal immigration status to obtain a driver's license.

He said a federal investigation last year discovered a Dallas man who obtained six-year Texas driver's licenses for nearly 400 foreign nationals whose visas had expired — preventing them from getting licenses in New York and New Jersey, where they lived.

Several opposed to the change noted that driver's licenses are used for more than driving, and serve as identification when someone writes a check at a grocery store or applies for a bank loan. "Creating a new type of driver's license based on a person's immigration status invites discrimination," said Rep. Lon Burnam, D-Fort Worth.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6156579.html

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If you have kept up with this story from other sources, that is the root cause of this action. Visa overstayers = illegal alien

I understand that part, I thought that's why we have license renewals. This can even be taken care of with a license suspension or revocation. Law enforcement has access to that information from their vehicles. They will find out fairly quickly that the license has been suspended or revoked.

If you're worried about illegals getting home mortgages with just a drivers license, well you should probably direct your energy at the banks. Those lenient lending practices are what started this economic mess.

My concern is that this like having to wear a scarlet. Why should a LPR have to carry a license that is branded with "temporary visitor"? Every definition I can think of states they are neither temporary or a visitor. They are a Legal Permanent Resident. This brands them to be the opposite of what they really are. Isn't that illogical? Why punish all the law abiding people to enforce the law? Why not improve the law enforcement mechanism and ability?

By what logic do you beleive a Legal Permanent Resident should be branded a "temporary visitor"?

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One of the worst ironies of this is that TX DPS already has a way (and unfortunately, anyone else reading the licence may be able to deduce it) of determining the holder's immigration status--combination of the expiry date and issue date, as holders of temp work/dependant visas are issued DL's which expire on the visa's expiry date.

(reiterate: gummint types, so they need to take messy rather than simple "solutions")

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If you have kept up with this story from other sources, that is the root cause of this action. Visa overstayers = illegal alien

I understand that part, I thought that's why we have license renewals. This can even be taken care of with a license suspension or revocation. Law enforcement has access to that information from their vehicles. They will find out fairly quickly that the license has been suspended or revoked.

If you're worried about illegals getting home mortgages with just a drivers license, well you should probably direct your energy at the banks. Those lenient lending practices are what started this economic mess.

My concern is that this like having to wear a scarlet. Why should a LPR have to carry a license that is branded with "temporary visitor"? Every definition I can think of states they are neither temporary or a visitor. They are a Legal Permanent Resident. This brands them to be the opposite of what they really are. Isn't that illogical? Why punish all the law abiding people to enforce the law? Why not improve the law enforcement mechanism and ability?

By what logic do you beleive a Legal Permanent Resident should be branded a "temporary visitor"?

That's the reason why I'm becoming a USC as soon as I can, to bug the ####### out of my senator (state and federal), and representatives (state and federal) and complain about this idiotic kind of reasoning. Instead of worrying about the stupid driver licenses, they should be worried about economizing and minimizing their budget, they spend too much on stupid stuff, look at CA with their 41 billion deficit.

But hey! we are talking about my dear home state, "W" started his political career here didn't he?

Edited December 12, 2008 by TävôLuDô

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That word: "alien".

It is antiquated and should be abolished.

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One of the worst ironies of this is that TX DPS already has a way (and unfortunately, anyone else reading the licence may be able to deduce it) of determining the holder's immigration status--combination of the expiry date and issue date, as holders of temp work/dependant visas are issued DL's which expire on the visa's expiry date.

(reiterate: gummint types, so they need to take messy rather than simple "solutions")

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