"a consular officers perspective"

[Simply_Uno 1]

both of these articles detail the various marital arrangements that a CO encounters while reviewing marriage based petitions.

in the second link, he goes into further explanation of these marriage scenarios and also gives his recommendations as to how to thwart/deter marriage fraud.

1) A new report reveals previously deported criminals and terrorists who want to enter or remain in the U.S. sometimes do so by finding an American to marry. The Center for Immigration Studies reported the most common path to U.S. citizenship or residency for foreign nationals is by marrying an American. More than 2.3 million people entered the U.S. between 1998 and 2007 this way.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82584

2) Are Americans the most beautiful, charming, and seductive people on the planet or are we in demand as marriage partners by those in the developing world in part because marrying a U.S. citizen is the quickest and easiest path toward becoming an American lawful permanent resident (LPR, also called having a "green card")?

http://cis.org/marriagefraud

[chispas 0]

This study was well written Uno. It was the facts nothing but the facts across a broad spectrum experiences. It also put me at ease and answered a few questions I had about how the USCIS functions and why the process is set up this way. Although its inefficient, I understand that the law is the law and this entity just follows the law. Thanks for posting it. T

[Enlighten one :) 5]

Thanks UNO,

I found this statement interesting:

The decision-making authority for green card applications lies with USCIS officials who rely almost exclusively on documents, records, and photographs, with little opportunity for interviews or investigations. Consular officers reviewing cases overseas do live interviews and can initiate local investigations, but may only approve petitions, not deny them.

both of these articles detail the various marital arrangements that a CO encounters while reviewing marriage based petitions.

in the second link, he goes into further explanation of these marriage scenarios and also gives his recommendations as to how to thwart/deter marriage fraud. <a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82584" target="_blank">

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1) A new report reveals previously deported criminals and terrorists who want to enter or remain in the U.S. sometimes do so by finding an American to marry. The Center for Immigration Studies reported the most common path to U.S. citizenship or residency for foreign nationals is by marrying an American. More than 2.3 million people entered the U.S. between 1998 and 2007 this way.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82584

2) Are Americans the most beautiful, charming, and seductive people on the planet or are we in demand as marriage partners by those in the developing world in part because marrying a U.S. citizen is the quickest and easiest path toward becoming an American lawful permanent resident (LPR, also called having a "green card")?

http://cis.org/marriagefraud

[Ta Ta 1]

CO's have the liberty to return petitions to the USCIS where they will go into the black hole.......and eventually die. They can recommend to revoke so the case will be denied by USCIS. They can use new evidence not previously known to convince the USCIS to deny the case.

Once returned to USCIS it is pretty much a hopeless case.

In a few instances a successful outcome is possible but CO's carry a lot of power to influence the USCIS to deny.

[Ta Ta 1]

There are those who have been defrauded who doubtlessly want to have stricter rules and regulations and there are those of us who are legit in their relationships and suffer needlessly because of fraudulent activities of others gone before us. To the embassy we are guilty until proven innocent. Especially with African beneficiaries. I can tell you personally that the immigration process from Europe was so much easier.

In the end it is our choice and judgment who we allow into our lives. No one can protect us like we can ourselves. Sometimes we don't see it and sometimes we do. Sometimes we think it won't happen to us but it does. Often we ignore red flags. Often the cons are very good at defrauding.

I am of the opinion that we must be responsible and accountable with our choices for a mate, be it an American or foreign National.

No agency really has the resources to catch every beneficiary who has other motives.

The outlined recommendations for change in the immigration process can help but I hope they will also shorten AP of bona fide relationships.

No change will occur unless new laws are written to combat frauds more severely.

[Simply_Uno 1]

CO's have the liberty to return petitions to the USCIS where they will go into the black hole

.......and eventually die.

They can recommend to revoke so the case will be denied by USCIS.

They can use new evidence not previously known to convince the USCIS to deny the case.

Once returned to USCIS it is pretty much a hopeless case.

In a few instances a successful outcome is possible but

CO's carry a lot of power to influence the USCIS to deny.

to chispas and mrs. jibowu you are welcome.

I only posted this article for informations sake. I am not all that well versed in immigration but I do command a basic comprehension of what I read...so here goes. according to the article:

"Further complicating matters, the State Department has, on numerous occasions, warned consular officers in the field against re-adjudicating petitions that USCIS has already approved. This directive more or less absolves from guilt consular officers who choose not to spend their time investigating suspicious cases. I worked for and with several officers who believed that there was no use in worrying about petitions that USCIS had already approved because battling with USCIS wasn’t worth the time or effort. Fortunately, some consular officers are willing to investigate suspect cases, recognizing that USCIS staff in the United States are overwhelmed, understaffed, and under pressure to give petitions a rubber-stamp approval."

and then there is:

"but consular officers frequently have a difficult time convincing their USCIS counterparts to deny suspect petitions and requests for waivers of visa ineligibilities."

and this...

"Consular officers, particularly in developing countries where residents are desperate to “get out of Dodge,†frequently interview cross-cultural couples who appear to be grossly mismatched, but cannot deny the petitions of Americans who do not know that they are being used for a visa, which makes this type of one-sided marriage fraud nearly impossible to stop."

and not to mention this:

"One of the most frustrating aspects of the fight against marriage fraud from the perspective of consular officers is that USCIS often disregards an interviewing officer’s recommendations for the revocation of approved petitions, a denial of pending petitions, or a request for denial of hardship waivers for applicants who are ineligible to return to the United States because of immigration violations or criminal convictions. The consular officers, who actually interview applicants and sometimes American sponsors as well, have no authority to deny or revoke a marriage-based petition that they believe to be fraudulent. Interviewing officers can only document the case and forward it on to USCIS, where the deciding official generally never meets either spouse."

Edited December 5, 2008 by UNO...

[Ta Ta 1]

Nice article but for those stuck as bona fide couples and whom the CO deemed as not bona fide, lets say for lack of sufficient emails etc. and not even looking at the relationship proof brought to the interview, for those couples being returned to USCIS the journey is over. I do not care what this article says, just read the reality in the returned petition forum and see for yourself the extremely low percentage that ever makes it through after their cases have been returned to USCIS.

Most have to start over again. There are countless members here on VJ who had to do just that due to a returned petition. Evidence was never looked at by the CO. Look in mena and asian forums. Morrocco, Pakistan, Vietnam, all high fraud posts but with many bona fides get thrown out into the same abyss by a CO who lacks good judgment. Why ? Because they can !

Rules and articles say one thing but reality says quiet another. Underlined and in red and all, does not matter. Petitions get revoked by recommendation of CO's many times especially and rightfully so with new evidence. The key here is with beneficiaries still in their home countries and NOT here already.

New evidence definitely comes into play while the beneficiary is still oversees. CO's definitely play a large role in recommending revocation

successfully. I fully comprehend what this article is saying but I also comprehend the reality of bona fide couples in the black hole.

For some reason, frauds who made it through still get through AOS and ROC all the way to USC. That needs to change. Once exposed as a fraud with evidence the beneficiary needs to be checked very closely and not be awarded with a 10 year green card. But they go through the system with ease once here.

The author shed perspective about fraud ring petitions who fell through the cracks and made it.

In the end a lot of bona fides never come out of the black hole. That is the reality. But frauds who snug through still are making it in this country right now.

Put this in OT and get more responses and you will see what I mean.

Of course I agree that fraud potential has to be tightened but for Pete's sake implement an avenue to also protect the bona fide couple from being swept up into the black hole along with the frauds and cons.

I hope you will comprehend my point. In a nutshell USCIS needs to go after the frauds and protect the bona fides from the same black hole of returned petitions.

I don't know what your bone of contention is. You believe according to the article CO's carry no weight to successfully recommend to revoke petitions oversees and I beg to differ. Attorneys work feverishly to inform the USCIS about returned petitions and the rights of petitioners. USCIS ignores that fact and petitioners wait years to hear about a final judgment after they get returned. Guess what ?

The USCIS acknowledges the CO's " questionable hunches " and the petition dies. Often unfounded and with bona fide couples and that is what I have a problem with.

[Enlighten one :) 5]

Those all strike me as interesting too.

As much as this site can help you ..it can also hurt you by knowing the negative of the process too. My husband thought his interview went great until he spoke with me.

I trusted the AP process. And was disappointed but pull up my boot straps and kept going.

I found the examples of fraud interesting also.

CO's have the liberty to return petitions to the USCIS where they will go into the black hole

.......and eventually die.

They can recommend to revoke so the case will be denied by USCIS.

They can use new evidence not previously known to convince the USCIS to deny the case.

Once returned to USCIS it is pretty much a hopeless case.

In a few instances a successful outcome is possible but

CO's carry a lot of power to influence the USCIS to deny.

to chispas and mrs. jibowu you are welcome.

I only posted this article for informations sake. I am not all that well versed in immigration but I do command a basic comprehension of what I read...so here goes. according to the article:

"Further complicating matters, the State Department has, on numerous occasions, warned consular officers in the field against re-adjudicating petitions that USCIS has already approved. This directive more or less absolves from guilt consular officers who choose not to spend their time investigating suspicious cases. I worked for and with several officers who believed that there was no use in worrying about petitions that USCIS had already approved because battling with USCIS wasn’t worth the time or effort. Fortunately, some consular officers are willing to investigate suspect cases, recognizing that USCIS staff in the United States are overwhelmed, understaffed, and under pressure to give petitions a rubber-stamp approval."

and then there is:

"but consular officers frequently have a difficult time convincing their USCIS counterparts to deny suspect petitions and requests for waivers of visa ineligibilities."

and this...

"Consular officers, particularly in developing countries where residents are desperate to “get out of Dodge,†frequently interview cross-cultural couples who appear to be grossly mismatched, but cannot deny the petitions of Americans who do not know that they are being used for a visa, which makes this type of one-sided marriage fraud nearly impossible to stop."

and not to mention this:

"One of the most frustrating aspects of the fight against marriage fraud from the perspective of consular officers is that USCIS often disregards an interviewing officer’s recommendations for the revocation of approved petitions, a denial of pending petitions, or a request for denial of hardship waivers for applicants who are ineligible to return to the United States because of immigration violations or criminal convictions. The consular officers, who actually interview applicants and sometimes American sponsors as well, have no authority to deny or revoke a marriage-based petition that they believe to be fraudulent. Interviewing officers can only document the case and forward it on to USCIS, where the deciding official generally never meets either spouse."

[Ta Ta 1]

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2687

Extensive thread from VJ members who had returned petitions and USCIS did in fact REGARD and acknowledge the BS of CO's and bona fide couples were denied.

Too bad it happened to genuine couples and not the frauds who now enjoy a green card having scammed USC. The system is flawed.

Again that perspective is my point !

You can't argue with reality from members here who had it happen. The good ones get thrown out " on recommendation of Co's" every day.

[Simply_Uno 1]

Nice article but for those stuck as bona fide couples and whom the CO deemed as not bona fide, lets say for lack of sufficient emails etc. and not even looking at the relationship proof brought to the interview, for those couples being returned to USCIS the journey is over. I do not care what this article says, just read the reality in the returned petition forum and see for yourself the extremely low percentage that ever makes it through after their cases have been returned to USCIS.

Most have to start over again. There are countless members here on VJ who had to do just that due to a returned petition. Evidence was never looked at by the CO. Look in mena and asian forums. Morrocco, Pakistan, Vietnam, all high fraud posts but with many bona fides get thrown out into the same abyss by a CO who lacks good judgment. Why ? Because they can !

Rules and articles say one thing but reality says quiet another. Underlined and in red and all, does not matter. Petitions get revoked by recommendation of CO's many times especially and rightfully so with new evidence. The key here is with beneficiaries still in their home countries and NOT here already.

New evidence definitely comes into play while the beneficiary is still oversees. CO's definitely play a large role in recommending revocation

successfully. I fully comprehend what this article is saying but I also comprehend the reality of bona fide couples in the black hole.

For some reason, frauds who made it through still get through AOS and ROC all the way to USC. That needs to change. Once exposed as a fraud with evidence the beneficiary needs to be checked very closely and not be awarded with a 10 year green card. But they go through the system with ease once here.

The author shed perspective about fraud ring petitions who fell through the cracks and made it.

In the end a lot of bona fides never come out of the black hole. That is the reality. But frauds who snug through still are making it in this country right now.

Put this in OT and get more responses and you will see what I mean.

Of course I agree that fraud potential has to be tightened but for Pete's sake implement an avenue to also protect the bona fide couple from being swept up into the black hole along with the frauds and cons.

I hope you will comprehend my point. In a nutshell USCIS needs to go after the frauds and protect the bona fides from the same black hole of returned petitions.

I don't know what your bone of contention is.

My bone of contention is this

"I only posted this article for informations sake."

You believe according to the article CO's carry no weight to successfully recommend to revoke petitions oversees and I beg to differ. Attorneys work feverishly to inform the USCIS about returned petitions and the rights of petitioners. USCIS ignores that fact and petitioners wait years to hear about a final judgment after they get returned. Guess what ?

The USCIS acknowledges the CO's " questionable hunches " and the petition dies. Often unfounded and with bona fide couples and that is what I have a problem with.

I never stated that he was 100% on the mark with his statements/observations, but he does have an insider view on the situation. I just highlighted what was in the article that was contradictory to what you stated. And for the record, whatever is the basis for your hostility, do not take it out on me for I am not the source of your woes. The truth is what the truth is and argue as you may, it don't change the facts; whatever the facts maybe respective to each others own personal situation.

And again, I posted this for informations sake , take from it what you will and leave the rest.

Smooches

UNO

[Simply_Uno 1]

Nice article but for those stuck as bona fide couples and whom the CO deemed as not bona fide, lets say for lack of sufficient emails etc. and not even looking at the relationship proof brought to the interview, for those couples being returned to USCIS the journey is over. I do not care what this article says, just read the reality in the returned petition forum and see for yourself the extremely low percentage that ever makes it through after their cases have been returned to USCIS.

Most have to start over again. There are countless members here on VJ who had to do just that due to a returned petition. Evidence was never looked at by the CO. Look in mena and asian forums. Morrocco, Pakistan, Vietnam, all high fraud posts but with many bona fides get thrown out into the same abyss by a CO who lacks good judgment. Why ? Because they can !

Rules and articles say one thing but reality says quiet another. Underlined and in red and all, does not matter. Petitions get revoked by recommendation of CO's many times especially and rightfully so with new evidence. The key here is with beneficiaries still in their home countries and NOT here already.

New evidence definitely comes into play while the beneficiary is still oversees. CO's definitely play a large role in recommending revocation

successfully. I fully comprehend what this article is saying but I also comprehend the reality of bona fide couples in the black hole.

For some reason, frauds who made it through still get through AOS and ROC all the way to USC. That needs to change. Once exposed as a fraud with evidence the beneficiary needs to be checked very closely and not be awarded with a 10 year green card. But they go through the system with ease once here.

The author shed perspective about fraud ring petitions who fell through the cracks and made it.

In the end a lot of bona fides never come out of the black hole. That is the reality. But frauds who snug through still are making it in this country right now.

Put this in OT and get more responses and you will see what I mean.

{No, I am not putting this in OT, if a MOD wants to move it or deem in necessary to move, then that is their right. And personally, I don't care about the amount of responses I get for this post. I don't do anything to appease anyone, except myself. And no, I don't necessarily SEE what you mean; due to I was blessed enough to be given insight into what could have become a potentially perilous situation and God Blocked It! And again, I posted it for the sake of some people gathering information and understanding about a tedious process. Not to gain brownie points.}

Of course I agree that fraud potential has to be tightened but for Pete's sake implement an avenue to also protect the bona fide couple from being swept up into the black hole along with the frauds and cons.

I hope you will comprehend my point.

{Don't question my comprehension and I wont question yours.}

In a nutshell USCIS needs to go after the frauds and protect the bona fides from the same black hole of returned petitions. {The writer of the article made suggestions to address this issue, but he is only one person and can not do it alone}

I don't know what your bone of contention is. You believe according to the article CO's carry no weight to successfully recommend to revoke petitions oversees and I beg to differ. Attorneys work feverishly to inform the USCIS about returned petitions and the rights of petitioners. USCIS ignores that fact and petitioners wait years to hear about a final judgment after they get returned. Guess what ?

The USCIS acknowledges the CO's " questionable hunches " and the petition dies. Often unfounded and with bona fide couples and that is what I have a problem with.

Smooches

Edited December 6, 2008 by UNO...

[Ta Ta 1]

Nice article but for those stuck as bona fide couples and whom the CO deemed as not bona fide, lets say for lack of sufficient emails etc. and not even looking at the relationship proof brought to the interview, for those couples being returned to USCIS the journey is over. I do not care what this article says, just read the reality in the returned petition forum and see for yourself the extremely low percentage that ever makes it through after their cases have been returned to USCIS.

Most have to start over again. There are countless members here on VJ who had to do just that due to a returned petition. Evidence was never looked at by the CO. Look in mena and asian forums. Morrocco, Pakistan, Vietnam, all high fraud posts but with many bona fides get thrown out into the same abyss by a CO who lacks good judgment. Why ? Because they can !

Rules and articles say one thing but reality says quiet another. Underlined and in red and all, does not matter. Petitions get revoked by recommendation of CO's many times especially and rightfully so with new evidence. The key here is with beneficiaries still in their home countries and NOT here already.

New evidence definitely comes into play while the beneficiary is still oversees. CO's definitely play a large role in recommending revocation

successfully. I fully comprehend what this article is saying but I also comprehend the reality of bona fide couples in the black hole.

For some reason, frauds who made it through still get through AOS and ROC all the way to USC. That needs to change. Once exposed as a fraud with evidence the beneficiary needs to be checked very closely and not be awarded with a 10 year green card. But they go through the system with ease once here.

The author shed perspective about fraud ring petitions who fell through the cracks and made it.

In the end a lot of bona fides never come out of the black hole. That is the reality. But frauds who snug through still are making it in this country right now.

Put this in OT and get more responses and you will see what I mean.

Of course I agree that fraud potential has to be tightened but for Pete's sake implement an avenue to also protect the bona fide couple from being swept up into the black hole along with the frauds and cons.

I hope you will comprehend my point. In a nutshell USCIS needs to go after the frauds and protect the bona fides from the same black hole of returned petitions.

I don't know what your bone of contention is.

My bone of contention is this

"I only posted this article for informations sake."

You believe according to the article CO's carry no weight to successfully recommend to revoke petitions oversees and I beg to differ. Attorneys work feverishly to inform the USCIS about returned petitions and the rights of petitioners. USCIS ignores that fact and petitioners wait years to hear about a final judgment after they get returned. Guess what ?

The USCIS acknowledges the CO's " questionable hunches " and the petition dies. Often unfounded and with bona fide couples and that is what I have a problem with.

I never stated that he was 100% on the mark with his statements/observations, but he does have an insider view on the situation. I just highlighted what was in the article that was contradictory to what you stated. And for the record, whatever is the basis for your hostility, do not take it out on me for I am not the source of your woes. The truth is what the truth is and argue as you may, it don't change the facts; whatever the facts maybe respective to each others own personal situation.

And again, I posted this for informations sake , take from it what you will and leave the rest.

Smooches

UNO

It is clear to me that the hostility was coming from you by your red underlined comment when all I did was disagree with the fact that CO's supposedly are not successful in recommending to revoke a petition with the USCIS upon returning a case.

You do not like it when someone disagrees with you. And yes you did question my comprehension of the article.

Whoever agrees with you gets a standing ovation and whoever has a different perspective gets attacked.

I offered my thoughts on this article. That was all.

Truth is the many complains about CO's we hear on this site.

Truth is the unjustice done to genuine couples who are put through the ringer.

In my opinion the article by the CO was not that truthful when it comes to the issue of having the power to jerk people around.

They can and they do successfully send you into the abyss never to surface again. Go ahead and attack

this fact. You can't argue with personal experience from others here.

[Ta Ta 1]

{No, I am not putting this in OT, if a MOD wants to move it or deem in necessary to move, then that is their right. And personally, I don't care about the amount of responses I get for this post. I don't do anything to appease anyone, except myself. And no, I don't necessarily SEE what you mean; due to I was blessed enough to be given insight into what could have become a potentially perilous situation and God Blocked It! And again, I posted it for the sake of some people gathering information and understanding about a tedious process. Not to gain brownie points.}

My suggestion was to post this in OT or the AP/returned petition forum to get a more well rounded view of true experiences. But it seems you

are not interested in other posters ordeals and contrary experiences.

By your agressive red and underlined come back I just now realized that you do not welcome different views and experiences in your thread

and that it was all about you and yours.

Oops my bad ! The nerve of me to assume we could have a discussion here and add our perspective.

Smooches back without hostility

[Simply_Uno 1]

Nice article but for those stuck as bona fide couples and whom the CO deemed as not bona fide, lets say for lack of sufficient emails etc. and not even looking at the relationship proof brought to the interview, for those couples being returned to USCIS the journey is over. I do not care what this article says, just read the reality in the returned petition forum and see for yourself the extremely low percentage that ever makes it through after their cases have been returned to USCIS.

Most have to start over again. There are countless members here on VJ who had to do just that due to a returned petition. Evidence was never looked at by the CO. Look in mena and asian forums. Morrocco, Pakistan, Vietnam, all high fraud posts but with many bona fides get thrown out into the same abyss by a CO who lacks good judgment. Why ? Because they can !

Rules and articles say one thing but reality says quiet another. Underlined and in red and all, does not matter. Petitions get revoked by recommendation of CO's many times especially and rightfully so with new evidence. The key here is with beneficiaries still in their home countries and NOT here already.

New evidence definitely comes into play while the beneficiary is still oversees. CO's definitely play a large role in recommending revocation

successfully. I fully comprehend what this article is saying but I also comprehend the reality of bona fide couples in the black hole.

For some reason, frauds who made it through still get through AOS and ROC all the way to USC. That needs to change. Once exposed as a fraud with evidence the beneficiary needs to be checked very closely and not be awarded with a 10 year green card. But they go through the system with ease once here.

The author shed perspective about fraud ring petitions who fell through the cracks and made it.

In the end a lot of bona fides never come out of the black hole. That is the reality. But frauds who snug through still are making it in this country right now.

Put this in OT and get more responses and you will see what I mean.

Of course I agree that fraud potential has to be tightened but for Pete's sake implement an avenue to also protect the bona fide couple from being swept up into the black hole along with the frauds and cons.

I hope you will comprehend my point. In a nutshell USCIS needs to go after the frauds and protect the bona fides from the same black hole of returned petitions.

I don't know what your bone of contention is.

My bone of contention is this

"I only posted this article for informations sake."

You believe according to the article CO's carry no weight to successfully recommend to revoke petitions oversees and I beg to differ. Attorneys work feverishly to inform the USCIS about returned petitions and the rights of petitioners. USCIS ignores that fact and petitioners wait years to hear about a final judgment after they get returned. Guess what ?

The USCIS acknowledges the CO's " questionable hunches " and the petition dies. Often unfounded and with bona fide couples and that is what I have a problem with.

I never stated that he was 100% on the mark with his statements/observations, but he does have an insider view on the situation. I just highlighted what was in the article that was contradictory to what you stated. And for the record, whatever is the basis for your hostility, do not take it out on me for I am not the source of your woes. The truth is what the truth is and argue as you may, it don't change the facts; whatever the facts maybe respective to each others own personal situation.

And again, I posted this for informations sake , take from it what you will and leave the rest.

Smooches

UNO

It is clear to me that the hostility was coming from you by your red underlined comment when all I did was disagree with the fact that CO's supposedly are not successful in recommending to revoke a petition with the USCIS upon returning a case.

You do not like it when someone disagrees with you. And yes you did question my comprehension of the article.

Whoever agrees with you gets a standing ovation and whoever has a different perspective gets attacked.

I offered my thoughts on this article. That was all.

Truth is the many complains about CO's we hear on this site.

Truth is the unjustice done to genuine couples who are put through the ringer.

In my opinion the article by the CO was not that truthful when it comes to the issue of having the power to jerk people around.

They can and they do successfully send you into the abyss never to surface again. Go ahead and attack

this fact. You can't argue with personal experience from others here.

{No, I am not putting this in OT, if a MOD wants to move it or deem in necessary to move, then that is their right. And personally, I don't care about the amount of responses I get for this post. I don't do anything to appease anyone, except myself. And no, I don't necessarily SEE what you mean; due to I was blessed enough to be given insight into what could have become a potentially perilous situation and God Blocked It! And again, I posted it for the sake of some people gathering information and understanding about a tedious process. Not to gain brownie points.}

My suggestion was to post this in OT or the AP/returned petition forum to get a more well rounded view of true experiences. But it seems you

are not interested in other posters ordeals and contrary experiences.

By your agressive red and underlined come back I just now realized that you do not welcome different views and experiences in your thread

and that it was all about you and yours.

Oops my bad ! The nerve of me to assume we could have a discussion here and add our perspective.

Smooches back without hostility

out of everything you wrote Omoba, the only thats clear is that you take yourself wayyyy to seriously (trust me, its not always about you) and you think highlighting in red is a personal attack/hostility .

everyone else can read an article, reflect on it, then move on, but you had to bring your luggage into a situation and it wasn't even called for. out of respect for one of Gods creation, I am not going to disrespect you which is something you might want to consider doing in the future.

Peace be unto your heavy load

UNO

Edited December 6, 2008 by UNO...

[toma1 10]

Wow... I'm glad these consulate issues don't seem to occur very often in Thailand.

Well, good luck to all of you.