captured terrorist in mumbai to be given "truth serum"

[Heracles 417]

I did read up on the incident - the events are a matter of public record.

So why are you acting as if they hunted down anyone who looked foreign and shot them in cold blood? The irony is for someone who this year alone has labeled approximately 10 incidents I have commented on as"totally isolated or hyped up by the media", you don't see that event as tragic and completely isolated. As well as totally understandable considering the circumstances at the time.

[Heracles 417]

Exactly. If its PD's personal take on the matter, then its also the take of pretty much everyone else- even in the panel of judges that exonerated the policemen involved as a case of a mistake that will likely run into the millions of pounds if I am not mistaken myself.

Hal you are the most biased of them all. You even beat Len. The second you see the word minority or South America you will jump on and defend it, no matter what the topic.

But I will give you credit that you are at least genuine, unlike six.

PS Let me guess you are defending Cuba in the other thread.

Edited December 5, 2008 by Aficionado

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I did read up on the incident - the events are a matter of public record.

So why are you acting as if they hunted down anyone who looked foreign and shot them in cold blood? The irony is for someone who this year alone has labeled approximately 10 incidents I have commented on as"totally isolated or hyped up by the media", you don't see that event as tragic and completely isolated. As well as totally understandable considering the circumstances at the time.

Is that what I did? I mentioned a specific incident in relation to the questionable ethics of terrorist laws and how they can hurt ordinary people.

I'm not saying its "typical". Yes - its isolated, but in Britain at least - this incident represents something of a precedent.

The 7/7 terrorist attacks don't justify police following the wrong man and hysterically shooting him multiple times in the head.

Edited December 5, 2008 by Paul Daniels

[HAL 9000 96]

Exactly. If its PD's personal take on the matter, then its also the take of pretty much everyone else- even in the panel of judges that exonerated the policemen involved as a case of a mistake that will likely run into the millions of pounds if I am not mistaken myself.

Hal you are the most biased of them all. You even beat Len. The second you see the word minority or South America you will jump on and defend it, no matter what the topic.

But I will give you credit that you are at least genuine, unlike six.

So then get over it. Reality, as usual, disagrees with your hyped up sense of logic.

Nonetheless there is no mention of the word 'minority' nor 'South America' in the splinter post, so once again... BY logic at work.

[Heracles 417]

Is that what I did? I mentioned a specific incident in relation to the questionable ethics of terrorist laws and how they can hurt ordinary people.

I'm not saying its "typical". Yes - its isolated, but in Britain at least - this incident represents something of a precedent.

One incident is hardly an epidemic. Whereas I can post 100 cases of negligent parents yet you absolutely refuse to accept the trend.

[HAL 9000 96]

So say something in the other thread that shows I am supporting Cuba.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Is that what I did? I mentioned a specific incident in relation to the questionable ethics of terrorist laws and how they can hurt ordinary people.

I'm not saying its "typical". Yes - its isolated, but in Britain at least - this incident represents something of a precedent.

One incident is hardly an epidemic. Whereas I can post 100 cases of negligent parents yet you absolutely refuse to accept the trend.

It isn't an epidemic. I'm not saying that it is.

Key word: Precedent In that respect I'm not talking just about the shooting, but the judicial process that has exonerated anyone from blame.

Edited December 5, 2008 by Paul Daniels

[HAL 9000 96]

Is that what I did? I mentioned a specific incident in relation to the questionable ethics of terrorist laws and how they can hurt ordinary people.

I'm not saying its "typical". Yes - its isolated, but in Britain at least - this incident represents something of a precedent.

One incident is hardly an epidemic. Whereas I can post 100 cases of negligent parents yet you absolutely refuse to accept the trend.

It isn't an epidemic. I'm not saying that it is.

Key word: Precedent In that respect I'm not talking just about the shooting, but the judicial process that has exonerated anyone from blame.

And your train of thought quite clearly stated that events like these are rare, did you not? I know I read it...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Is that what I did? I mentioned a specific incident in relation to the questionable ethics of terrorist laws and how they can hurt ordinary people.

I'm not saying its "typical". Yes - its isolated, but in Britain at least - this incident represents something of a precedent.

One incident is hardly an epidemic. Whereas I can post 100 cases of negligent parents yet you absolutely refuse to accept the trend.

It isn't an epidemic. I'm not saying that it is.

Key word: Precedent In that respect I'm not talking just about the shooting, but the judicial process that has exonerated anyone from blame.

And your train of thought quite clearly stated that events like these are rare, did you not? I know I read it...

Well yes - but I was actually talking about the judicial response to abuses (intentional or otherwise) that pretty much always ignores the treatment of the victim and instead appears to consistently side with the government.

[Heracles 417]

Well yes - but I was actually talking about the judicial response to abuses (intentional or otherwise) that pretty much always ignores the treatment of the victim and instead appears to consistently side with the government.

I don't feel this the government is out to get me V for Vendetta / Children of Men paranoia that some people have.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That's nice and all - but if you have a point perhaps now is the time to make it.

[HAL 9000 96]

Is that what I did? I mentioned a specific incident in relation to the questionable ethics of terrorist laws and how they can hurt ordinary people.

I'm not saying its "typical". Yes - its isolated, but in Britain at least - this incident represents something of a precedent.

One incident is hardly an epidemic. Whereas I can post 100 cases of negligent parents yet you absolutely refuse to accept the trend.

It isn't an epidemic. I'm not saying that it is.

Key word: Precedent In that respect I'm not talking just about the shooting, but the judicial process that has exonerated anyone from blame.

And your train of thought quite clearly stated that events like these are rare, did you not? I know I read it...

Well yes - but I was actually talking about the judicial response to abuses (intentional or otherwise) that pretty much always ignores the treatment of the victim and instead appears to consistently side with the government.

To be honest its not that surprising the policemen got off. I am actually curious though, what the civil (monetary) consequences will be of that particular case. Save some nutjob with a gun open fire on one of us on a subway and get away with it due to the atmosphere of stupidity going around. I don't think that would happen to be serious- but the precedent is that law enforcement gets some benefit of the doubt at most times. Even when they royally screw up at times like in that tragic example.

Yes... they should definitely have to be held accountable for their actions based primarily on ignorance.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Is that what I did? I mentioned a specific incident in relation to the questionable ethics of terrorist laws and how they can hurt ordinary people.

I'm not saying its "typical". Yes - its isolated, but in Britain at least - this incident represents something of a precedent.

One incident is hardly an epidemic. Whereas I can post 100 cases of negligent parents yet you absolutely refuse to accept the trend.

It isn't an epidemic. I'm not saying that it is.

Key word: Precedent In that respect I'm not talking just about the shooting, but the judicial process that has exonerated anyone from blame.

And your train of thought quite clearly stated that events like these are rare, did you not? I know I read it...

Well yes - but I was actually talking about the judicial response to abuses (intentional or otherwise) that pretty much always ignores the treatment of the victim and instead appears to consistently side with the government.

To be honest its not that surprising the policemen got off. I am actually curious though, what the civil (monetary) consequences will be of that particular case. Save some nutjob with a gun open fire on one of us on a subway and get away with it due to the atmosphere of stupidity going around. I don't think that would happen to be serious- but the precedent is that law enforcement gets some benefit of the doubt at most times. Even when they royally screw up at times like in that tragic example.

Yes... they should definitely have to be held accountable for their actions based primarily on ignorance.

There may not be a civil suit to bring in that case - given that the inquest jury has been told by the judge that they can't find a verdict of Unlawful killing and that it must be consistent with the previous verdict that absolved the officers from any wrong-doing.

[HAL 9000 96]

Yeah that really sucks for the victim's family.

Is there another legal principle that establishes negligence or some kind of fault without necessarily being declared unlawful in the UK- much like 'wrongful death' here in the US? That is where I'd assume this case in particular would go.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yeah that really sucks for the victim's family.

Is there another legal principle that establishes negligence or some kind of fault without necessarily being declared unlawful in the UK- much like 'wrongful death' here in the US? That is where I'd assume this case in particular would go.

Well if the police inquest rules that the guy was the victim of unfortunate circumstance - proving culpability or negligence for civil damages will be near impossible.

They can't rule for "wrongful death" - basically the only options left are "lawful killing" or an open verdict.