When Power Rangers Go Bad...

[Heracles 417]

Jennifer Deleon has been sentenced to life without parole. The jury recommended the death penalty for Skylar Deleon; he will be sentenced in January 2009.

Lynette O'Daniel says she realizes the horrific nature of her son's crime, but continues to stand by him. "I feel like I let him down. I think we feel like we let each other down."

http://www.insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyId=2386

One of the many reasons I don't agree with the death penalty. Cruel and unusual punishment for the mother too.

Lets just fill the prisons up with these sorts of people. Maybe he will be rehabilitated one day. In the mean time back to reality. Keeping such people alive is a waste of time. Shame on his mum. The number of parents who disguise and cover up their kids actions is sickening. Just look at the Caylee Anthony case. Every time I see that disgusting low life mother speak I just want to drive down and pound her into the ground.

We truly have become a jungle rules society where it is no loger about right or wrong but a case of doing anything you can to cover your ###.

Edited December 3, 2008 by Aficionado

[Ling Ling 22]

The only reason I can see him hacking off his ####### was so that there'd be no way for him to pollute the gene pool.

More likely he was planning an escape from a hospital...but they had him stitched up and back in his cell shortly after.

I'm not much for the death penalty either (for some it's too lenient) but I don't think his mother was actually too

surprised. Mothers know us pretty well.

One of the articles listed his father as a convicted drug dealer.

"It's your parent's fault for the way you are, it's YOUR fault if you stay that way"

[Peikko 1,575]

I can't imagine either of you are parents. Nothing wrong with that, but I guess if you are not, it's impossible to imagine how a parent would feel and I am quite sure she didn't expect her son to commit this kind of heinous crime.

A parent can not be expected to celebrate the execution of their child nor to be unaffected by it, no matter how deserving of punishment that child might be.

Hence, the mother is certainly being subjected to cruel and unusual punishment simply by the fact that he will be put to death.

Edited December 3, 2008 by Madame Cleo

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I can't imagine either of you are parents. Nothing wrong with that, but I guess if you are not, it's impossible to imagine how a parent would feel and I am quite sure she didn't expect her son to commit this kind of heinous crime.

A parent can not be expected to celebrate the execution of their child nor to be unaffected by it, no matter how deserving of punishment that child might be.

Hence, the mother is certainly being subjected to cruel and unusual punishment simply by the fact that he will be put to death.

Well I'm not a parent - but I don't find that too difficult a concept to grasp.

[Peikko 1,575]

Jennifer Deleon has been sentenced to life without parole. The jury recommended the death penalty for Skylar Deleon; he will be sentenced in January 2009.

Lynette O'Daniel says she realizes the horrific nature of her son's crime, but continues to stand by him. "I feel like I let him down. I think we feel like we let each other down."

http://www.insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyId=2386

One of the many reasons I don't agree with the death penalty. Cruel and unusual punishment for the mother too.

Lets just fill the prisons up with these sorts of people. Maybe he will be rehabilitated one day. In the mean time back to reality. Keeping such people alive is a waste of time. Shame on his mum. The number of parents who disguise and cover up their kids actions is sickening. Just look at the Caylee Anthony case. Every time I see that disgusting low life mother speak I just want to drive down and pound her into the ground.

We truly have become a jungle rules society where it is no loger about right or wrong but a case of doing anything you can to cover your ###.

Presumably you find nothing disturbing about that desire?

As for your notion that society has suddenly become Sodom and Gomorrahish - wrong again.

[Peikko 1,575]

When people make such claims, I have to wonder what era they cling to as their beacon of hope. I can't think of any era where people have been any more 'good' than currently at least in Western societies. It's the most strange idea that anyone ever puts forward in my opinion.

Edited December 3, 2008 by Madame Cleo

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

When people make such claims, I have to wonder what era they cling to as their beacon of hope. I can't think of any era where people have been any more 'good' than currently at least in Western societies. It's the most strange idea that anyone ever puts forward in my opinion.

Or what the basis for comparison is - other than innuendo.

<<shakes walking stick>> "We didn't see that on the news in my day!"

[Peikko 1,575]

Which is hysterical when presumably BY is in his what, late 20's?

[Ling Ling 22]

I can't imagine either of you are parents. Nothing wrong with that, but I guess if you are not, it's impossible to imagine how a parent would feel and I am quite sure she didn't expect her son to commit this kind of heinous crime.

A parent can not be expected to celebrate the execution of their child nor to be unaffected by it, no matter how deserving of punishment that child might be.

Hence, the mother is certainly being subjected to cruel and unusual punishment simply by the fact that he will be put to death.

For me, you might be imagining wrong. Like I said, I'm against the death penalty (for various reasons) one of which is that the justice system is so flawed that far too many innocent people are executed, the other reason being that for people who are actually guilty of heinous crimes worthy of the a death sentence, death is too lenient for them.

As for the mother celebrating the execution or not being affected, I never made such claim, rather I said I don't think she's

as surprised as she may let on. She knew what the boy's father was capable of, and I'm sure she had ideas of what her son was capable of.

As far as the mother being subjected to cruel and unusual punishment...I think that's the feeling ANY parent would have if their child died before them.

I condone the execution no more than you condone the heinous murders. However, I pity the mother only because she is a parent, to wit I have reservations about her parenting. It's my understanding that this was not his first encounter with the legal system. Perhaps she did do everything in her power to put him on the right path, but perhaps she did not. Hence my reservations, not conclusions.

One doesn't need to be a parent to know the principles of good parenting, nor does one need be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. I'm not saying that bad parenting is to blame, but in this case it certainly is a question. I'm more concerned about the cruel and unusual punishment of the children and grand-children who will have to endure this for the rest of their lives (and it may be more so if there is an execution).

[Heracles 417]

I can't imagine either of you are parents. Nothing wrong with that, but I guess if you are not, it's impossible to imagine how a parent would feel and I am quite sure she didn't expect her son to commit this kind of heinous crime.

A parent can not be expected to celebrate the execution of their child nor to be unaffected by it, no matter how deserving of punishment that child might be.

Hence, the mother is certainly being subjected to cruel and unusual punishment simply by the fact that he will be put to death.

I understand that. I am referring to the many cases I see where parents are clearly covering up for their kids.

Whereas my folks were old school and made it clear that if I ever committed anything at a federal level I need not bother calling them or coming home.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I can't imagine either of you are parents. Nothing wrong with that, but I guess if you are not, it's impossible to imagine how a parent would feel and I am quite sure she didn't expect her son to commit this kind of heinous crime.

A parent can not be expected to celebrate the execution of their child nor to be unaffected by it, no matter how deserving of punishment that child might be.

Hence, the mother is certainly being subjected to cruel and unusual punishment simply by the fact that he will be put to death.

I understand that. I am referring to the many cases I see where parents are clearly covering up for their kids.

Out of curiosity - why did you say "shame on his mum" if you weren't talking about *this* case?

[Peikko 1,575]

I can't imagine either of you are parents. Nothing wrong with that, but I guess if you are not, it's impossible to imagine how a parent would feel and I am quite sure she didn't expect her son to commit this kind of heinous crime.

A parent can not be expected to celebrate the execution of their child nor to be unaffected by it, no matter how deserving of punishment that child might be.

Hence, the mother is certainly being subjected to cruel and unusual punishment simply by the fact that he will be put to death.

I understand that. I am referring to the many cases I see where parents are clearly covering up for their kids.

Whereas my folks were old school and made it clear that if I ever committed anything at a federal level I need not bother calling them or coming home.

That's sort of not the point though. While your parent's adherence to the strictures of the law is honorable and the behaviour of other parents not so much, that doesn't change the fact that a 'normal' parent is going to be deeply effected by the loss of a child and the knowledge that one would be 'executed'. I think one would have to be cold hearted indeed to wish for the death of a child even when they are deserving of punishment.

Edited December 3, 2008 by Madame Cleo

[Heracles 417]

That's sort of not the point though. While your parent's adherence to the strictures of the law is honorable and the behaviour of other parents not so much, that doesn't change the fact that a 'normal' parent is going to be deeply effected by the loss of a child and the knowledge that one would be 'executed'. I think one would have to be cold hearted indeed to wish for the death of a child even when they are deserving of punishment.

I stumbled across an interesting story relating to this: http://www.theage.com.au/national/convicts...58.html?page=-1

Doreen Giuliano was obsessed with saving her son from a life behind bars after he was convicted of murder.

She gave herself an extreme makeover - blonde dye job, fake tan, sexy wardrobe, phony name - and began spying on jurors. She befriended one juror to root out any possible misdeeds at the trial, and for nearly eight months, they drank at bars, smoked marijuana and shared meals in her tiny Brooklyn hideaway in the US.

[Ling Ling 22]

That's sort of not the point though. While your parent's adherence to the strictures of the law is honorable and the behaviour of other parents not so much, that doesn't change the fact that a 'normal' parent is going to be deeply effected by the loss of a child and the knowledge that one would be 'executed'. I think one would have to be cold hearted indeed to wish for the death of a child even when they are deserving of punishment.

I stumbled across an interesting story relating to this: http://www.theage.com.au/national/convicts...58.html?page=-1

Doreen Giuliano was obsessed with saving her son from a life behind bars after he was convicted of murder.

She gave herself an extreme makeover - blonde dye job, fake tan, sexy wardrobe, phony name - and began spying on jurors. She befriended one juror to root out any possible misdeeds at the trial, and for nearly eight months, they drank at bars, smoked marijuana and shared meals in her tiny Brooklyn hideaway in the US.

So you're saying a pot smoking, jury tampering mother who shacked up with a drug dealer, and is surprised that her son isn't going to get the chance to be President of the USA, may not get the mother of the year award?

Say it ain't so Joe, say it ain't so.

[Heracles 417]

Out of curiosity - why did you say "shame on his mum" if you weren't talking about *this* case?

Shame on his mum for standing by this piece of ####.

On a smaller scale, this sort of stuff happens all of the time. Where a parent will back and support their child's side and take their point of view over an adult, over a teacher. Just ask teachers about it. I have lost count of such stories from teachers. This was simply not an option when I was growing up. My parents also weren't as dumb as 2008 parents and would have detect such a lie in a heartbeat. Consequently I would have been disciplined further for the lie as well as whatever I did at school. Nowadays a lot of a parents will automatically take their kids side.

Lucky I am not a teacher as I would have been serving federal time by now for beating such a parent into the ground, along with their 'precious' child.

Edited December 5, 2008 by Aficionado