Discussing money

[rebeccajo 14]

but you need ammo, you're too poor for ammo

i bet you steal it from rich people

yeah, i go into their house, fart, knock them out and take everything i want.

but at least you're documented so it's not all that bad

the only thing worse than a poor schmuck like you is a poor schmuck who happens to be mexican. ew.

.....or adopted........

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

but you need ammo, you're too poor for ammo

i bet you steal it from rich people

yeah, i go into their house, fart, knock them out and take everything i want.

but at least you're documented so it's not all that bad

the only thing worse than a poor schmuck like you is a poor schmuck who happens to be mexican. ew.

.....or adopted........

no, mexican is way worse

adopted poor people are just pathetic. poor mexicans are evil, to be driven out of town and never allowed back

[rebeccajo 14]

but you need ammo, you're too poor for ammo

i bet you steal it from rich people

yeah, i go into their house, fart, knock them out and take everything i want.

but at least you're documented so it's not all that bad

the only thing worse than a poor schmuck like you is a poor schmuck who happens to be mexican. ew.

.....or adopted........

no, mexican is way worse

adopted poor people are just pathetic. poor mexicans are evil, to be driven out of town and never allowed back

What about the poor Indians?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

ok, they're even worse!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Aficionado, was any of this any help? I didn't see anyone bragging, but the perception of it is real. The taboo allows one to be resigned to having little or no money, to be judgemental and cyncial toward those who do, but doesn't allow for those who have plenty to express happiness or comfort about it. You have to wonder who this dicotomy serves.

I dont have ANY problems with someone being happy or content in having plenty of money.

I also would appreciate hearing some advise on how they pulled themselves from "just making it" to "rolling in the dough".

What I dont appreciate is someone having said they have a family trust fund telling people that they dont have money because they choose not to. Maybe you didnt mean to come across that way, but it sounded snobby.

Everyone has a choice to improve their financial situation..I agree. This could mean building a business for some and for others it could mean just saving enough for emergencies. Lisa

editted-- THIS is why people dont talk openly about money LOL

I see a contradiction in the two bolded statements. I believe that unless you have some sort of involuntary impediment, retardation, addiction, mental issues, it is very possible to gain financial freedom in this country. It is a choice, the same kind of choice that one makes about any priority they set in life. There is nothing snobby about being positive about anyone's ability to do well in life.

I think you missed my point in the next sentence. I dont think someone has to have a disability to be living paycheck to paycheck. I dont think it means that they dont have any drive either.

I agree that people can change their priorities through hard work and perseverance and become successful.

But I think advice and opinions on how to do that are best received from people who have actually accomplished it.

We are all born into our life circumstances with no choice in the matter. Some people are born into wealth and trust funds; others into poverty. The rest of us - somewhere in the middle of the road. Those of us in the middle have more chances to improve our lot than those less fortunate.

I think it's really odd that some people who were fortunate enough to have been born into the trust fund stratosphere don't realize how exactly alike they are to those who are impoverished. We read their commentary about "teet suckers" and their dismay with "entitlement programs" like nationalized medicine. I wonder if it ever occurs to them that by having been born into wealth they are living off the sweat of another's brow just as much as a welfare baby is? True, it may not be a life lived off the taxpayer dollar, but it's also not a position to come from wherein there's a whole lot of credible advice they can offer the middle-class masses about rising up and bettering themselves.

It's rather shortsighted to ASSume that a person born into money has attained nothing on their own and has nothing to offer to those who weren't and wish to gain wealth.To stereotype us provides license for you to be stereotyped, as well. neither is useful.

Well, first of all, I think I spoke my opinion with a modicum of decency and without insult. Secondly, I wasn't stereoptyping anyone. Instead I was offering a perspective that's quite outside stereotypical norms.

It's just something to think about, VW, and not an 'accusation'. More of a different angle or a introspective bent on the subject, I guess.

One has to admit - someone who is born with nothing and boot-straps themselves to financial security has more real-life advice to offer others than a person who is born with advantages.

I don't have to admit it. Do you have anyone in mind?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

One has to admit - someone who is born with nothing and boot-straps themselves to financial security has more real-life advice to offer others than a person who is born with advantages.

I don't have to admit it.

Yeah, don't let rebecca push you around!

[rebeccajo 14]

Aficionado, was any of this any help? I didn't see anyone bragging, but the perception of it is real. The taboo allows one to be resigned to having little or no money, to be judgemental and cyncial toward those who do, but doesn't allow for those who have plenty to express happiness or comfort about it. You have to wonder who this dicotomy serves.

I dont have ANY problems with someone being happy or content in having plenty of money.

I also would appreciate hearing some advise on how they pulled themselves from "just making it" to "rolling in the dough".

What I dont appreciate is someone having said they have a family trust fund telling people that they dont have money because they choose not to. Maybe you didnt mean to come across that way, but it sounded snobby.

Everyone has a choice to improve their financial situation..I agree. This could mean building a business for some and for others it could mean just saving enough for emergencies. Lisa

editted-- THIS is why people dont talk openly about money LOL

I see a contradiction in the two bolded statements. I believe that unless you have some sort of involuntary impediment, retardation, addiction, mental issues, it is very possible to gain financial freedom in this country. It is a choice, the same kind of choice that one makes about any priority they set in life. There is nothing snobby about being positive about anyone's ability to do well in life.

I think you missed my point in the next sentence. I dont think someone has to have a disability to be living paycheck to paycheck. I dont think it means that they dont have any drive either.

I agree that people can change their priorities through hard work and perseverance and become successful.

But I think advice and opinions on how to do that are best received from people who have actually accomplished it.

We are all born into our life circumstances with no choice in the matter. Some people are born into wealth and trust funds; others into poverty. The rest of us - somewhere in the middle of the road. Those of us in the middle have more chances to improve our lot than those less fortunate.

I think it's really odd that some people who were fortunate enough to have been born into the trust fund stratosphere don't realize how exactly alike they are to those who are impoverished. We read their commentary about "teet suckers" and their dismay with "entitlement programs" like nationalized medicine. I wonder if it ever occurs to them that by having been born into wealth they are living off the sweat of another's brow just as much as a welfare baby is? True, it may not be a life lived off the taxpayer dollar, but it's also not a position to come from wherein there's a whole lot of credible advice they can offer the middle-class masses about rising up and bettering themselves.

It's rather shortsighted to ASSume that a person born into money has attained nothing on their own and has nothing to offer to those who weren't and wish to gain wealth.To stereotype us provides license for you to be stereotyped, as well. neither is useful.

Well, first of all, I think I spoke my opinion with a modicum of decency and without insult. Secondly, I wasn't stereoptyping anyone. Instead I was offering a perspective that's quite outside stereotypical norms.

It's just something to think about, VW, and not an 'accusation'. More of a different angle or a introspective bent on the subject, I guess.

One has to admit - someone who is born with nothing and boot-straps themselves to financial security has more real-life advice to offer others than a person who is born with advantages.

I don't have to admit it. Do you have anyone in mind?

This isn't a finger-pointing exercise.

[Ban Hammer 13,576]

This isn't a finger-pointing exercise.

well #######, and i was stretching and getting warmed up.

[Heracles 417]

It appears that to some, that those who don't talk about their money are perceived to be superior to those who do.

I find financial conversations work best with trusted friends, family members and professionals. Not with message board members who people happen to already dislike.

Disliking people on a message board whom you have never met is a major indicator of stupidity.

Also indicates how much of a loser someone is.

[Heracles 417]

ok, they're even worse!

Dam straight.

[PlatyPius 5]

It appears that to some, that those who don't talk about their money are perceived to be superior to those who do.

I find financial conversations work best with trusted friends, family members and professionals. Not with message board members who people happen to already dislike.

Disliking people on a message board whom you have never met is a major indicator of stupidity.

Also indicates how much of a loser someone is.

Not at all. There are some people on message boards who have personalities - at least online ones - that are so offensive that many, many people dislike them. Then there are people who are offensive to some; some people like them, some people don't. I lump myself in with the latter group. VW fits the first. I'm sure where to put you. I think you're closer to the "some dislike" than the "most", oddly enough. Queen Narnia is solidly in the "most" group.

It's completely and utterly stupid to say that it's stupid to dislike someone on a message board. Just because you can't see the person doesn't make what they say any less offensive, ridiculous, inflammatory, or f##ktarded. The only "losers" here are the ones who think that people don't form opinions of people based on how they present themselves via the words they type. I know this computer thing might be scary and confusing to some of you, but these really ARE people typing these words, and their personalities really DO come across. To say that it's stupid and "loser-like" to dislike someone on a message board is to also say that to LIKE someone on a message board/chat room/game site is stupid and loser-like. I'd have to say that the 75% (or whatever) of people here on VJ who met their SOs online might have an issue with that.

[Marilyn. 340]

It appears that to some, that those who don't talk about their money are perceived to be superior to those who do.

I find financial conversations work best with trusted friends, family members and professionals. Not with message board members who people happen to already dislike.

Disliking people on a message board whom you have never met is a major indicator of stupidity.

Also indicates how much of a loser someone is.

Not at all. There are some people on message boards who have personalities - at least online ones - that are so offensive that many, many people dislike them. Then there are people who are offensive to some; some people like them, some people don't. I lump myself in with the latter group. VW fits the first. I'm sure where to put you. I think you're closer to the "some dislike" than the "most", oddly enough. Queen Narnia is solidly in the "most" group.

It's completely and utterly stupid to say that it's stupid to dislike someone on a message board. Just because you can't see the person doesn't make what they say any less offensive, ridiculous, inflammatory, or f##ktarded. The only "losers" here are the ones who think that people don't form opinions of people based on how they present themselves via the words they type. I know this computer thing might be scary and confusing to some of you, but these really ARE people typing these words, and their personalities really DO come across. To say that it's stupid and "loser-like" to dislike someone on a message board is to also say that to LIKE someone on a message board/chat room/game site is stupid and loser-like. I'd have to say that the 75% (or whatever) of people here on VJ who met their SOs online might have an issue with that.

yeah I was trying to point that out yesterday but then I got the whole, well there is more negative energy to dislike someone which really doesn't have anything to do with the point being made...

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I'd have to say that the 75% (or whatever) of people here on VJ who met their SOs online might have an issue with that.

If memory serves, I am pretty sure VW has talked about meeting her VH online.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Not at all. There are some people on message boards who have personalities - at least online ones - that are so offensive that many, many people dislike them. Then there are people who are offensive to some; some people like them, some people don't. I lump myself in with the latter group. VW fits the first. I'm sure where to put you. I think you're closer to the "some dislike" than the "most", oddly enough. Queen Narnia is solidly in the "most" group.

It's completely and utterly stupid to say that it's stupid to dislike someone on a message board. Just because you can't see the person doesn't make what they say any less offensive, ridiculous, inflammatory, or f##ktarded. The only "losers" here are the ones who think that people don't form opinions of people based on how they present themselves via the words they type. I know this computer thing might be scary and confusing to some of you, but these really ARE people typing these words, and their personalities really DO come across. To say that it's stupid and "loser-like" to dislike someone on a message board is to also say that to LIKE someone on a message board/chat room/game site is stupid and loser-like. I'd have to say that the 75% (or whatever) of people here on VJ who met their SOs online might have an issue with that.

I'm disliked by a few you remind me of that every so often. What good does it do you to repeat it since it does nothing to change anything? I have no interest in whether you and your loser buddies like me or not. Telling me you dislike me doesn't faze me. It doesn't make me want you to like me, and I don't care enough about you to like or dislike you. I'm pretty apathetic about you.

You and your loser buds spend an inordinate amount of time in a stuck on stupid negative mode. When you're not complaining on VJ, you're complaining on Expats. You enjoy complaining and you enjoy trying to make others feel bad. You can't make me feel bad and that seems to bug the hell out of you. I clearly have you by the balls cause you care more about reminding me how you feel about me than I care about you, and you insist on becoming offensive while describing how offensive I am. You don't even see your own hypocrisy, but who would be surprised about that? You are a sorry a$$ bully who may scare some here, but I'm not one of them.

It is supremely stupid to dislike someone on a message board. You can choose to ignore them, or simply become dispassionate about them, as I have with you. I said about liking someone on a message board that it creates positive energy, and that adds to the experience of meeting one's SO online. I did meet my hubby online and liking him in cyberspace and in real life adds to my joy so that I don't need to waste time whining on a message board.

I realize that you need to create vitriol and animosity in order to feel alive and in control, and that you have a cadre of sad sacks who possess the same mentality. You bait those you dislike, trying to get them to violate the TOS and get suspended, but I know where the line is and I don't cross it.

Take your shots. You miss every time.

[Ban Hammer 13,576]

ewok has arrived

and he is not amused.

Edited November 29, 2008 by charles!