Obese have right to two airline seats

[Cassie 8]

This still reduces the amount of seats the airline has to sell to passengers. The only way for the airline to maintain revenues is to raise prices. Whilst being severely obese is probably a disability, that disability could be greatly improved or eradicated for many simply by following a weight loss and exercise programme. People with walkers may not have that option open to them.

Oh, if only it was that easy.

[mawilson 2,133]

Well the airlines are already immune to prosecution if someone gets a deep vein thrombosis on a long haul flight.

Interesting. Would it be illegal for an airline to deny a passenger with a serious medical

condition a seat on the plane?

Of course, if airlines have to accommodate ill people, obese people are going to claim

that obesity is an "illness", as if we are to believe that 64% of the population all suffer

from mysterious digestive disorders and hormonal/glandular problems...

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Well the airlines are already immune to prosecution if someone gets a deep vein thrombosis on a long haul flight.

Interesting. Would it be illegal for an airline to deny a passenger with a serious medical

condition a seat on the plane?

Of course, if airlines have to accommodate ill people, obese people are going to claim

that obesity is an "illness", as if we are to believe that 64% of the population all suffer

from mysterious digestive disorders and hormonal/glandular problems...

The only solution is going to be using genetic technology to profile passengers so airlines can differentiate between fatties like me who are just plain ol fvckin lazy and fatties who are fat because of a true medical problem.

[mawilson 2,133]

Well the airlines are already immune to prosecution if someone gets a deep vein thrombosis on a long haul flight.

Interesting. Would it be illegal for an airline to deny a passenger with a serious medical

condition a seat on the plane?

Of course, if airlines have to accommodate ill people, obese people are going to claim

that obesity is an "illness", as if we are to believe that 64% of the population all suffer

from mysterious digestive disorders and hormonal/glandular problems...

The only solution is going to be using genetic technology to profile passengers so airlines can differentiate between fatties like me who are just plain ol fvckin lazy and fatties who are fat because of a true medical problem.

The best solution would be to have bigger seats for people who need them. Charge a small

premium for it - problem solved.

[William33 110]

Well the airlines are already immune to prosecution if someone gets a deep vein thrombosis on a long haul flight.

Interesting. Would it be illegal for an airline to deny a passenger with a serious medical

condition a seat on the plane?

Of course, if airlines have to accommodate ill people, obese people are going to claim

that obesity is an "illness", as if we are to believe that 64% of the population all suffer

from mysterious digestive disorders and hormonal/glandular problems...

The only solution is going to be using genetic technology to profile passengers so airlines can differentiate between fatties like me who are just plain ol fvckin lazy and fatties who are fat because of a true medical problem.

The best solution would be to have bigger seats for people who need them. Charge a small

premium for it - problem solved.

Really? The next size seat on an international flight is about 2K USD on average?

If the airlines "created" the seat you describe, everyone would want one; and would create a reason to get one.

Edited November 25, 2008 by William33

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Well the airlines are already immune to prosecution if someone gets a deep vein thrombosis on a long haul flight.

Interesting. Would it be illegal for an airline to deny a passenger with a serious medical

condition a seat on the plane?

Of course, if airlines have to accommodate ill people, obese people are going to claim

that obesity is an "illness", as if we are to believe that 64% of the population all suffer

from mysterious digestive disorders and hormonal/glandular problems...

The only solution is going to be using genetic technology to profile passengers so airlines can differentiate between fatties like me who are just plain ol fvckin lazy and fatties who are fat because of a true medical problem.

The best solution would be to have bigger seats for people who need them. Charge a small

premium for it - problem solved.

In all seriousness, I think they should charge by the pound. Passenger+luggage, total weight. Fuel doesn't care if it's carrying 1 lb of bone, flesh and cartilage or 1 lb of luggage - the same amount gets expended.

Of course, online flight booking services would have to change; instead of buying a ticket for a total price you'd just buy a per-pound rate.

Of course, that doesn't solve the "problem" of uncomfortable seats

[MrsCat 6]

Well the airlines are already immune to prosecution if someone gets a deep vein thrombosis on a long haul flight.

Interesting. Would it be illegal for an airline to deny a passenger with a serious medical

condition a seat on the plane?

Of course, if airlines have to accommodate ill people, obese people are going to claim

that obesity is an "illness", as if we are to believe that 64% of the population all suffer

from mysterious digestive disorders and hormonal/glandular problems...

Probably not. If a person has a serious medical condition which affects their personal safety, the airline has a right to refuse boarding. This is justifiable discrimination.

[William33 110]

Well the airlines are already immune to prosecution if someone gets a deep vein thrombosis on a long haul flight.

Interesting. Would it be illegal for an airline to deny a passenger with a serious medical

condition a seat on the plane?

Of course, if airlines have to accommodate ill people, obese people are going to claim

that obesity is an "illness", as if we are to believe that 64% of the population all suffer

from mysterious digestive disorders and hormonal/glandular problems...

The only solution is going to be using genetic technology to profile passengers so airlines can differentiate between fatties like me who are just plain ol fvckin lazy and fatties who are fat because of a true medical problem.

The best solution would be to have bigger seats for people who need them. Charge a small

premium for it - problem solved.

In all seriousness, I think they should charge by the pound. Passenger+luggage, total weight. Fuel doesn't care if it's carrying 1 lb of bone, flesh and cartilage or 1 lb of luggage - the same amount gets expended.

Of course, online flight booking services would have to change; instead of buying a ticket for a total price you'd just buy a per-pound rate.

Of course, that doesn't solve the "problem" of uncomfortable seats

Just buy a f'ing seat, sit down and stfu. Seriously!!!

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Well the airlines are already immune to prosecution if someone gets a deep vein thrombosis on a long haul flight.

Interesting. Would it be illegal for an airline to deny a passenger with a serious medical

condition a seat on the plane?

Of course, if airlines have to accommodate ill people, obese people are going to claim

that obesity is an "illness", as if we are to believe that 64% of the population all suffer

from mysterious digestive disorders and hormonal/glandular problems...

The only solution is going to be using genetic technology to profile passengers so airlines can differentiate between fatties like me who are just plain ol fvckin lazy and fatties who are fat because of a true medical problem.

The best solution would be to have bigger seats for people who need them. Charge a small

premium for it - problem solved.

In all seriousness, I think they should charge by the pound. Passenger+luggage, total weight. Fuel doesn't care if it's carrying 1 lb of bone, flesh and cartilage or 1 lb of luggage - the same amount gets expended.

Of course, online flight booking services would have to change; instead of buying a ticket for a total price you'd just buy a per-pound rate.

Of course, that doesn't solve the "problem" of uncomfortable seats

Just buy a f'ing seat, sit down and stfu. Seriously!!!

I'm not flying anywhere right now. What the hell is your problem?

[William33 110]

Well the airlines are already immune to prosecution if someone gets a deep vein thrombosis on a long haul flight.

Interesting. Would it be illegal for an airline to deny a passenger with a serious medical

condition a seat on the plane?

Of course, if airlines have to accommodate ill people, obese people are going to claim

that obesity is an "illness", as if we are to believe that 64% of the population all suffer

from mysterious digestive disorders and hormonal/glandular problems...

The only solution is going to be using genetic technology to profile passengers so airlines can differentiate between fatties like me who are just plain ol fvckin lazy and fatties who are fat because of a true medical problem.

The best solution would be to have bigger seats for people who need them. Charge a small

premium for it - problem solved.

In all seriousness, I think they should charge by the pound. Passenger+luggage, total weight. Fuel doesn't care if it's carrying 1 lb of bone, flesh and cartilage or 1 lb of luggage - the same amount gets expended.

Of course, online flight booking services would have to change; instead of buying a ticket for a total price you'd just buy a per-pound rate.

Of course, that doesn't solve the "problem" of uncomfortable seats

Just buy a f'ing seat, sit down and stfu. Seriously!!!

I'm not flying anywhere right now. What the hell is your problem?

That was an "all call" brother. Does not apply to you? No problem....

[MrsCat 6]

Just buy a f'ing seat, sit down and stfu. Seriously!!!

I knew your tone sounded familiar william. . . . . . . You were my last b*tch Air Canada flight attendant. I didn't recognize you until you said the magic phrase just like our last meeting.

[PlatyPius 5]

Cassie, I apologize if anything I said hurt you. I really do try to be sympathetic towards those who're obese. I fully realize it's not merely an issue of "stop eating, moron!" If it were, obesity wouldn't be the considerable problem it is today.

I have a condition known as "hypothyroidism." That means my thyroid works below what is considered "normal operational status." In other words, if I don't take medication, I quickly become sluggish and my metabolism drops like a stone. I went through years of not knowing why I was supposedly "lazy and fat."

Even with my thyroid medication, I still packed on the pounds. One day, while eating some pizza, I stopped and looked at it. I decided to eat only a couple of slices and from then on, I began losing weight. I won't say it wasn't difficult -- I love to eat -- but with diet and exercise, I did lose weight. I was as heavy as 240 lbs at one point and I'm now around 170 lbs.

I think most people, with the proper assistance and encouragement, can lose weight. Our society tends to frown upon anyone carrying a few extra pounds and celebrates being thin (sometimes unhealthily so). My point earlier wasn't to insult anyone who's heavy. But I can't help but feel that if someone has reached well over 300 lbs (and shows no sign of stopping) that much of that is indeed due to lifestyle habits. Maybe they have a medical condition, but so do I. If I can lose weight (and I despise dieting and exercising), then I think just about anyone can as well.

DeadPoolX (and everyone else who apologized) -- first I want to say thanks. Secondly, I want to let you all know that I wasn't personally hurt by various remarks, just irked. If my overweightedness was purely from eating (which it wasn't, but poor diet did contribute), I could understand the "put down the cheeseburger" attitude. But it's not. And it's not for you. And it's not for a lot of people.

I have to agree wholeheartedly with Platy's comments:

So who stands at the boarding gate and determines if someone's weight problem is hereditary, due to a medical condition, or due to "fattie shoving food in it's face"? That's the whole point of telling people to STFU with the "Put down the cheeseburger!" comments. They don't know WHY the person is overweight.

Who is gonna be the ultimate authority? Who's gonna be the judge? I'd love to apply for that job!

The thing is, about April of this year, I decided that in spite of my medical conditions, I said "no more". I was tired of being the one stared at on the plane. And I have lost weight -- very slowly, mind you, but it's going for good, over 25 pounds' worth. But the problem is, I am still overweight. I feel like hanging a sign around my neck saying "if you think sitting by me now isn't going to be pleasant, aren't you glad you weren't around me when I was almost 300 pounds?!"

Everyone can lose weight, but to stick with it is hard, big time. I'm a member of SparkPeople, an online community that encourages healthy eating and habits, weight loss, and getting strong, both physically and mentally. I spend time reading peoples' blogs on there and it would break your heart. So many people try and try and try and try, and there is such pressure to look good and be stick thin in the face of an abundance of temptations and stumbling blocks and after a while of being beaten down constantly, many just say screw it, you're right, I can't do it, I have no willpower.

Anyways, I am done with this thread. I just get too riled up -- not personally, but on behalf of my 300 pound friends who are working their butts off for results, and still get the "put down the cheeseburger" attitude.

I've always been "large"... I have a huge noggin' (7 1/2 hat size), big hands, big feet, and thighs almost as big around as Mags' torso (and they're not fat). First I had my hernia surgery several years ago that did result in me getting fat from involuntary inactivity while healing from a ventral hernia repair. Then, later, I went on medication for high blood pressure which also increased my weight; partly from the meds themselves, but also because the meds made it so that I would be out of breath if I walked more than 2 blocks. I got rid of the meds, but I'd already gained about 40 pounds by then.

During our K1 days, my weight fluctuated greatly. I'd be "thin", then I'd be fat. Variance was as much as 2 jeans sizes. When Mags arrived here, I was in the middle. Last January I went on a weight loss plan so that I could lose 50 pounds so that she'd let me ride RAGBRAI. I lost 25-30 pounds, but started working at the bike shop again which involved 3 hours of driving and 9 hours of working each day. The cheeseburger comment applied to me then. After 12 hours of work/driving, I didn't want to screw with cooking when I got home, so I'd stop for a burger on the way. My weight edged back up to where it was in January.

In July, I quit smoking. My weight creeped up more. I quit the Commit lozenges for 2 weeks. I gained about 15 pounds in those 2 weeks. I'm back on the Commit for now.

These aren't excuses; they're reasons. Yeah, I tried last year and I ultimately failed, after initially succeeding. Is it completely my fault that I'm fat? No. It isn't completely NOT my fault either. But to have you @#$%#$# in here judging me and all other overweight people, telling me to "put down the cheeseburger!", saying that I did it to myself - tough, screw you - well....it pisses me off. As such, I'm getting the hell out of this thread before Mean Platy makes an appearance.

Edited November 25, 2008 by PlatyPius

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Well the airlines are already immune to prosecution if someone gets a deep vein thrombosis on a long haul flight.

Interesting. Would it be illegal for an airline to deny a passenger with a serious medical

condition a seat on the plane?

Of course, if airlines have to accommodate ill people, obese people are going to claim

that obesity is an "illness", as if we are to believe that 64% of the population all suffer

from mysterious digestive disorders and hormonal/glandular problems...

The only solution is going to be using genetic technology to profile passengers so airlines can differentiate between fatties like me who are just plain ol fvckin lazy and fatties who are fat because of a true medical problem.

The best solution would be to have bigger seats for people who need them. Charge a small

premium for it - problem solved.

In all seriousness, I think they should charge by the pound. Passenger+luggage, total weight. Fuel doesn't care if it's carrying 1 lb of bone, flesh and cartilage or 1 lb of luggage - the same amount gets expended.

Of course, online flight booking services would have to change; instead of buying a ticket for a total price you'd just buy a per-pound rate.

Of course, that doesn't solve the "problem" of uncomfortable seats

Just buy a f'ing seat, sit down and stfu. Seriously!!!

I'm not flying anywhere right now. What the hell is your problem?

That was an "all call" brother. Does not apply to you? No problem....

i thought the stress of modding finally got to you and you were about to go postal

[mawilson 2,133]

i thought the stress of modding finally got to you and you were about to go postal

Go modal?

[Amby 490]

Honestly I think everyone needs to stop making excuses. Maybe I'm being a b*tch but seriously. It's really not THAT hard to lose weight. As long as you commit to it and have a goal you can do it.