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[baxxy 0]

We don't need anymore uneducated people who come here to feed off it at the taxpayers expense.

We have plenty of uneducated citizens too. Hell pot, this is the kettle....

Um where did I mention that this would apply to MY fiance? I mentioned that she would be going back to the phils if anything happened to me, because thats what she would want. She is very family oriented and would not want to be alone here, but with her family. She is more than capable of supporting herself anywhere.

Are you sure about that?

Yes we do have a lot of uneducated citizens, I don't disagree with that but they are OUR uneducated citizens, and we need to deal with that. What we don't need is dealing with citizens who ARE NOT ours, let their own country deal with them.

And yes I'm quite sure I didn't imply that it would apply to my fiance.

[ScratchIt 12]

You can argue this anyway you see fit. Your relationship or whether it is a success or not does not mean a thing to me. But you would do well to revisit your posts and read what you wrote and reflect on what you wrote PRIOR to continuing on this path. I can only go by what you have written and if you are still having doubts then perhaps this is not the road to take. Your choice.

Adieu

[baxxy 0]

You can argue this anyway you see fit. Your relationship or whether it is a success or not does not mean a thing to me. But you would do well to revisit your posts and read what you wrote and reflect on what you wrote PRIOR to continuing on this path. I can only go by what you have written and if you are still having doubts then perhaps this is not the road to take. Your choice.

Adieu

I am well aware of what I wrote, how I feel and what my chances are of this working out. I don't stick my head in the sand like many people do on here. I am also well aware that the success, or the possible lack thereof, of my relationship means nothing to you, if it did, I'd be worried. This thread is about the 60 Minutes show and the topic that aired. You are the one that turned it around on to my relationship, and thats because you don't like my opinion on the matter at hand, so you feel you have to criticize my relationship and play on the doubts that I have, and thats ok, because thats what everyone on here does when I say something that they don't like. I'll say it again, I have my opinions and not every one likes them and thats just fine with me, but I will voice them when I see fit. Yes I have doubts, I always will as does everyone on here, the majority just don't say they do, the honest ones who do are in touch with reality. Only time will tell if it works or not and that applies to everyone, no exceptions.

[baxxy 0]

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It is a bona fide relationship and I have all the back up needed to prove it, so the last thing on my mind is that I will be denied. I'm 100% sure of that. Yes I agree that there is huge fraud over there, and for all I know maybe my fiancee is secretly fooling me, I do have that doubt from time to time, call it being cautious and I'd be silly if I wasn't. She was married to an American before so I'm probably at a higher risk for being used than someone whose fiancee has never been married. Every single person on here takes that chance, but time will tell I suppose. As far as my logic and stereotypes, well they're not your concern, they're mine, so chillax.

You are 100% sure of the decision the Manila consulate will make? You are navive. You personally may be ceratin that everthing is legit and I'm sure it is so, but don't ever count your chickens before they're hatched, especially where immigration is concerned.

What you think is not my concern at all. You made an ignorant statement and were called on it.

I'm sure. Thats where I don't have any doubts . Ignorant to you maybe, that's your opinion and opinion only, but I can respect that, because everyone's entitled to one without getting b1tch slapped.

[Teacher Mark 53]

Did you catch '60 Minutes' last night? There was a segment on foreign spouses who were widowed while in the process of removing the conditions of their residency. To add insult to injury, they were told at their interview that they had to leave the US as technically they were no longer married. There is a class action lawsuit against the USCIS for those in this particular situation. A couple of things didn't quite make sense though. First of all, few people who are removing conditions actually get an interview. The segment made it sound like everyone gets one. Secondly, people who get divorced after filing their I-751 are very often allowed to stay if they can prove the marriage was entered into in good faith. So is the USCIS saying you can (more than likely) stay if you get divorced but adios if you become widowed?

Thoughts?

J

Why would the person in question want to stay here if their spouse dies? Especially if they came here JUST to be with their other half. Seems like they would want to return to their homeland to be with their family. Chances are they'd end up on welfare here anyway and depending on our government to support them, God knows we have enough of our own here doing that. It makes sense to me that they should be asked to leave.

The nerve of them! Who do they think they are, a major corporation like A.I.G.?

Some of these cases are obviously a travesty of justice. I'm sure most of the Spouses would want their loved one to be able to stay. In fact I would venture that it would be their dying wish. Change can't come soon enough.

[peterg 0]

Why would the person in question want to stay here if their spouse dies? Especially if they came here JUST to be with their other half. Seems like they would want to return to their homeland to be with their family. Chances are they'd end up on welfare here anyway and depending on our government to support them, God knows we have enough of our own here doing that. It makes sense to me that they should be asked to leave.

I suppose this is an example of being to the right of Attila the Hun.

FYI: The lead in the story was a brazilian with a child born to her husband in the US. The husband had a heart attack at an early age and he died. Currently the widow is living with her in-laws who are helping in raising their grandchild. I can see absolutely no reason why a legal resident shouldn't be allowed to stay and raise her child here in the United States. Another widow's husband was killed while in Iraq on government service(I believe there are a number of widow's in the same situation). It is a great disservice to, and a great dishonour to the deceased service men to try and deport their widows.

Edited November 24, 2008 by peterg

[Gigli2008 70]

You can argue this anyway you see fit. Your relationship or whether it is a success or not does not mean a thing to me. But you would do well to revisit your posts and read what you wrote and reflect on what you wrote PRIOR to continuing on this path. I can only go by what you have written and if you are still having doubts then perhaps this is not the road to take. Your choice.

Adieu

I am well aware of what I wrote, how I feel and what my chances are of this working out. I don't stick my head in the sand like many people do on here. I am also well aware that the success, or the possible lack thereof, of my relationship means nothing to you, if it did, I'd be worried. This thread is about the 60 Minutes show and the topic that aired. You are the one that turned it around on to my relationship, and thats because you don't like my opinion on the matter at hand, so you feel you have to criticize my relationship and play on the doubts that I have, and thats ok, because thats what everyone on here does when I say something that they don't like. I'll say it again, I have my opinions and not every one likes them and thats just fine with me, but I will voice them when I see fit. Yes I have doubts, I always will as does everyone on here, the majority just don't say they do, the honest ones who do are in touch with reality. Only time will tell if it works or not and that applies to everyone, no exceptions.

Your head is stuck up so deep in the sand that painting you a picture would just not do. Like someone else said "Hello Pot, this is Kettle" If you have doubts about your spouse's intentions, you already are in a screwed up relationship. Calling immigrants uneducated exposes your loathe of immigrants and your spouse (even though she maybe educated). Your self entitlement makes me wonder why you are in a relationship with one.

Don't mistreat/deminish/talk down your spouse when she gets here.......

[JayJay 4]

Ooooh!

Well, I am removing conditions and I am divorced from the ex, the US citizen. You'll find out what happens with me... I wouldn't think I'd be deported though - why? I am totally legit - things didn't work out because of a DA situation...not my fault.

It does sound as though that 60 Minutes was talking about regular AOS though - that, I've heard of happening. But removal of conditions? Hmmm - things just don't click. I wonder if the researcher was researching properly...

[mkg265 2]

The full story was covered by NPR's "This American Life" on the 3/31/08 episode called the Audacity of Government. You can download it at audible.com or itunes.

It's great to see 60 minutes cover this story um... 8 months later.

The Brazilian woman studied to be a nurse in Florida. Apparently, Florida doesn't need this "uneducated" health care provider with a native born child.

All these women received Automatic Denial. Since 1985 it has debunked that you can deny someone "spouse status" if your spouse died. BUT... they still strip you of your status and you can't appeal.

One attorney has over 130 cases of this type of "abuse"

The NBR reporter called the media hotline for the USCIS and the head of media relations refused to allow him to tape nor would she talk to him. I wish I could refuse to do my job when its unpleasent.

[berrina 0]

Did you catch '60 Minutes' last night? There was a segment on foreign spouses who were widowed while in the process of removing the conditions of their residency. To add insult to injury, they were told at their interview that they had to leave the US as technically they were no longer married. There is a class action lawsuit against the USCIS for those in this particular situation. A couple of things didn't quite make sense though. First of all, few people who are removing conditions actually get an interview. The segment made it sound like everyone gets one. Secondly, people who get divorced after filing their I-751 are very often allowed to stay if they can prove the marriage was entered into in good faith. So is the USCIS saying you can (more than likely) stay if you get divorced but adios if you become widowed?

Thoughts?

J

I was denied US citizenship since my US born husband for 11 years passed away. At the time of his death, I was eligible for US citizenship but I was busy with his sickness and all that. I did not even think about that. When I applied for citizenship a couple of months later, I informed them I was a widow with his death certificate. When they called me for interview, I was sure I was OK when they called me to the interview, but at the interview I was denied since I partially met the criterion for "having been married to the same US spouse for 3 years and still married to him". I could not help if he passed. Class action suit? Good for them!

[baxxy 0]

You can argue this anyway you see fit. Your relationship or whether it is a success or not does not mean a thing to me. But you would do well to revisit your posts and read what you wrote and reflect on what you wrote PRIOR to continuing on this path. I can only go by what you have written and if you are still having doubts then perhaps this is not the road to take. Your choice.

Adieu

I am well aware of what I wrote, how I feel and what my chances are of this working out. I don't stick my head in the sand like many people do on here. I am also well aware that the success, or the possible lack thereof, of my relationship means nothing to you, if it did, I'd be worried. This thread is about the 60 Minutes show and the topic that aired. You are the one that turned it around on to my relationship, and thats because you don't like my opinion on the matter at hand, so you feel you have to criticize my relationship and play on the doubts that I have, and thats ok, because thats what everyone on here does when I say something that they don't like. I'll say it again, I have my opinions and not every one likes them and thats just fine with me, but I will voice them when I see fit. Yes I have doubts, I always will as does everyone on here, the majority just don't say they do, the honest ones who do are in touch with reality. Only time will tell if it works or not and that applies to everyone, no exceptions.

Your head is stuck up so deep in the sand that painting you a picture would just not do. Like someone else said "Hello Pot, this is Kettle" If you have doubts about your spouse's intentions, you already are in a screwed up relationship. Calling immigrants uneducated exposes your loathe of immigrants and your spouse (even though she maybe educated). Your self entitlement makes me wonder why you are in a relationship with one.

Don't mistreat/deminish/talk down your spouse when she gets here.......

Your statement makes as much sense as going to the tropics on vacation and bringing your snowboard and skis, idiotic. Anyone that does not question the validity of their relationship with a non USC from a country that's renowned for fraudulent marriages is the one with their head in the sand. I don't loathe immigrants at all and how you came to that assumption shows your ignorance my dear. I have not made any statement to imply that. My fiance is not my spouse, just yet anyway, and your mention of that shows you didn't even read what I posted. I happen to love my girl but I won't be of the impression of "this can't happen to me" and anyone who does is a fool. In just the last few days I've read about a couple of people who have just had that happen to them. I wonder if they had some kind of doubt or fear of this happening. As far as mistreating her when she gets, well I have never mistreated a woman in my life, my mom raised me well, but that wouldn't be any of your business anyway, now would it?

[desert_fox 32]

Most of you in this thread missed a very salient point about the 60 Minute segment. These women had not completed their initial AOS. Just a fluke in the law. Congress neither denied nor allowed for these situations. It could be easily corrected, or fixed by judicial decision. But in the interim, the USCIS is going to fight it for no good aparent reason (prob to maintain their image as not having a heart).

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Your head is stuck up so deep in the sand that painting you a picture would just not do. Like someone else said "Hello Pot, this is Kettle" .......

Actually, I think his head is stuck somwhere else.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Anyone that does not question the validity of their relationship with a non USC from a country that's renowned for fraudulent marriages is the one with their head in the sand.

Why would anyone marry someone if they are questioning the validity of their relationship? Why would someone continue a relationship if they suspected fraud? Why would one get involved with someone from a non US country it they are fearful of fraud? Did you meet this woman online? Now, who has their head in the sand? Seriously.

[Wis-Can 0]

Your head is stuck up so deep in the sand that painting you a picture would just not do. Like someone else said "Hello Pot, this is Kettle" .......

Actually, I think his head is stuck somwhere else.