60 Minutes

[shakysgirl 1]

Why would the person in question want to stay here if their spouse dies? Especially if they came here JUST to be with their other half. Seems like they would want to return to their homeland to be with their family. Chances are they'd end up on welfare here anyway and depending on our government to support them, God knows we have enough of our own here doing that. It makes sense to me that they should be asked to leave.

You have GOT to be kidding me! What about people like my husband- who now has an American child (dual British citizen) AND an American stepdaughter?! So he should just go back to the UK if I was to die tomorrow with our American child and leave his stepdaughter who he loves and who is also the half-sister of his child behind? So my full American child should lose her mother, her stepfather who she adores and her half-sister? And since my husband supports us all with his extremely good job, why the hell would you assume he (or any immigrant) would end up on welfare? You are a complete idiot.

Edited November 24, 2008 by shakysgirl

[baxxy 0]

Did you catch '60 Minutes' last night? There was a segment on foreign spouses who were widowed while in the process of removing the conditions of their residency. To add insult to injury, they were told at their interview that they had to leave the US as technically they were no longer married. There is a class action lawsuit against the USCIS for those in this particular situation. A couple of things didn't quite make sense though. First of all, few people who are removing conditions actually get an interview. The segment made it sound like everyone gets one. Secondly, people who get divorced after filing their I-751 are very often allowed to stay if they can prove the marriage was entered into in good faith. So is the USCIS saying you can (more than likely) stay if you get divorced but adios if you become widowed?

Thoughts?

J

Why would the person in question want to stay here if their spouse dies? Especially if they came here JUST to be with their other half. Seems like they would want to return to their homeland to be with their family. Chances are they'd end up on welfare here anyway and depending on our government to support them, God knows we have enough of our own here doing that. It makes sense to me that they should be asked to leave.

OK - per your timeline, your fiancee has yet to arrive here in the states. Lets speed the clock up a little. She gets here you get married and have a child. Your parents love her and they love their grandchild. You and she set up a nice little household and life is looking rosey. She likes it here and has a job and makes lots of friends. One evening on your way home, there is a bad wreck and you are killed. Does the little Mrs. just pack up and go home? Or in the cases on 60 Minutes, two died of heart conditions and one was killed while in Iraq.

Your post about "Chances are they'd end up on welfare here anyway and depending on our government to support them, God knows we have enough of our own here doing that" is shallow and ignorant.

You are apparently a newcomer to this immigration process and therefore maybe a bit naive about what it is really all about. You certainly under-estimate the abilities of many of these women who have managed to survive their entire life without you there to support them. Read and learn young'n.

Ha! I knew someone was gonna b1tch slap me, whats new. What you describe is something that will be considered AFTER her AOS, we don't plan on children for a few years. I'm not about to bring children into this world having just been with her for a few months or even a couple of years, to me thats a mistake way too many people make, even on here. Granted, there are no guarantees even after we have children that it will work out, but I will take every precaution possible to be as sure as I can that shes the one I want to be the mother of my kids. After that it's in Gods hands.

Many young girls come over here to marry and depend on USC's to support them, (sometimes that's their MO) some of them don't even have an education, so you think they're going to survive alone? no they're not. I may be young but I'm far from naive as a lot of people seem to be on here, smitten and blinded by so called "love" only to be rudely awakened by reality shortly thereafter. I have read 2 stories on here today that back me up. So yeah, I think the USCIS have a reason for doing what they do.

[baxxy 0]

I cant help but have this fear about things not working out when my fiancee arrives here, eventually. I mean shes coming here alone, she has no family or friends here, I am it for her. Now the thing is, what if things just dont work out for us here? Ive been to visit her a few times already and the most we spent together straight was 2 weeks. We had great times but that was just a vacation. You never really know anybody unless you live with them, it doesnt matter how much phone/IM communication you have. So what if things dont go like we thought? Does anyone here ever think about this? Does anyone know of this happening to anyone?

By the way, it would help if you go out and find out all you can about a church for her, are there community groups she might be interested in, are there fellow countrywomen around she can talk to etc.?

I've done all that for her, and she has also researched online the entire region of where we'll be living so she has quite a few things lined up to keep herself occupied and help her adjust. I told you shes a very smart woman

[spookyturtle 9,466]

No I didn't see the show. And who knows what the future holds, maybe she will, I doubt it somehow, shes educated and has a great job already. She knows how to find a job, is fluent in English so I highly doubt that would be a problem for her. Plus shes told me that if things don't work out, she will return to the phils to be with her family, considering that she doesn't know one other person here.

It won't apply to your fiance, but you can make that statment about a show you didn't watch or a person you know nothing about? But the women on 60 Minutes will end up on welfare? A very ignorant statement.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

[ So yeah, I think the USCIS have a reason for doing what they do.

If your case gets denied because USCIS feels it is fraudulent and that you don't have a bona fide realtionship will you agree with them or fight it? After all, you are trying to bring someone here from the Phillipines and we all know that it has an extremely high rate of fraud. Your logic and stereotypes work against you.

[baxxy 0]

No I didn't see the show. And who knows what the future holds, maybe she will, I doubt it somehow, shes educated and has a great job already. She knows how to find a job, is fluent in English so I highly doubt that would be a problem for her. Plus shes told me that if things don't work out, she will return to the phils to be with her family, considering that she doesn't know one other person here.

It won't apply to your fiance, but you can make that statment about a show you didn't watch or a person you know nothing about? But the women on 60 Minutes will end up on welfare? A very ignorant statement.

In your opinion maybe, but it is what it is, there's no avoiding facts. America is generous enough policing the whole world, and trying to create peace where we really don't have to. We don't need anymore uneducated people who come here to feed off it at the taxpayers expense. If the USC brings an immigrant here it's their responsibility to take care of them, not the U.S. taxpayers, if the USC dies before the immigrant is capable of or legally allowed to work here, yes they should be sent back no questions asked. There's a simple way to determine that of course, so that no hard working educated person willing to work is included in that bunch.

[baxxy 0]

If your case gets denied because USCIS feels it is fraudulent and that you don't have a bona fide realtionship will you agree with them or fight it? After all, you are trying to bring someone here from the Phillipines and we all know that it has an extremely high rate of fraud. Your logic and stereotypes work against you.

It is a bona fide relationship and I have all the back up needed to prove it, so the last thing on my mind is that I will be denied. I'm 100% sure of that. Yes I agree that there is huge fraud over there, and for all I know maybe my fiancee is secretly fooling me, I do have that doubt from time to time, call it being cautious and I'd be silly if I wasn't. She was married to an American before so I'm probably at a higher risk for being used than someone whose fiancee has never been married. Every single person on here takes that chance, but time will tell I suppose. As far as my logic and stereotypes, well they're not your concern, they're mine, so chillax.

[ScratchIt 12]

I cant help but have this fear about things not working out when my fiancee arrives here, eventually. I mean shes coming here alone, she has no family or friends here, I am it for her. Now the thing is, what if things just dont work out for us here? Ive been to visit her a few times already and the most we spent together straight was 2 weeks. We had great times but that was just a vacation. You never really know anybody unless you live with them, it doesnt matter how much phone/IM communication you have. So what if things dont go like we thought? Does anyone here ever think about this? Does anyone know of this happening to anyone?

By the way, it would help if you go out and find out all you can about a church for her, are there community groups she might be interested in, are there fellow countrywomen around she can talk to etc.?

I've done all that for her, and she has also researched online the entire region of where we'll be living so she has quite a few things lined up to keep herself occupied and help her adjust. I told you shes a very smart woman

After having read several of your earlier posts I responded as I did. If she is as smart as you say then she will be able to make it without you. The kids thing was an example of what could happen. Nothing to do with your plans. Your claim was that she should not be ALLOWED to remain if you died and that she would most likely end up on welfare if she did. That speaks volumes of what you think about her. These are your words, not mine:

Why would the person in question want to stay here if their spouse dies? Especially if they came here JUST to be with their other half. Seems like they would want to return to their homeland to be with their family. Chances are they'd end up on welfare here anyway and depending on our government to support them, God knows we have enough of our own here doing that. It makes sense to me that they should be asked to leave.

So you feel that she is not competent to live in America without you to support her? Good luck dude, you're gonna need it.

p.s. Did you get anywhere with the annulment yet?

p.s.s. You will find that non-physical communication is far more important than you think it is. (see 1st quote above)

[spookyturtle 9,466]

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It is a bona fide relationship and I have all the back up needed to prove it, so the last thing on my mind is that I will be denied. I'm 100% sure of that. Yes I agree that there is huge fraud over there, and for all I know maybe my fiancee is secretly fooling me, I do have that doubt from time to time, call it being cautious and I'd be silly if I wasn't. She was married to an American before so I'm probably at a higher risk for being used than someone whose fiancee has never been married. Every single person on here takes that chance, but time will tell I suppose. As far as my logic and stereotypes, well they're not your concern, they're mine, so chillax.

You are 100% sure of the decision the Manila consulate will make? You are navive. You personally may be ceratin that everthing is legit and I'm sure it is so, but don't ever count your chickens before they're hatched, especially where immigration is concerned.

What you think is not my concern at all. You made an ignorant statement and were called on it.

[CanAmCharlotte 0]

It seems I have opened up a hot topic by posting the original message. One thing that bothered me about the '60 Minute' segment itself (I didn't tape it so I'm going by memory) was that they used the expression 'removing the conditions of residency' but didn't exactly say if it was at the AOS or I-751 stage. Some things they said made me think AOS, others made me think the widows were at the I-751 stage. Practically speaking, this technical point would have been of no interest to the average viewer but still, it could have been a little clearer. Either way, I think what the USCIS is doing to these widows and widowers is barbaric. If anyone ever finds out how the class action law suit unfolds, please, please post it.

J

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No I didn't see the show. And who knows what the future holds, maybe she will, I doubt it somehow, shes educated and has a great job already. She knows how to find a job, is fluent in English so I highly doubt that would be a problem for her. Plus shes told me that if things don't work out, she will return to the phils to be with her family, considering that she doesn't know one other person here.

It won't apply to your fiance, but you can make that statment about a show you didn't watch or a person you know nothing about? But the women on 60 Minutes will end up on welfare? A very ignorant statement.

In your opinion maybe, but it is what it is, there's no avoiding facts. America is generous enough policing the whole world, and trying to create peace where we really don't have to. We don't need anymore uneducated people who come here to feed off it at the taxpayers expense. If the USC brings an immigrant here it's their responsibility to take care of them, not the U.S. taxpayers, if the USC dies before the immigrant is capable of or legally allowed to work here, yes they should be sent back no questions asked. There's a simple way to determine that of course, so that no hard working educated person willing to work is included in that bunch.

####### - now immigrants are un-educated . Do you enjoy digging holes?

[spookyturtle 9,466]

It seems I have opened up a hot topic by posting the original message. One thing that bothered me about the '60 Minute' segment itself (I didn't tape it so I'm going by memory) was that they used the expression 'removing the conditions of residency' but didn't exactly say if it was at the AOS or I-751 stage. Some things they said made me think AOS, others made me think the widows were at the I-751 stage. Practically speaking, this technical point would have been of no interest to the average viewer but still, it could have been a little clearer. Either way, I think what the USCIS is doing to these widows and widowers is barbaric. If anyone ever finds out how the class action law suit unfolds, please, please post it.

J

It is just plain retarded what they are doing. A couple can get divorced and the alien can adjust and stay, but if the citizen dies they can't? Idiotic. And Mr. Chertoff sounded like the biggest idiot of all. The government has probably spent a few hundred thousand dollars on these 3 cases, meanwhile nothing is down with the 15 million illegals. Why? Because it is easier to pick on women and children and those who follow the rules.

[baxxy 0]

I cant help but have this fear about things not working out when my fiancee arrives here, eventually. I mean shes coming here alone, she has no family or friends here, I am it for her. Now the thing is, what if things just dont work out for us here? Ive been to visit her a few times already and the most we spent together straight was 2 weeks. We had great times but that was just a vacation. You never really know anybody unless you live with them, it doesnt matter how much phone/IM communication you have. So what if things dont go like we thought? Does anyone here ever think about this? Does anyone know of this happening to anyone?

By the way, it would help if you go out and find out all you can about a church for her, are there community groups she might be interested in, are there fellow countrywomen around she can talk to etc.?

I've done all that for her, and she has also researched online the entire region of where we'll be living so she has quite a few things lined up to keep herself occupied and help her adjust. I told you shes a very smart woman

After having read several of your earlier posts I responded as I did. If she is as smart as you say then she will be able to make it without you. The kids thing was an example of what could happen. Nothing to do with your plans. Your claim was that she should not be ALLOWED to remain if you died and that she would most likely end up on welfare if she did. That speaks volumes of what you think about her. These are your words, not mine:

Why would the person in question want to stay here if their spouse dies? Especially if they came here JUST to be with their other half. Seems like they would want to return to their homeland to be with their family. Chances are they'd end up on welfare here anyway and depending on our government to support them, God knows we have enough of our own here doing that. It makes sense to me that they should be asked to leave.

So you feel that she is not competent to live in America without you to support her? Good luck dude, you're gonna need it.

p.s. Did you get anywhere with the annulment yet?

p.s.s. You will find that non-physical communication is far more important than you think it is. (see 1st quote above)

Um where did I mention that this would apply to MY fiance? I mentioned that she would be going back to the phils if anything happened to me, because thats what she would want. She is very family oriented and would not want to be alone here, but with her family. She is more than capable of supporting herself anywhere.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

We don't need anymore uneducated people who come here to feed off it at the taxpayers expense.

We have plenty of uneducated citizens too. Hell pot, this is the kettle....

Um where did I mention that this would apply to MY fiance? I mentioned that she would be going back to the phils if anything happened to me, because thats what she would want. She is very family oriented and would not want to be alone here, but with her family. She is more than capable of supporting herself anywhere.

Are you sure about that?

[baxxy 0]

####### - now immigrants are un-educated . Do you enjoy digging holes?

Yes a lot of them are unfortunately, thats why picking a USC to take care of them is an easy way out for them.