MADE IN USA PRODUCT

[rocks 494]

both gm and toyota are multinational corporations.

Multinational corporation (MNC) or transnational corporation (TNC) is a corporation or enterprise that manages production or delivers services in more than one country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinational_corporation

very few big corporate companies have production or sales inside one country, that's just how globalisation works. although toyota's headquarters are in japan and gm's headquarters are in michigan, they are both multinationals and therefore do not belong to any specific country.

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

And they run on the sweat of polar bears. I hear the fuel is hard to get in the US.

mine run on baby seal oil.

90's car on old technology. pft. sooooo last decade.

the new one runs on canadians. step back here by the fillup hatch.......

[Heracles 417]

I was having a talk with a colleague a couple of days ago, and the subject was about Made in USA product.

While I was at the Great Mall, I saw this T-shirt with a "MADE IN USA LOGO"

When I checked the tag, it said" MADE IN SALVADOR with USA material.

I drive a Toyota Camry, it was built in Columbus Ohio

His GM car was made in Mexico.

The question got to the argument, which one of these 2 cars are AMERICAN.

His say. You have to look at where the profit is going, with the GM cars the money will go to the shareholders, which is global.

With the TOYOTA camry the profit will also go to the shareholders but THOUSANDS of families out here are making a living earning Decent living wages from TOYOTA

SO which one of these 2 cars is AMERICAN?

It should be made in America when they use 80% of American labor.

This also raises another issue about free trade. We should only have free trade agreements when the other countries have reciprocal measures for American companies and imports. The number of times I have read how American products imported to x country are taxed while their goods come here tax / tariff free is a joke.

Free trade needs to be scrapped and replaced with fair trade. You tax our goods 10%, we tax your goods 10% etc.

[mawilson 2,133]

GM profits pay the salaries of American CEOs and the pensions and healthcare costs for thousands of retired GM workers.

On average, GM pays $70-80 an hour in wages and benefits to US workers (the number includes pension and retiree medical costs.)

Toyota's total hourly labor costs, with benefits, are about $35 an hour -- less than half of GM's rates.

Yeah, and which company is about to go belly up with their hand out to the government and which one continues on making cars with little worry? hmmmm?

Who says Toyota won't be bailed out by the Japanese government?

Germany is going to bail out Opel. China’s car industry is pressing Beijing for help.

France bailed out Renault in the '80s to the tune of $5 billion in today’s money.

[Nessa 23]

american products are a myth

[Amby 490]

american products are a myth

I'm getting a "made in the USA" tat on my azz

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

american products are a myth

i got an "american product" for you.

[john & jean 37]

american products are a myth

i got an "american product" for you.

[buckeye6976 0]

I know some Honda's are built in Marysville, but I don't know anything about Toyota's being built around Columbus.

As for GM, Ford and Chrysler will they still be considered Genuine American if or when the Chinese buy one or all of them?

[MrsCat 6]

And they run on the sweat of polar bears. I hear the fuel is hard to get in the US.

mine run on baby seal oil.

90's car on old technology. pft. sooooo last decade.

the new one runs on canadians. step back here by the fillup hatch.......

hope you don't mind the methane smell charles.

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

And they run on the sweat of polar bears. I hear the fuel is hard to get in the US.

mine run on baby seal oil.

90's car on old technology. pft. sooooo last decade.

the new one runs on canadians. step back here by the fillup hatch.......

hope you don't mind the methane smell charles.

i get 25 mpc. 25 miles per canadian

[DeadPoolX 9]

GM profits pay the salaries of American CEOs and the pensions and healthcare costs for thousands of retired GM workers.

On average, GM pays $70-80 an hour in wages and benefits to US workers (the number includes pension and retiree medical costs.)

Toyota's total hourly labor costs, with benefits, are about $35 an hour -- less than half of GM's rates.

Yeah, and which company is about to go belly up with their hand out to the government and which one continues on making cars with little worry? hmmmm?

So... let's see here. GM pays a higher wage with benefits including a pension and retiree medical costs and may need government assistance. Wow. That sounds an awful lot like Canadian enterprises, doesn't it? I've seen many companies in Canada -- from film to manufacturing -- getting help from the government and offering higher payment with included benefits.

[Reba 2]

And they're not about to go belly up and put millions of workers around the world out on the street

My point is not just the bailout and whining by the auto makers to get it. My point is, that both Toyota and GM employ Americans here in America. Sure, one may pay a couple dollars more per hour, but they also pay their C levels multi-million dollar bonuses every year that are not necessarily earned. They also seem to have mismanaged some funds, and counted their chickens before their eggs. Toyota and Honda are having no such problems.

It is an open secret in the Motor City that — even leaving aside its high labor costs, surplus of brands, and bloated dealer network — GM’s manufacturing culture is inefficient compared to foreign rivals Toyota and Honda. Conversations with numerous supplier reps confirm an antiquated Detroit culture that does not thoroughly engineer products before contracting production with suppliers. As a result, production runs for Detroit automakers like GM are frequently interrupted to change specifications. Those interruptions add costs — costs that Japanese manufacturers rarely incur. The problem is so prevalent that employees for JCI — major international supplier Johnson Controls, Inc. — often joke that their acronym stands for “Just Change It” because its American clients routinely run up unnecessary costs by altering production contracts.

source (I have no idea who this guy is, it just came up when I searched, and pretty much says what I've been hearing for quite some time about American auto makers, even before this year's crash)

When GM falls, it not only takes the US down with it, but hundres upon thousands of workers around the world. Not just GM workers, but workers from supplier companies, and then the towns etc etc etc...its already happening. Thousands of auto workers in Canada are out of jobs already because of GM, Ford and Chrysler "downsizing". Parts manufacturers have closed up shop because they have no one ot make parts for. And yet, the Toyota and Honda plants are still open and still making cars. Those folks still have a paycheque. Where are all those GM people going to go, if the only employer in town was the GM plant? hmmmmmm...?

[Emancipation 2]

GM profits pay the salaries of American CEOs and the pensions and healthcare costs for thousands of retired GM workers.

On average, GM pays $70-80 an hour in wages and benefits to US workers (the number includes pension and retiree medical costs.)

Toyota's total hourly labor costs, with benefits, are about $35 an hour -- less than half of GM's rates.

Yeah, and which company is about to go belly up with their hand out to the government and which one continues on making cars with little worry? hmmmm?

So... let's see here. GM pays a higher wage with benefits including a pension and retiree medical costs and may need government assistance. Wow. That sounds an awful lot like Canadian enterprises, doesn't it? I've seen many companies in Canada -- from film to manufacturing -- getting help from the government and offering higher payment with included benefits.

it's beginning to look a lot like Canada... everywhere you go

[Niels Bohr 72]

American Product? Never heard of it. ROFL.

If there is one, it wouldn't be very high quality. They like to reduce quality and jack up the prices. It's hard for an American company to produce quality goods when they need to pay a high hourly wage to their employees while maintaining a high profit. Look at WalMart, the product line that they carry is about average and Walmart is barely making a profit on each one. They counter the lack of profit by high volume sales of that average product instead. No wonder these companies are outsourcing, well, and the lack of qualified people working.

People in the US prefer cheap stuff that's why anything American made is hardly reliable except for a few things.

Edited November 24, 2008 by Niels Bohr