Freedom of Movement in the MENA Countries?

[Nothing1234 2]

Classic example of people reading one hadith and not the others. I guess these "scholars" have ignored the fact that there is a hadith stating that "your wife has a right over you".

Or maybe that got lost in translation?

Or thrown in the trash?

Or its not "authentic" enough?

Its called having love and compassion for your wife. One shouldn't need a hadith to tell a husband when it is OK (apparently any time except when the woman has her period ) to have sex with his wife.

Zee, always the quiet but elegant voice of reason.

[jundp 191]

Classic example of people reading one hadith and not the others. I guess these "scholars" have ignored the fact that there is a hadith stating that "your wife has a right over you".

Or maybe that got lost in translation?

Or thrown in the trash?

Or its not "authentic" enough?

Its called having love and compassion for your wife. One shouldn't need a hadith to tell a husband when it is OK (apparently any time except when the woman has her period ) to have sex with his wife.

Indeed.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

Zee & Annie & Jen!

[Aymsgirl 0]

Classic example of people reading one hadith and not the others. I guess these "scholars" have ignored the fact that there is a hadith stating that "your wife has a right over you".

Or maybe that got lost in translation?

Or thrown in the trash?

Or its not "authentic" enough?

Its called having love and compassion for your wife. One shouldn't need a hadith to tell a husband when it is OK (apparently any time except when the woman has her period ) to have sex with his wife.

Indeed.

I agree.....for the person who asked the question about the rape....well take it as you may but after reading Ihavequestions reply it sounds forceful to me....such as a man forcing himself like my husband said like an animal on his wife instead of treating her kindly and compassionate because she has needs and emotions as well. My husband by no means claims to be a scholar he is just giving the law point of view and right for the woman from his experience as an attorney.

[HLM 1]

If they only know the many beautiful hadiths about how to start by kissing ur wife n do get into her like an animal or how whenever u n ur partner kiss or hold hands Allah takes away from ur sins and looks down upon u in mercy..... Love in islam is the most romantic and the most pure i have ever seen!

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

If they only know the many beautiful hadiths about how to start by kissing ur wife n do get into her like an animal or how whenever u n ur partner kiss or hold hands Allah takes away from ur sins and looks down upon u in mercy..... Love in islam is the most romantic and the most pure i have ever seen!

HLM! Tell us more! I wub love stories!

My Husband before marriage was always respectful of me. Always polite. Never cussed. Always thoughtful. Very gentleman. When we got married the first thing he did was smell my hair and start kissing it. LOLZ! I thought it was so funny and strange a common for our first encounter. Now looking back it was incredibly romantic.

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If they only know the many beautiful hadiths about how to start by kissing ur wife n do get into her like an animal or how whenever u n ur partner kiss or hold hands Allah takes away from ur sins and looks down upon u in mercy..... Love in islam is the most romantic and the most pure i have ever seen!

I agree...I tried finding one of the articles that talks about them on that website but couldn't find it.

I only posted up the ones I did, because someone suggested that in Sharia law, or Egyptian law, that a man can beat his wife and rape her if she doesn't submit to him.

As we can all see, by the hadiths and fatwas, that is absolutely not true.

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I agree.....for the person who asked the question about the rape....well take it as you may but after reading Ihavequestions reply it sounds forceful to me....such as a man forcing himself like my husband said like an animal on his wife instead of treating her kindly and compassionate because she has needs and emotions as well. My husband by no means claims to be a scholar he is just giving the law point of view and right for the woman from his experience as an attorney.

Yes, I went back and read where someone said that according to Sharia and Egyptian law that a man can rape and beat his wife...sheesh! I also read your husband's reply and agree with it wholeheartedly. I knew where he was getting his information from, but I wanted to find it where it's quoted and referenced, so I looked up those fatwas. Also, this way I can't be accused of lecturing people or trying to teach them religion, yada yada yada... it's there from a well known source, not from me!

[KHPerfectMatch 1]

According to my husband (who isn't a lawyer, but has 47 years of experience with the Egyptian legal system) 70% of Egyptian law is based on Colonial FRENCH LAW. Shariah is the NOT the basis for MOST laws in Egypt.

In recent years NEW LAWS are being reviewed by Religious Scholars for COMMENT, but according to my husband the ONLY time that Shariah is imposed 100% is in matters of INHERITANCE.

Tasha, check with Ayman and see what he says... but H is saying that anyone who says Egypt follows SHARIAH LAW is WAYYYYYYYYYYY off base...

[notime4haterz 0]

According to my husband (who isn't a lawyer, but has 47 years of experience with the Egyptian legal system) 70% of Egyptian law is based on Colonial FRENCH LAW. Shariah is the NOT the basis for MOST laws in Egypt.

In recent years NEW LAWS are being reviewed by Religious Scholars for COMMENT, but according to my husband the ONLY time that Shariah is imposed 100% is in matters of INHERITANCE.

Tasha, check with Ayman and see what he says... but H is saying that anyone who says Egypt follows SHARIAH LAW is WAYYYYYYYYYYY off base...

Karamella, that's SO interesting...I'm SO glad you pointed that out!

Is this Colonial French law similar to the old laws followed by the British where women were basically chattel? with no rights whatsoever???

[KHPerfectMatch 1]

According to my husband (who isn't a lawyer, but has 47 years of experience with the Egyptian legal system) 70% of Egyptian law is based on Colonial FRENCH LAW. Shariah is the NOT the basis for MOST laws in Egypt.

In recent years NEW LAWS are being reviewed by Religious Scholars for COMMENT, but according to my husband the ONLY time that Shariah is imposed 100% is in matters of INHERITANCE.

Tasha, check with Ayman and see what he says... but H is saying that anyone who says Egypt follows SHARIAH LAW is WAYYYYYYYYYYY off base...

Karamella, that's SO interesting...I'm SO glad you pointed that out!

Is this Colonial French law similar to the old laws followed by the British where women were basically chattel? with no rights whatsoever???

AYWA KIDA! That's the one... came to Egypt with Napoleon and has stayed around ever since... so we have Egyptian women treated like FRENCH PROPERTY, not as the beloved and protected daughters of the Prophet (as they should be).... And after the French left the British Colonized Egypt, so they probably added to the mess... I'll try to find something historically accurate on this... but be ASSURED, Egypt laws are NOT Sharia based... And Sharia law may not even be enforceable...

According to my husband the Ulema of the Azhar are OFTEN in disagreement with Egyptian laws.

K

[notime4haterz 0]

According to my husband (who isn't a lawyer, but has 47 years of experience with the Egyptian legal system) 70% of Egyptian law is based on Colonial FRENCH LAW. Shariah is the NOT the basis for MOST laws in Egypt.

In recent years NEW LAWS are being reviewed by Religious Scholars for COMMENT, but according to my husband the ONLY time that Shariah is imposed 100% is in matters of INHERITANCE.

Tasha, check with Ayman and see what he says... but H is saying that anyone who says Egypt follows SHARIAH LAW is WAYYYYYYYYYYY off base...

Karamella, that's SO interesting...I'm SO glad you pointed that out!

Is this Colonial French law similar to the old laws followed by the British where women were basically chattel? with no rights whatsoever???

AYWA KIDA! That's the one... came to Egypt with Napoleon and has stayed around ever since... so we have Egyptian women treated like FRENCH PROPERTY, not as the beloved and protected daughters of the Prophet (as they should be).... And after the French left the British Colonized Egypt, so they probably added to the mess... I'll try to find something historically accurate on this... but be ASSURED, Egypt laws are NOT Sharia based... And Sharia law may not even be enforceable...

According to my husband the Ulema of the Azhar are OFTEN in disagreement with Egyptian laws.

K

I'm no history buff and I don't follow politics too much. But my understanding was that Egypt was not a country governed by Sharia law...but then some people said it was, and I thought, "That's strange..." Because the little bit I know of the country, is that in the past they have imprisoned, tortured, and killed many people who protested the government and fought for Egypt to become governed by Islam and Sharia law.

[KHPerfectMatch 1]

On a more pleasant note.... Here's a Fatwa that should come in a frame and be put up on the bedroom wall.... tehehehehehehehehehehehe

From: http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/kissf.htm

Question: My husband does not like foreplay, kissing on the mouth, or much of anything of that sort, but I would like him to have a desire for these things with me. I have told him several times in a humble way, but I am very shy to tell him again and I feel embarrassed to ask him.

He is religious, though, and may listen to religious advice. Are there any sunnahs that he can read, about playfulness with one’s wife, in regards to the intimacy that leads to intercourse? I am hoping that by understanding and following our Prophet’s (SAWS) example, my husband will not feel shy anymore, inshallah.

Answer: In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

Foreplay between the spouses before actually engaging into sexual intercourse is immensely important (especially for the wife) and a vital ingredient for a happy and prosperous marriage, that which should never be neglected.

The husband should sexually arouse his wife before having sex. It is indeed unselfish on the husband’s part that he fulfils his sexual needs and desires, whilst his wife remains unsatisfied and discontented. Failure in satisfying the wife can have terrible consequences on one’s marriage.

It should be remembered that, just as Islam has given the husband his right of sexual intimacy, and extreme emphasis has been laid upon the wife to obey her husband in his request for sexual intimacy, at the same time, Islam also recognizes a woman’s need of love, affection and foreplay. It is quite common in men to demand their sexual rights, but they should also see whether they are giving their women their rights in bed.

The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) also encouraged foreplay between the spouses.

Sayyiduna Jabir ibn Abd Allah (Allah be pleased with him) narrates: “I was in the company of the messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) in a battle……The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said to me: “Did you marry?” I answered: “yes”. He said: “A virgin or a non-virgin?” I said: “A non-virgin”. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Why not a virgin so that you may play with her and she can play with you?”… (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 1991)

The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) also stated:

“Every game a person plays is futile except for archery, training one’s horse and playing with one’s wife”. (Sunan Tirmidhi, Musnad Ahmad, Sunan Ibn Majah).

Imam al-Daylami (Allah have mercy on him) records a narration on the authority of Anas ibn Malik (Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) is reported to have said: “One of you should not fulfil one’s (sexual) need from one’s wife like an animal, rather there should be between them foreplay of kissing and words.” (Musnad al-Firdaws Of al-Daylami, 2/55)

Imam Ibn al-Qayyim (Allah have mercy on him) reports in his famous “Tibb al-Nabawi” that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) forbade from engaging in sexual intercourse before foreplay. (See: al-Tibb al-Nabawi, 183, from Jabir ibn Abd Allah)

There are many ways and methods that can be exercised during foreplay, and it is best that we leave this to the mutual understanding of the spouses, as each individual differs from another in exactly what arouses and stimulates him/her, although the prohibited acts must be avoided.

However, as the questioner has asked about kissing, I would like to end the article on a few notes with regards to it.

Kissing one’s spouse is also of utmost importance during foreplay and also in general. It is a Sunnah of our blessed Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace).

Sayyida A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) would kiss one of his wives and then leave for prayer (salat) without performing ablution (wudu). Urwa says that I asked A’isha: “It must have been you?” (Upon hearing this) A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) smiled.”(Sunan al-Tirmidhi, no. 86, Sunan Abu Dawud, no. 181 & Sunan al-Nasa’i, no. 170))

Sayyida A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) says: “The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) would kiss me before leaving for prayers, and he would not perform an ablution.” (Sunan al-Darqutni, 1/49 and others)

The above two narrations indicate the recommendation of kissing one’s spouse. They also show the importance of greeting the wife when entering the house with a kiss and departing with a kiss. This was the Sunnah of the beloved of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace). Thus, it is inappropriate for husbands to leave the home in a hurry without even greeting the wife in a proper manner with hugs and kisses, and then entering the house with the first question on whether the food is cooked or not, or whether had someone called, etc…

Passionate kissing (or French kissing) is also the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace).

Sayyida A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) would kiss her whilst he was fasting (m, refer to the fiqh of kissing during fast) and he would suck her tongue.” (Sunan Abu Dawud, no. 2378)

Allama al-Munawi (Allah have mercy on him) states:

“Foreplay and passionate kissing before sexual intercourse is an emphatic Sunnah (sunnah muakkada), and it is disliked (makruh) to do otherwise.” (Faidh al-Qadir, 5/115, See: Hadith no. 6536)

In conclusion, it is important that your husband fulfils your right of foreplay and kissing. It is not something that he should be shy or reluctant about. Some individuals regard practices related to foreplay to be “inappropriate” and consider abstinence from such activities to be from piety (taqwa).

However, this is totally incorrect, for who can possibly be more pious, pure and God-fearing than the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace), yet not only did he encourage foreplay, etc, but practically engaged in it with his wives, as we have learnt from the many narrations quoted above.

Thus, it is not a sign of piety to abstain from such activities, for there is no place for monasticism (rahbaniyya) in Islam. It is a practical religion where one may fulfil his/her needs in a permissible way. Explain to your husband in a kind and gentle manner, that prosperity in this world and the hereafter lies in following the example of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace).

And Allah Knows Best

Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari

Darul Iftaa, Leicester, UK

[notime4haterz 0]

Fabulous post!

Actually, in my bedroom, I do have one aya hanging, which is the ever popular one:

"And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect. "

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Staashi apparently we have some Expats on here that could help shed light on the truth of some regions they live in. HLM is an Egyptian Expat in America now, and ninoquinn is an American? Expat living in Egypt, and there was another American? Expat living in Egypt names Aisha who commented in my Human Rights in Egypt thread several months ago. Who else... isn't Henia an American? Expat in Algeria as well? I'd like to hear from them.

Jeanne I don't know if Wael is right. Maybe legally but socially there are some constraints. I can recall one such incident where my Husband restricted my freedom of movement in his friend Waleed's house in Hurghada. I had just taken a shower and some men came over to clean the apartment and fix some electricity they said. So my Husband put me in the spare room and told me to stay in there until the men leave. I was locked in there for an hour before I had to open the window to the balcony to get some air in my dungeon. The men were taking some time. My Husband patrolled the balcony and would not let me even stick my arm out the window to let them see me. It was very controlling but gentle and I didn't understand what was going on but apparently if the men knew that there was a western woman in the apartment of two Egyptian Males they may seek the police because morally it looks bad even if I am the wife of one of the Egyptians. We were newlyweds visiting and we didn't have our marriage contract with us because it was in process in Cairo for translation to English.

Wael is right you are free to travel to anywhere.

well i think maybe cause MENA men are kinda jealous and they don't like any another man to see their wives at least at their homes .

well Egyptian police will not do anything when it comes to a foreign woman or man especially if they are American . cause the Egyptian police will not get enveloped when it comes to American citizen .

I don't know if that is true or not kiddo-- Hubby and I went to Egypt with his brother, we stayed in a hotel- they were going to make us stay in separate rooms till he produced the marriage documents... then they kept my passport till they could make copies of it! His brother came into our room to watch a movie and "room service" brought us all drinks. sorry--But when I asked my husband WHY they were so nosy about everything, he said it was because they could call the police if "anything were going on" and we would all be in a lot of trouble then! But I must say he NEVER leaves my side for longer than a few minutes when I am with him. I chalk it up to he just can't go any amount of time without me since I am such a looker! HA HA! He has never had a problem with me showing myself in public-I do tend to dress rather modestly out of my own respect for myself-- I almost always have! However in Jordan I drove his brother to pick up dinner and really wasn't concerned that I was with my bro-in-law not my husband-- maybe I am just a naieve american girl in a foreign country--my 2nd HOME!?!

GOnna keep reading so I can see what others say!