VISA APPLICATION DENIED

[motu 5]

The USCIS does not issue visas. The Department of State does. You should make arrangements to go with here the next time she can get to the embassy. Your fiance, obviously did not convince the consular officer that the relationship was legit. I have never seen this happen in Bogota. I would go there myself and take a buttload of evidence.

I agree with Joe but disagree with taking a 'buttload' as it may be very painful. Take a boatload instead! Bogota is normally very easy to get through - so go with her the next time and take a lot more stuff with you. Good Luck

[morocco4ever 63]

By Law,

Once USCIS approves the Visa.... THEY CAN NOT DENY IT.... THEY CAN ONLY DELAY IT.. WHICH CAN BE A LONG TIME....

Not true. First, the USCIS does NOT issue or approve visas, but does however review and approve / disaprove petitions for visas. After the USCIS approves a petition it goes to the NVC, who then sends it to the appropriate consulate, where paperwork is passed to the beneficiary, and an interview scheduled.

During that interview, the VO and deny, pass, or recommend a revocation of the visa. If the visa is denied or revoked, they must provide both the reason and what's needed to overcome it.

you do not know what you are talking about... LOOK at your own quote....

USCIS does not approve visas or deny them..... Then later in your quote you state this...

After the USCIS approves a petition it goes to the NVC, who then sends it to the appropriate consulate, where paperwork is passed to the beneficiary..

Do not listen to this person...

The facts are it is sent back to USCIS if they feel it should not have been approved.. they do not have the right to deny an approved application by descretion.... " If they do.. they must have HARD FACTS!!! Like evidence of FRAUD, or Medical reasons in her medical exam..... or Lack of Income..... If they do not have hard evidence.. they must give the eligble IMMIGRANT her VISA......

It seems that you both are trying to say the same thing, but the wording is off, thats all.

In a nutshell the USCIS can deny the petition (even after they approved it) and the consulate can deny the visa.

First, the USCIS does not approve Visas, only petitions that qualify the person for the visa. The Consulate can deny visa on just about anything, but cannot deny the visa based on an I-130/I-129F that they suspect is fraud, they can if they have solid proof, which is hard to prove with fraud. If they suspect fraud they will send it back to the USCIS for further review, which at that point the USCIS could possibly deny/rovoke/reverse (which ever term you prefer) their initial approval of the I-130/I-129F, but not the visa. Once they have reversed the I-130/I-129F then you have no more established eligiblity to receive a visa, so it won't be issued.

Whew!!!

[Yaads 0]

By Law,

Once USCIS approves the Visa.... THEY CAN NOT DENY IT.... THEY CAN ONLY DELAY IT.. WHICH CAN BE A LONG TIME....

Not true. First, the USCIS does NOT issue or approve visas, but does however review and approve / disaprove petitions for visas. After the USCIS approves a petition it goes to the NVC, who then sends it to the appropriate consulate, where paperwork is passed to the beneficiary, and an interview scheduled.

During that interview, the VO and deny, pass, or recommend a revocation of the visa. If the visa is denied or revoked, they must provide both the reason and what's needed to overcome it.

you do not know what you are talking about... LOOK at your own quote....

USCIS does not approve visas or deny them..... Then later in your quote you state this...

After the USCIS approves a petition it goes to the NVC, who then sends it to the appropriate consulate, where paperwork is passed to the beneficiary..

Do not listen to this person...

The facts are it is sent back to USCIS if they feel it should not have been approved.. they do not have the right to deny an approved application by descretion.... " If they do.. they must have HARD FACTS!!! Like evidence of FRAUD, or Medical reasons in her medical exam..... or Lack of Income..... If they do not have hard evidence.. they must give the eligble IMMIGRANT her VISA......

It seems that you both are trying to say the same thing, but the wording is off, thats all.

In a nutshell the USCIS can deny the petition (even after they approved it) and the consulate can deny the visa.

First, the USCIS does not approve Visas, only petitions that qualify the person for the visa. The Consulate can deny visa on just about anything, but cannot deny the visa based on an I-130/I-129F that they suspect is fraud, they can if they have solid proof, which is hard to prove with fraud. If they suspect fraud they will send it back to the USCIS for further review, which at that point the USCIS could possibly deny/rovoke/reverse (which ever term you prefer) their initial approval of the I-130/I-129F, but not the visa. Once they have reversed the I-130/I-129F then you have no more established eligiblity to receive a visa, so it won't be issued.

Whew!!!

Well said!

I agree...take as much information/proof as you can gather and head down to Colombia to be there with her next time. Good Luck

[LibCampFireClub 635]

Well said!

I agree...take as much information/proof as you can gather and head down to Colombia to be there with her next time. Good Luck

The USCIS approves or denies PETITIONS for Visa. If a petition for Visa is denied, a Visa will NOT be issued by DOS (department of state), which is the only agency authorized to issue visas in the US. The USCIS does not approve, deny, or issue visas. Rather, the NVC, which is under the umbrella of DOS does that.

[almaty 19]

i got a 221g....i was able to take care of it and not have to go to the consulate...the co had a recommendation to return to usa for denial.......attend is a must in this circumstane if possible...

[morocco4ever 63]

Well said!

I agree...take as much information/proof as you can gather and head down to Colombia to be there with her next time. Good Luck

The USCIS approves or denies PETITIONS for Visa. If a petition for Visa is denied, a Visa will NOT be issued by DOS (department of state), which is the only agency authorized to issue visas in the US. The USCIS does not approve, deny, or issue visas. Rather, the NVC, which is under the umbrella of DOS does that.

The NVC approves, deny, or issue visas? Well if thats the case why do they forward it to the consulate? I can't say I have heard of 1 visa issued from the NVC. Anyone else?

Now the consulates are under the umbrella of the DOS, and they DO approve, deny, or issue visas.

[Nooner 0]

update, Request for additional proof of Relationship

She can set another appointment, Perhaps I need to attend.

Phone bills, passport stamps etc I had all that in the package

Maybe we are not denied

By Law,

Once USCIS approves the Visa.... THEY CAN NOT DENY IT.... THEY CAN ONLY DELAY IT.. WHICH CAN BE A LONG TIME....

They can refer it back to USCIS if they feel it should not have been approved... For instance fraud.. If they feel the relationship is not real.... OR.. If you are not financially able to support her and they feel she would become a public charge... . this is really the ONLY way they can deny it....... IF THEY FEEL SHE WILL BECOME A PUBLIC CHARGE......

AS FAR AS YOUR SITUATION..... ITS A DELAY TACTIC ...... ONCE YOU SHOW THEM THE RELATIONSHIP IS VALID..... AND GO THERE YOURSELF WITH HER.... AND BRING PHOTOS OF YOU TOGETHER... AIRLINE TICKETS AND LETTERS FROM FRIENDS AND FAMILY MEMBERS OF BOTH PARTIES STATING THEY SEEN YOU TOGETHER OR THEY HAVE KNOWN ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP TOGETHER WITH HER AND THEY TESTIFY IN WRITING THAT THE RELATIONSHIP IS REAL.....

THEY WILL GIVE HER THE VISA......

BASICALLY UNTIL YOU OVERCOME THE DOUBT.... THEY WILL DELAY IT OR SEND IT BACK TO USCIS AND HAVE THEM DENY THE VISA.....

USCIS does NOT approve the visa. They simply approve the petition based on prima facia evidence that is provided to them. If the CO determines that additional information is needed, or that based on additional FACTS (or suspicion) obtained prior to visa issuance they have full authority to DENY or delay the visa or send it back to USCIS.

[Nooner 0]

you do not know what you are talking about... LOOK at your own quote....

USCIS does not approve visas or deny them..... Then later in your quote you state this...

After the USCIS approves a petition it goes to the NVC, who then sends it to the appropriate consulate, where paperwork is passed to the beneficiary..

Do not listen to this person...

The facts are it is sent back to USCIS if they feel it should not have been approved.. they do not have the right to deny an approved application by descretion.... " If they do.. they must have HARD FACTS!!! Like evidence of FRAUD, or Medical reasons in her medical exam..... or Lack of Income..... If they do not have hard evidence.. they must give the eligble IMMIGRANT her VISA......

By Law,

Dude...where the hell did you come from? YOU do not know what your talking about. A PETITION and a VISA are not the same things! The petition contains very limited information and is primarily based on simple evidence that based on prima facia your case is approvable:

1.) you met

2.) the relationship APPEARS genuine

3.) both of you are free to marry

There is much more involved once you make it to the Consulate.

1.)He or she is healthy

2.)Clean police history

3.)Verification of iden.

4.)Background investigation

5.)Personal interview

6.)Immigration forms and applications SUBMITTED BY the FIANCE(E)

7.)Proof of financial support

8.)Affirmation or oath

ONLY after the CO is satisfied that based on the approved PETITION and subsequent information will they issue a VISA. There are many other condiditons in which either USCIS can revoke an approved petition or the CO cany deny the visa but those are beyond the scope of this thread so we won't even go there.

Before you spout erroneous information and tell someone they don't know what they are talking about you need to educated yourself. Just let me know and I'd be much more than HAPPY to provide you with the documented evidence of why you are wrong.

[mr4422 0]

NVC is the end all and be all of any approvals or denials for any and all PETISAS! so .. there!

So, you ask, what is a PETISA? its when NVC takes control of both the PETition and the vISA process, as it must do, since many of you claim that the NVC is the approver of all things immigration related.

<ok, so i making a bad attempt at a stupid joke, its 12:30am and I still have 10.5hrs of work left>

[aussiewench 9]

To clear things up as far as USCIS and consular posts re approving and denying.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/laws/telegrams/telegrams_1388.html

6. In adjudicating visa cases involving petitions, posts should

bear in mind three important factors: A. the consular officer''s

role in the petition process is to determine if there is

substantial evidence relevant to petition validity not

previously considered by DHS, and not to merely readjudicate the

petition; B. the memo supporting the petition return must

clearly show the factual and concrete reasons for recommending

revocation (observations made by the consular officer cannot be

conclusive, speculative, equivocal or irrelevant) and; C.

consular officers must provide to the applicant in writing as

full an explanation as possible of the legal and factual basis

for the visa denial and petition return. Post must maintain a

copy of the returned petition, other evidence relevant to the

case, and a copy of the written notification of the denial.

No readjudication of petitions

7. In general, an approved petition will be considered by

consular officers as prima facie evidence that the requirements

for classification - which are examined in the petition process

- have been met. Where Congress has placed responsibility and

authority with DHS to determine whether the requirements for

status which are examined in the petition process have been met,

consular officers do not have the authority to question the

approval of petitions without specific evidence, generally

unavailable to DHS at the time of petition approval, that the

beneficiary may not be entitled to status (see 9 FAM 41.53, Note

2, 41.54 Note 3.2-2, 41.55 Note 8, 41.56 Note 10, 41.57 Note 6,

and 42.43 Note 2) due to fraud, changes in circumstances or

clear error on the part of DHS in approving the petition.

Conoffs should not assume that a petition should be revoked

simply because they would have reached a different decision if

adjudicating the petition.

Edited February 11, 2006 by aussiewench

[scorpio232 0]

you do not know what you are talking about... LOOK at your own quote....

USCIS does not approve visas or deny them..... Then later in your quote you state this...

After the USCIS approves a petition it goes to the NVC, who then sends it to the appropriate consulate, where paperwork is passed to the beneficiary..

Do not listen to this person...

The facts are it is sent back to USCIS if they feel it should not have been approved.. they do not have the right to deny an approved application by descretion.... " If they do.. they must have HARD FACTS!!! Like evidence of FRAUD, or Medical reasons in her medical exam..... or Lack of Income..... If they do not have hard evidence.. they must give the eligble IMMIGRANT her VISA......

By Law,

Dude...where the hell did you come from? YOU do not know what your talking about. A PETITION and a VISA are not the same things! The petition contains very limited information and is primarily based on simple evidence that based on prima facia your case is approvable:

1.) you met

2.) the relationship APPEARS genuine

3.) both of you are free to marry

There is much more involved once you make it to the Consulate.

1.)He or she is healthy

2.)Clean police history

3.)Verification of iden.

4.)Background investigation

5.)Personal interview

6.)Immigration forms and applications SUBMITTED BY the FIANCE(E)

7.)Proof of financial support

8.)Affirmation or oath

ONLY after the CO is satisfied that based on the approved PETITION and subsequent information will they issue a VISA. There are many other condiditons in which either USCIS can revoke an approved petition or the CO cany deny the visa but those are beyond the scope of this thread so we won't even go there.

Before you spout erroneous information and tell someone they don't know what they are talking about you need to educated yourself. Just let me know and I'd be much more than HAPPY to provide you with the documented evidence of why you are wrong.

Dude...

You are the one not knowing what you are talking about.. If you read what Aussie just sent in the post ... Its pretty much exactly what I am saying.... They can not just deny an approved petition just because they want too... They must have hard evidence to DENY the Visa.... This not a NON Immigrant Visa.... IDIOT.....

IF it was... They can deny it for the simple fact they dont like you.... They can not make those types of judgements as they do with NON Immigrant Visas, when it comes to K Visas.... IDIOT........ So EDUCATE YOURSELF .......

Dude...where the hell did you come from? YOU do not know what your talking about. A PETITION and a VISA are not the same things! The petition contains very limited information and is primarily based on simple evidence that based on prima facia your case is approvable:

1.) you met

2.) the relationship APPEARS genuine

3.) both of you are free to marry

There is much more involved once you make it to the Consulate.

1.)He or she is healthy

2.)Clean police history

3.)Verification of iden.

4.)Background investigation

5.)Personal interview

6.)Immigration forms and applications SUBMITTED BY the FIANCE(E)

7.)Proof of financial support

8.)Affirmation or oath

ONLY after the CO is satisfied that based on the approved PETITION and subsequent information will they issue a VISA. There are many other condiditons in which either USCIS can revoke an approved petition or the CO cany deny the visa but those are beyond the scope of this thread so we won't even go there.

Before you spout erroneous information and tell someone they don't know what they are talking about you need to educated yourself. Just let me know and I'd be much more than HAPPY to provide you with the documented evidence of why you are wrong.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK THEY CAN JUST DENY AND APPROVE ANYONE THEY WISH WHEN IT COMES TO K VISAS..... READ WHAT AUSSIE SAID..... ITS PRETTY MUCH WHAT I AM SAYING.... AND ITS FACTS........ YOU ARE THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED......

[scorpio232 0]

THINK ABOUT IT?

WHY WOULD THEY ASK THEM TO COME BACK WITH MORE PROOF????

THEY DO NOT ASK B-2 TOURIST VISAS TO COME BACK WITH MORE PROOF THAT THEY ONLY WANT TO TOUR THE U.S AND ISSUE A TOURIST VISA...

ONCE YOU HAVE YOUR INTERVIEW FOR A TOURIST VISA.... IF THEY FEEL YOU DO NOT QUALIFY , THEY DENY IT AND THERE IS NO SECOND INTERVIEW... YOU HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR OR SO BEFORE APPLYING AGAIN....

IF YOU HAD BRAINS THAT BY ITSELF TELLS YOU THEY CAN JUST SIMPLY DENY THE VISA AT THEIR DESCRETION..... THEY NEED HARD CORE FACTS TO DENY A K VISA PETITION....... AT THE CONSULATE....

THIS IS WHY THEY TOLD HER TO COME BACK WITH MORE PROOF... BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE GROUNDS TO DENY THE VISA...... THEY DO NOT HAVE HARD ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT DECISION.. THEY DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DENY IT BASED ON SUSPICION..... THEY CAN NOT DO THAT.... IDIOT.....

THE KEY WORD IS " ELIGIBLE" THEY CAN NOT BY LAW..... DENY A VISA TO AN "ELIGIBLE" IMMIGRANT THAT HAS AN APPROVED PETITION BY NVC, USCIS WHICH IS ALL UNDER THE SAME UMBRELLA......

Edited February 11, 2006 by scorpio232

[Nooner 0]

you do not know what you are talking about... LOOK at your own quote....

USCIS does not approve visas or deny them..... Then later in your quote you state this...

After the USCIS approves a petition it goes to the NVC, who then sends it to the appropriate consulate, where paperwork is passed to the beneficiary..

Do not listen to this person...

The facts are it is sent back to USCIS if they feel it should not have been approved.. they do not have the right to deny an approved application by descretion.... " If they do.. they must have HARD FACTS!!! Like evidence of FRAUD, or Medical reasons in her medical exam..... or Lack of Income..... If they do not have hard evidence.. they must give the eligble IMMIGRANT her VISA......

By Law,

Dude...where the hell did you come from? YOU do not know what your talking about. A PETITION and a VISA are not the same things! The petition contains very limited information and is primarily based on simple evidence that based on prima facia your case is approvable:

1.) you met

2.) the relationship APPEARS genuine

3.) both of you are free to marry

There is much more involved once you make it to the Consulate.

1.)He or she is healthy

2.)Clean police history

3.)Verification of iden.

4.)Background investigation

5.)Personal interview

6.)Immigration forms and applications SUBMITTED BY the FIANCE(E)

7.)Proof of financial support

8.)Affirmation or oath

ONLY after the CO is satisfied that based on the approved PETITION and subsequent information will they issue a VISA. There are many other condiditons in which either USCIS can revoke an approved petition or the CO cany deny the visa but those are beyond the scope of this thread so we won't even go there.

Before you spout erroneous information and tell someone they don't know what they are talking about you need to educated yourself. Just let me know and I'd be much more than HAPPY to provide you with the documented evidence of why you are wrong.

Dude...

You are the one not knowing what you are talking about.. If you read what Aussie just sent in the post ... Its pretty much exactly what I am saying.... They can not just deny an approved petition just because they want too... They must have hard evidence to DENY the Visa.... This not a NON Immigrant Visa.... IDIOT.....

IF it was... They can deny it for the simple fact they dont like you.... They can not make those types of judgements as they do with NON Immigrant Visas, when it comes to K Visas.... IDIOT........ So EDUCATE YOURSELF .......

Dude...where the hell did you come from? YOU do not know what your talking about. A PETITION and a VISA are not the same things! The petition contains very limited information and is primarily based on simple evidence that based on prima facia your case is approvable:

1.) you met

2.) the relationship APPEARS genuine

3.) both of you are free to marry

There is much more involved once you make it to the Consulate.

1.)He or she is healthy

2.)Clean police history

3.)Verification of iden.

4.)Background investigation

5.)Personal interview

6.)Immigration forms and applications SUBMITTED BY the FIANCE(E)

7.)Proof of financial support

8.)Affirmation or oath

ONLY after the CO is satisfied that based on the approved PETITION and subsequent information will they issue a VISA. There are many other condiditons in which either USCIS can revoke an approved petition or the CO cany deny the visa but those are beyond the scope of this thread so we won't even go there.

Before you spout erroneous information and tell someone they don't know what they are talking about you need to educated yourself. Just let me know and I'd be much more than HAPPY to provide you with the documented evidence of why you are wrong.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK THEY CAN JUST DENY AND APPROVE ANYONE THEY WISH WHEN IT COMES TO K VISAS..... READ WHAT AUSSIE SAID..... ITS PRETTY MUCH WHAT I AM SAYING.... AND ITS FACTS........ YOU ARE THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED......

He ya go rocket man...read both in thier entirety.

Doc 1

Doc 2

First of all, you do not seem to know the difference between an approved petition and a visa. One more time: NOT EQUAL. Aussie is on the right track...in fact, she provided excerpts from the very documents I was to provide you (above), but you need to read them COMPLETE to have a full understanding. Once you do you will find that your "body of knowledge" is as thin as a toothpick! The problem here dude is that you EMPHATICALLY state to the OP that the CO cannot deny once USCIS approves the visa. USCIS does not approve or issue any visa!

I've put up my document to back up my argument, so if you are the immigration scholar that you seem to think you are why don't you show a document that backs up you claims that USCIS issues visas that the CO can't deny. Also, you might be wize to explain to all of these folks who get denied a visa by the CO after having a petition approved how that happened and keeps happening. Maybe you should notify the COs that they do not have this authority.

[scorpio232 0]

you do not know what you are talking about... LOOK at your own quote....

USCIS does not approve visas or deny them..... Then later in your quote you state this...

After the USCIS approves a petition it goes to the NVC, who then sends it to the appropriate consulate, where paperwork is passed to the beneficiary..

Do not listen to this person...

The facts are it is sent back to USCIS if they feel it should not have been approved.. they do not have the right to deny an approved application by descretion.... " If they do.. they must have HARD FACTS!!! Like evidence of FRAUD, or Medical reasons in her medical exam..... or Lack of Income..... If they do not have hard evidence.. they must give the eligble IMMIGRANT her VISA......

By Law,

Dude...where the hell did you come from? YOU do not know what your talking about. A PETITION and a VISA are not the same things! The petition contains very limited information and is primarily based on simple evidence that based on prima facia your case is approvable:

1.) you met

2.) the relationship APPEARS genuine

3.) both of you are free to marry

There is much more involved once you make it to the Consulate.

1.)He or she is healthy

2.)Clean police history

3.)Verification of iden.

4.)Background investigation

5.)Personal interview

6.)Immigration forms and applications SUBMITTED BY the FIANCE(E)

7.)Proof of financial support

8.)Affirmation or oath

ONLY after the CO is satisfied that based on the approved PETITION and subsequent information will they issue a VISA. There are many other condiditons in which either USCIS can revoke an approved petition or the CO cany deny the visa but those are beyond the scope of this thread so we won't even go there.

Before you spout erroneous information and tell someone they don't know what they are talking about you need to educated yourself. Just let me know and I'd be much more than HAPPY to provide you with the documented evidence of why you are wrong.

Dude...

You are the one not knowing what you are talking about.. If you read what Aussie just sent in the post ... Its pretty much exactly what I am saying.... They can not just deny an approved petition just because they want too... They must have hard evidence to DENY the Visa.... This not a NON Immigrant Visa.... IDIOT.....

IF it was... They can deny it for the simple fact they dont like you.... They can not make those types of judgements as they do with NON Immigrant Visas, when it comes to K Visas.... IDIOT........ So EDUCATE YOURSELF .......

Dude...where the hell did you come from? YOU do not know what your talking about. A PETITION and a VISA are not the same things! The petition contains very limited information and is primarily based on simple evidence that based on prima facia your case is approvable:

1.) you met

2.) the relationship APPEARS genuine

3.) both of you are free to marry

There is much more involved once you make it to the Consulate.

1.)He or she is healthy

2.)Clean police history

3.)Verification of iden.

4.)Background investigation

5.)Personal interview

6.)Immigration forms and applications SUBMITTED BY the FIANCE(E)

7.)Proof of financial support

8.)Affirmation or oath

ONLY after the CO is satisfied that based on the approved PETITION and subsequent information will they issue a VISA. There are many other condiditons in which either USCIS can revoke an approved petition or the CO cany deny the visa but those are beyond the scope of this thread so we won't even go there.

Before you spout erroneous information and tell someone they don't know what they are talking about you need to educated yourself. Just let me know and I'd be much more than HAPPY to provide you with the documented evidence of why you are wrong.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK THEY CAN JUST DENY AND APPROVE ANYONE THEY WISH WHEN IT COMES TO K VISAS..... READ WHAT AUSSIE SAID..... ITS PRETTY MUCH WHAT I AM SAYING.... AND ITS FACTS........ YOU ARE THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED......

He ya go rocket man...read both in thier entirety.

Doc 1

Doc 2

First of all, you do not seem to know the difference between an approved petition and a visa. One more time: NOT EQUAL. Aussie is on the right track...in fact, she provided excerpts from the very documents I was to provide you (above), but you need to read them COMPLETE to have a full understanding. Once you do you will find that your "body of knowledge" is as thin as a toothpick! The problem here dude is that you EMPHATICALLY state to the OP that the CO cannot deny once USCIS approves the visa. USCIS does not approve or issue any visa!

I've put up my document to back up my argument, so if you are the immigration scholar that you seem to think you are why don't you show a document that backs up you claims that USCIS issues visas that the CO can't deny. Also, you might be wize to explain to all of these folks who get denied a visa by the CO after having a petition approved how that happened and keeps happening. Maybe you should notify the COs that they do not have this authority.

THEY GOT DENIED BECAUSE THEY HAD EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE DECISION TO BE DENIED.. THE WAS NOT ELIGIBLE...........

I AM SURE YOU CAN ASK THEM AND THEY WAS TOLD WHY THEY WAS DENIED... AND I AM 100% SURE IT WAS NOT BECAUSE OF SUSPICION THAT THE RELATIONSHIP WAS NOT REAL........ IT WAS FOR OTHER REASONS AND IF IT WAS BECAUSE OF FRAUD.... THEY HAD ACTUAL SUPPORTING EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE FRAUD......... THAT IS WHY THEY WAS DENIED THE IMMIGRANT VISA..... AND IF YOU ARE ELIGIBLE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN DENY IT...

you do not know what you are talking about... LOOK at your own quote....

USCIS does not approve visas or deny them..... Then later in your quote you state this...

After the USCIS approves a petition it goes to the NVC, who then sends it to the appropriate consulate, where paperwork is passed to the beneficiary..

Do not listen to this person...

The facts are it is sent back to USCIS if they feel it should not have been approved.. they do not have the right to deny an approved application by descretion.... " If they do.. they must have HARD FACTS!!! Like evidence of FRAUD, or Medical reasons in her medical exam..... or Lack of Income..... If they do not have hard evidence.. they must give the eligble IMMIGRANT her VISA......

By Law,

Dude...where the hell did you come from? YOU do not know what your talking about. A PETITION and a VISA are not the same things! The petition contains very limited information and is primarily based on simple evidence that based on prima facia your case is approvable:

1.) you met

2.) the relationship APPEARS genuine

3.) both of you are free to marry

There is much more involved once you make it to the Consulate.

1.)He or she is healthy

2.)Clean police history

3.)Verification of iden.

4.)Background investigation

5.)Personal interview

6.)Immigration forms and applications SUBMITTED BY the FIANCE(E)

7.)Proof of financial support

8.)Affirmation or oath

ONLY after the CO is satisfied that based on the approved PETITION and subsequent information will they issue a VISA. There are many other condiditons in which either USCIS can revoke an approved petition or the CO cany deny the visa but those are beyond the scope of this thread so we won't even go there.

Before you spout erroneous information and tell someone they don't know what they are talking about you need to educated yourself. Just let me know and I'd be much more than HAPPY to provide you with the documented evidence of why you are wrong.

Dude...

You are the one not knowing what you are talking about.. If you read what Aussie just sent in the post ... Its pretty much exactly what I am saying.... They can not just deny an approved petition just because they want too... They must have hard evidence to DENY the Visa.... This not a NON Immigrant Visa.... IDIOT.....

IF it was... They can deny it for the simple fact they dont like you.... They can not make those types of judgements as they do with NON Immigrant Visas, when it comes to K Visas.... IDIOT........ So EDUCATE YOURSELF .......

Dude...where the hell did you come from? YOU do not know what your talking about. A PETITION and a VISA are not the same things! The petition contains very limited information and is primarily based on simple evidence that based on prima facia your case is approvable:

1.) you met

2.) the relationship APPEARS genuine

3.) both of you are free to marry

There is much more involved once you make it to the Consulate.

1.)He or she is healthy

2.)Clean police history

3.)Verification of iden.

4.)Background investigation

5.)Personal interview

6.)Immigration forms and applications SUBMITTED BY the FIANCE(E)

7.)Proof of financial support

8.)Affirmation or oath

ONLY after the CO is satisfied that based on the approved PETITION and subsequent information will they issue a VISA. There are many other condiditons in which either USCIS can revoke an approved petition or the CO cany deny the visa but those are beyond the scope of this thread so we won't even go there.

Before you spout erroneous information and tell someone they don't know what they are talking about you need to educated yourself. Just let me know and I'd be much more than HAPPY to provide you with the documented evidence of why you are wrong.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK THEY CAN JUST DENY AND APPROVE ANYONE THEY WISH WHEN IT COMES TO K VISAS..... READ WHAT AUSSIE SAID..... ITS PRETTY MUCH WHAT I AM SAYING.... AND ITS FACTS........ YOU ARE THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED......

He ya go rocket man...read both in thier entirety.

Doc 1

Doc 2

First of all, you do not seem to know the difference between an approved petition and a visa. One more time: NOT EQUAL. Aussie is on the right track...in fact, she provided excerpts from the very documents I was to provide you (above), but you need to read them COMPLETE to have a full understanding. Once you do you will find that your "body of knowledge" is as thin as a toothpick! The problem here dude is that you EMPHATICALLY state to the OP that the CO cannot deny once USCIS approves the visa. USCIS does not approve or issue any visa!

I've put up my document to back up my argument, so if you are the immigration scholar that you seem to think you are why don't you show a document that backs up you claims that USCIS issues visas that the CO can't deny. Also, you might be wize to explain to all of these folks who get denied a visa by the CO after having a petition approved how that happened and keeps happening. Maybe you should notify the COs that they do not have this authority.

THEY GOT DENIED BECAUSE THEY HAD EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE DECISION TO BE DENIED.. THE WAS NOT ELIGIBLE...........

I AM SURE YOU CAN ASK THEM AND THEY WAS TOLD WHY THEY WAS DENIED... AND I AM 100% SURE IT WAS NOT BECAUSE OF SUSPICION THAT THE RELATIONSHIP WAS NOT REAL........ IT WAS FOR OTHER REASONS AND IF IT WAS BECAUSE OF FRAUD.... THEY HAD ACTUAL SUPPORTING EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE FRAUD......... THAT IS WHY THEY WAS DENIED THE IMMIGRANT VISA..... AND IF YOU ARE NOT ELIGIBLE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN DENY IT...

ELIGIBLE IMMIGRANT = HAS FINANCIAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THEY WILL NOT BECOME A PUBLIC CHARGE, NOT A TERRORIST, NOT A DRUG DEALER, NOT A CAREER CRIMINAL, NOT IN A FRAUDULENT RELATIONSHIP WITH A U.S CITIZEN. DOES NOT HAVE A MEDICAL CONDITION THAT WOULD CAUSE HARDSHIP TO THE U.S TO SUPPORT THEIR NEEDS.

NON ELIGIBLE...... .FIGURE IT OUT....... IF YOU ARE SMART......

AN ELIGIBLE IMMIGRANT WILL BE ISSUED A VISA.......

ELIGIBLE IMMIGRANT = HAS FINANCIAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THEY WILL NOT BECOME A PUBLIC CHARGE, NOT A TERRORIST, NOT A DRUG DEALER, NOT A CAREER CRIMINAL, NOT IN A FRAUDULENT RELATIONSHIP WITH A U.S CITIZEN. DOES NOT HAVE A MEDICAL CONDITION THAT WOULD CAUSE HARDSHIP TO THE U.S TO SUPPORT THEIR NEEDS.

NON ELIGIBLE...... .FIGURE IT OUT....... IF YOU ARE SMART......

AN ELIGIBLE IMMIGRANT WILL BE ISSUED A VISA.......

Edited February 11, 2006 by scorpio232

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you do not know what you are talking about... LOOK at your own quote....

USCIS does not approve visas or deny them..... Then later in your quote you state this...

After the USCIS approves a petition it goes to the NVC, who then sends it to the appropriate consulate, where paperwork is passed to the beneficiary..

Do not listen to this person...

The facts are it is sent back to USCIS if they feel it should not have been approved.. they do not have the right to deny an approved application by descretion.... " If they do.. they must have HARD FACTS!!! Like evidence of FRAUD, or Medical reasons in her medical exam..... or Lack of Income..... If they do not have hard evidence.. they must give the eligble IMMIGRANT her VISA......

By Law,

Dude...where the hell did you come from? YOU do not know what your talking about. A PETITION and a VISA are not the same things! The petition contains very limited information and is primarily based on simple evidence that based on prima facia your case is approvable:

1.) you met

2.) the relationship APPEARS genuine

3.) both of you are free to marry

There is much more involved once you make it to the Consulate.

1.)He or she is healthy

2.)Clean police history

3.)Verification of iden.

4.)Background investigation

5.)Personal interview

6.)Immigration forms and applications SUBMITTED BY the FIANCE(E)

7.)Proof of financial support

8.)Affirmation or oath

ONLY after the CO is satisfied that based on the approved PETITION and subsequent information will they issue a VISA. There are many other condiditons in which either USCIS can revoke an approved petition or the CO cany deny the visa but those are beyond the scope of this thread so we won't even go there.

Before you spout erroneous information and tell someone they don't know what they are talking about you need to educated yourself. Just let me know and I'd be much more than HAPPY to provide you with the documented evidence of why you are wrong.

Dude...

You are the one not knowing what you are talking about.. If you read what Aussie just sent in the post ... Its pretty much exactly what I am saying.... They can not just deny an approved petition just because they want too... They must have hard evidence to DENY the Visa.... This not a NON Immigrant Visa.... IDIOT.....

IF it was... They can deny it for the simple fact they dont like you.... They can not make those types of judgements as they do with NON Immigrant Visas, when it comes to K Visas.... IDIOT........ So EDUCATE YOURSELF .......

Dude...where the hell did you come from? YOU do not know what your talking about. A PETITION and a VISA are not the same things! The petition contains very limited information and is primarily based on simple evidence that based on prima facia your case is approvable:

1.) you met

2.) the relationship APPEARS genuine

3.) both of you are free to marry

There is much more involved once you make it to the Consulate.

1.)He or she is healthy

2.)Clean police history

3.)Verification of iden.

4.)Background investigation

5.)Personal interview

6.)Immigration forms and applications SUBMITTED BY the FIANCE(E)

7.)Proof of financial support

8.)Affirmation or oath

ONLY after the CO is satisfied that based on the approved PETITION and subsequent information will they issue a VISA. There are many other condiditons in which either USCIS can revoke an approved petition or the CO cany deny the visa but those are beyond the scope of this thread so we won't even go there.

Before you spout erroneous information and tell someone they don't know what they are talking about you need to educated yourself. Just let me know and I'd be much more than HAPPY to provide you with the documented evidence of why you are wrong.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK THEY CAN JUST DENY AND APPROVE ANYONE THEY WISH WHEN IT COMES TO K VISAS..... READ WHAT AUSSIE SAID..... ITS PRETTY MUCH WHAT I AM SAYING.... AND ITS FACTS........ YOU ARE THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED......

He ya go rocket man...read both in thier entirety.

Doc 1

Doc 2

First of all, you do not seem to know the difference between an approved petition and a visa. One more time: NOT EQUAL. Aussie is on the right track...in fact, she provided excerpts from the very documents I was to provide you (above), but you need to read them COMPLETE to have a full understanding. Once you do you will find that your "body of knowledge" is as thin as a toothpick! The problem here dude is that you EMPHATICALLY state to the OP that the CO cannot deny once USCIS approves the visa. USCIS does not approve or issue any visa!

I've put up my document to back up my argument, so if you are the immigration scholar that you seem to think you are why don't you show a document that backs up you claims that USCIS issues visas that the CO can't deny. Also, you might be wize to explain to all of these folks who get denied a visa by the CO after having a petition approved how that happened and keeps happening. Maybe you should notify the COs that they do not have this authority.

THEY GOT DENIED BECAUSE THEY HAD EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE DECISION TO BE DENIED.. THE WAS NOT ELIGIBLE...........

I AM SURE YOU CAN ASK THEM AND THEY WAS TOLD WHY THEY WAS DENIED... AND I AM 100% SURE IT WAS NOT BECAUSE OF SUSPICION THAT THE RELATIONSHIP WAS NOT REAL........ IT WAS FOR OTHER REASONS AND IF IT WAS BECAUSE OF FRAUD.... THEY HAD ACTUAL SUPPORTING EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE FRAUD......... THAT IS WHY THEY WAS DENIED THE IMMIGRANT VISA..... AND IF YOU ARE ELIGIBLE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN DENY IT...

you do not know what you are talking about... LOOK at your own quote....

USCIS does not approve visas or deny them..... Then later in your quote you state this...

After the USCIS approves a petition it goes to the NVC, who then sends it to the appropriate consulate, where paperwork is passed to the beneficiary..

Do not listen to this person...

The facts are it is sent back to USCIS if they feel it should not have been approved.. they do not have the right to deny an approved application by descretion.... " If they do.. they must have HARD FACTS!!! Like evidence of FRAUD, or Medical reasons in her medical exam..... or Lack of Income..... If they do not have hard evidence.. they must give the eligble IMMIGRANT her VISA......

By Law,

Dude...where the hell did you come from? YOU do not know what your talking about. A PETITION and a VISA are not the same things! The petition contains very limited information and is primarily based on simple evidence that based on prima facia your case is approvable:

1.) you met

2.) the relationship APPEARS genuine

3.) both of you are free to marry

There is much more involved once you make it to the Consulate.

1.)He or she is healthy

2.)Clean police history

3.)Verification of iden.

4.)Background investigation

5.)Personal interview

6.)Immigration forms and applications SUBMITTED BY the FIANCE(E)

7.)Proof of financial support

8.)Affirmation or oath

ONLY after the CO is satisfied that based on the approved PETITION and subsequent information will they issue a VISA. There are many other condiditons in which either USCIS can revoke an approved petition or the CO cany deny the visa but those are beyond the scope of this thread so we won't even go there.

Before you spout erroneous information and tell someone they don't know what they are talking about you need to educated yourself. Just let me know and I'd be much more than HAPPY to provide you with the documented evidence of why you are wrong.

Dude...

You are the one not knowing what you are talking about.. If you read what Aussie just sent in the post ... Its pretty much exactly what I am saying.... They can not just deny an approved petition just because they want too... They must have hard evidence to DENY the Visa.... This not a NON Immigrant Visa.... IDIOT.....

IF it was... They can deny it for the simple fact they dont like you.... They can not make those types of judgements as they do with NON Immigrant Visas, when it comes to K Visas.... IDIOT........ So EDUCATE YOURSELF .......

Dude...where the hell did you come from? YOU do not know what your talking about. A PETITION and a VISA are not the same things! The petition contains very limited information and is primarily based on simple evidence that based on prima facia your case is approvable:

1.) you met

2.) the relationship APPEARS genuine

3.) both of you are free to marry

There is much more involved once you make it to the Consulate.

1.)He or she is healthy

2.)Clean police history

3.)Verification of iden.

4.)Background investigation

5.)Personal interview

6.)Immigration forms and applications SUBMITTED BY the FIANCE(E)

7.)Proof of financial support

8.)Affirmation or oath

ONLY after the CO is satisfied that based on the approved PETITION and subsequent information will they issue a VISA. There are many other condiditons in which either USCIS can revoke an approved petition or the CO cany deny the visa but those are beyond the scope of this thread so we won't even go there.

Before you spout erroneous information and tell someone they don't know what they are talking about you need to educated yourself. Just let me know and I'd be much more than HAPPY to provide you with the documented evidence of why you are wrong.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK THEY CAN JUST DENY AND APPROVE ANYONE THEY WISH WHEN IT COMES TO K VISAS..... READ WHAT AUSSIE SAID..... ITS PRETTY MUCH WHAT I AM SAYING.... AND ITS FACTS........ YOU ARE THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED......

He ya go rocket man...read both in thier entirety.

Doc 1

Doc 2

First of all, you do not seem to know the difference between an approved petition and a visa. One more time: NOT EQUAL. Aussie is on the right track...in fact, she provided excerpts from the very documents I was to provide you (above), but you need to read them COMPLETE to have a full understanding. Once you do you will find that your "body of knowledge" is as thin as a toothpick! The problem here dude is that you EMPHATICALLY state to the OP that the CO cannot deny once USCIS approves the visa. USCIS does not approve or issue any visa!

I've put up my document to back up my argument, so if you are the immigration scholar that you seem to think you are why don't you show a document that backs up you claims that USCIS issues visas that the CO can't deny. Also, you might be wize to explain to all of these folks who get denied a visa by the CO after having a petition approved how that happened and keeps happening. Maybe you should notify the COs that they do not have this authority.

THEY GOT DENIED BECAUSE THEY HAD EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE DECISION TO BE DENIED.. THE WAS NOT ELIGIBLE...........

I AM SURE YOU CAN ASK THEM AND THEY WAS TOLD WHY THEY WAS DENIED... AND I AM 100% SURE IT WAS NOT BECAUSE OF SUSPICION THAT THE RELATIONSHIP WAS NOT REAL........ IT WAS FOR OTHER REASONS AND IF IT WAS BECAUSE OF FRAUD.... THEY HAD ACTUAL SUPPORTING EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE FRAUD......... THAT IS WHY THEY WAS DENIED THE IMMIGRANT VISA..... AND IF YOU ARE NOT ELIGIBLE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN DENY IT...

ELIGIBLE IMMIGRANT = HAS FINANCIAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THEY WILL NOT BECOME A PUBLIC CHARGE, NOT A TERRORIST, NOT A DRUG DEALER, NOT A CAREER CRIMINAL, NOT IN A FRAUDULENT RELATIONSHIP WITH A U.S CITIZEN. DOES NOT HAVE A MEDICAL CONDITION THAT WOULD CAUSE HARDSHIP TO THE U.S TO SUPPORT THEIR NEEDS.

NON ELIGIBLE...... .FIGURE IT OUT....... IF YOU ARE SMART......

AN ELIGIBLE IMMIGRANT WILL BE ISSUED A VISA.......

ELIGIBLE IMMIGRANT = HAS FINANCIAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THEY WILL NOT BECOME A PUBLIC CHARGE, NOT A TERRORIST, NOT A DRUG DEALER, NOT A CAREER CRIMINAL, NOT IN A FRAUDULENT RELATIONSHIP WITH A U.S CITIZEN. DOES NOT HAVE A MEDICAL CONDITION THAT WOULD CAUSE HARDSHIP TO THE U.S TO SUPPORT THEIR NEEDS.

NON ELIGIBLE...... .FIGURE IT OUT....... IF YOU ARE SMART......

AN ELIGIBLE IMMIGRANT WILL BE ISSUED A VISA.......

Here's your original statement:

By Law,

Once USCIS approves the Visa.... THEY CAN NOT DENY IT...

Pretty much a blanket statement, eh? Does USCIS approve visas? No. They approve petitions. Does the law state that the CO cannot deny an approved petition as you stated? No.

I did not get involved in this thread based on the facts the OP presented, rather, it was for the mis-information you posted and the subsequent DISS you shoved on to the first poster who challenged you. You should not think of yourself in such high regard because no matter what you think you know, your ego gets in the way. Boa Noite...