USCIS objectives - are they acceptable?

[notime4haterz 0]

I wasn't being argumentative but some member chose to read only sections of my post. People managed to miss the line "K-1 should be kept (referring to the post before mine) because not everyone has the same circumstances."

Meaning, NOT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES. I was defending the use of the K-1.

Sorry mkg, I should be more careful with my quoting, i did understand what you said. I was responding to the poster who said as a K1 she didnt wait and you were included within her reply.

The bulk of my post was aimed at the person before you, who believed the K1 should be done away with a full priority given to married couples, which was something that I was countering.

At the end of the day, i try not to blame the man on the ground for the way the system works. VSC is run by bureaucrats and it is the responsibility of these people to ensure that our petitions are processed at a time equal to CSC. It is their responsibility to ensure staff productivity.

It is completely unacceptable that the same job can be done in half the time and that you are subject to what boils down to being a zipcode lottery.....

I am no where near far enough into the process to have any real experience of the issues others are experiencing, but my heart goes out to anyone who has to be apart from the one they love....especially when that relationship is genuine and the thought of being without our partners drives us to the lengths we are having to undertake to be with them.

I just feel that if the K-1 is gonna come here and marry, then why not just marry here and file an I-130 or marry overseas and file a K-3? Why have a K-1? Because the fact is you're gonna have a wedding eventually, why not have it then file? Why file then wait, take up processing time, and then you're just gonna get married after 90 days anyway, or God forbid, the person was just using their fiance, comes here and then dumps them and stays illegally... I just think having an I-130 or a K-3 is enough, because it handles both overseas and domestic marriages.

[gensdad515 2]

I wasn't being argumentative but some member chose to read only sections of my post. People managed to miss the line "K-1 should be kept (referring to the post before mine) because not everyone has the same circumstances."

Meaning, NOT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES. I was defending the use of the K-1.

Sorry mkg, I should be more careful with my quoting, i did understand what you said. I was responding to the poster who said as a K1 she didnt wait and you were included within her reply.

The bulk of my post was aimed at the person before you, who believed the K1 should be done away with a full priority given to married couples, which was something that I was countering.

At the end of the day, i try not to blame the man on the ground for the way the system works. VSC is run by bureaucrats and it is the responsibility of these people to ensure that our petitions are processed at a time equal to CSC. It is their responsibility to ensure staff productivity.

It is completely unacceptable that the same job can be done in half the time and that you are subject to what boils down to being a zipcode lottery.....

I am no where near far enough into the process to have any real experience of the issues others are experiencing, but my heart goes out to anyone who has to be apart from the one they love....especially when that relationship is genuine and the thought of being without our partners drives us to the lengths we are having to undertake to be with them.

I just feel that if the K-1 is gonna come here and marry, then why not just marry here and file an I-130 or marry overseas and file a K-3? Why have a K-1? Because the fact is you're gonna have a wedding eventually, why not have it then file? Why file then wait, take up processing time, and then you're just gonna get married after 90 days anyway, or God forbid, the person was just using their fiance, comes here and then dumps them and stays illegally... I just think having an I-130 or a K-3 is enough, because it handles both overseas and domestic marriages.

Folks remember all of this is being run by the government, what goverment do you know that does things logically and efficiently ?

I'll take the next number in the extremely frustrated group.

[Laura+Tom 2]

I wasn't being argumentative but some member chose to read only sections of my post. People managed to miss the line "K-1 should be kept (referring to the post before mine) because not everyone has the same circumstances."

Meaning, NOT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES. I was defending the use of the K-1.

Sorry mkg, I should be more careful with my quoting, i did understand what you said. I was responding to the poster who said as a K1 she didnt wait and you were included within her reply.

The bulk of my post was aimed at the person before you, who believed the K1 should be done away with a full priority given to married couples, which was something that I was countering.

At the end of the day, i try not to blame the man on the ground for the way the system works. VSC is run by bureaucrats and it is the responsibility of these people to ensure that our petitions are processed at a time equal to CSC. It is their responsibility to ensure staff productivity.

It is completely unacceptable that the same job can be done in half the time and that you are subject to what boils down to being a zipcode lottery.....

I am no where near far enough into the process to have any real experience of the issues others are experiencing, but my heart goes out to anyone who has to be apart from the one they love....especially when that relationship is genuine and the thought of being without our partners drives us to the lengths we are having to undertake to be with them.

I just feel that if the K-1 is gonna come here and marry, then why not just marry here and file an I-130 or marry overseas and file a K-3? Why have a K-1? Because the fact is you're gonna have a wedding eventually, why not have it then file? Why file then wait, take up processing time, and then you're just gonna get married after 90 days anyway, or God forbid, the person was just using their fiance, comes here and then dumps them and stays illegally... I just think having an I-130 or a K-3 is enough, because it handles both overseas and domestic marriages.

Because for some of us the K-1 works perfectly around what is going on in our lives at the moment. My fiance left the country 8 mths into our relationship, we certainly weren't going to get hitched then.

[Ellie-and-David 38]

I wasn't being argumentative but some member chose to read only sections of my post. People managed to miss the line "K-1 should be kept (referring to the post before mine) because not everyone has the same circumstances."

Meaning, NOT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES. I was defending the use of the K-1.

Sorry mkg, I should be more careful with my quoting, i did understand what you said. I was responding to the poster who said as a K1 she didnt wait and you were included within her reply.

The bulk of my post was aimed at the person before you, who believed the K1 should be done away with a full priority given to married couples, which was something that I was countering.

At the end of the day, i try not to blame the man on the ground for the way the system works. VSC is run by bureaucrats and it is the responsibility of these people to ensure that our petitions are processed at a time equal to CSC. It is their responsibility to ensure staff productivity.

It is completely unacceptable that the same job can be done in half the time and that you are subject to what boils down to being a zipcode lottery.....

I am no where near far enough into the process to have any real experience of the issues others are experiencing, but my heart goes out to anyone who has to be apart from the one they love....especially when that relationship is genuine and the thought of being without our partners drives us to the lengths we are having to undertake to be with them.

I just feel that if the K-1 is gonna come here and marry, then why not just marry here and file an I-130 or marry overseas and file a K-3? Why have a K-1? Because the fact is you're gonna have a wedding eventually, why not have it then file? Why file then wait, take up processing time, and then you're just gonna get married after 90 days anyway, or God forbid, the person was just using their fiance, comes here and then dumps them and stays illegally... I just think having an I-130 or a K-3 is enough, because it handles both overseas and domestic marriages.

Because for some of us the K-1 works perfectly around what is going on in our lives at the moment. My fiance left the country 8 mths into our relationship, we certainly weren't going to get hitched then.

And because some of us want to start our married life together. Again, it boils down to that choice......one i dont believe should be taken away..

[Frenchwife 1]

I initiated the thread and thank everyone for their replies.

now

nice to compare VSC and CSC

nice to discuss about priorities between K1 and K3

nice to complain to the workers at VSC

but

is it really important to us? is it key to solution of our problems?

Aren't we fightling each other instead of looking for a solution.

key point I believe is that it is possible to process in 1 or 2 months for expeditions or for worker visas

so similar times should be possible for most of us.

(old) Spouse and children should not be separated at length

Fiance should be not separated to a point to ruin the relationship or encourage wedding for visa - but let's say enough to reflect and organize marriage...

what are your ideas about

1- are we represented? who represents us?

are the congressmen of our spouse our (only?) representation?

2- what should we ask our representatives?

should we ask them for individual cases?

or should we ask them to address the general problem of lenghtly processing for spouses at Vermont (and California)

3- how should we articulate our request versus the different categories we fall in?

Can we enounciate sound Objectives

maybe we can't ask the same for all , not meaning we are competing but simply can't be processed the same or are different

differences between us: fiance / spouse, country under VWP / not under VWP, marriage over 2 years or not, children, confirmed pregancies

etc...

what about ?

2 months for marriages over 2 years or with children for spouse in VWP country

2 months for marriages expecting child over 3 months pregnancy for spouse in VWP country

4 months for other marriages with spouse in VWP country

? months for fiance in VWP

6 months for other marriages with spouse not in VWP

? months for fiance not in VWP

(maybe I am splitting too much, sorry)

4- what is inefficient in the process and we should ask to change

unefficient filing of I130 first and I129F second for K3 spouse is one....

moving capacity out of K3 to naturalization is eventually another bad move leading to not meeting objectives and limiting objectives

is it time to ask to move naturalization people to us?

what is the point of naturalization

isn't it more important now to reunite families

Elections are over!!!!

5- how is the capacity managed versus objectives

who takes the decision?

can't they hire temporary workers!

6- where / how is the scheduling done and how we should ask for a change

expeditions are a pain to the process, I would drastically reduce them.

If target are met I think they should reduce

7- what have been success stories in the past and how can we reproduce them?

introducing K3 was potentially a success eventhough it failed apart. who / how was it done?

other?

can people answer to those questions?

Edited November 19, 2008 by Frenchwife

[Laura+Tom 2]

I initiated the thread and thank everyone for their replies.

now

nice to compare VSC and CSC

nice to discuss about priorities between K1 and K3

nice to complain to the workers at VSC

but

is it really important to us? is it key to solution of our problems?

Aren't we fightling each other instead of looking for a solution.

key point I believe is that it is possible to process in 1 or 2 months for expeditions or for worker visas

so similar times should be possible for most of us.

(old) Spouse and children should not be separated at length

Fiance should be not separated to a point to ruin the relationship or encourage wedding for visa - but let's say enough to reflect and organize marriage...

what are your ideas about

1- are we represented? who represents us?

are the congressmen of our spouse our (only?) representation?

2- what should we ask our representatives?

should we ask them for individual cases?

or should we ask them to address the general problem of lenghtly processing for spouses at Vermont (and California)

3- how should we articulate our request versus the different categories we fall in?

Can we enounciate sound Objectives

maybe we can't ask the same for all , not meaning we are competing but simply can't be processed the same or are different

differences between us: fiance / spouse, country under VWP / not under VWP, marriage over 2 years or not, children, confirmed pregancies

etc...

what about ?

2 months for marriages over 2 years or with children for spouse in VWP country

2 months for marriages expecting child over 3 months pregnancy for spouse in VWP country

4 months for other marriages with spouse in VWP country

? months for fiance in VWP

6 months for other marriages with spouse not in VWP

? months for fiance not in VWP

(maybe I am splitting too much, sorry)

4- what is inefficient in the process and we should ask to change

unefficient filing of I130 first and I129F second for K3 spouse is one....

moving capacity out of K3 to naturalization is eventually another bad move leading to not meeting objectives and limiting objectives

is it time to ask to move naturalization people to us?

what is the point of naturalization

isn't it more important now to reunite families

Elections are over!!!!

5- how is the capacity managed versus objectives

who takes the decision?

can't they hire temporary workers!

6- where / how is the scheduling done and how we should ask for a change

expeditions are a pain to the process, I would drastically reduce them.

If target are met I think they should reduce

7- what have been success stories in the past and how can we reproduce them?

introducing K3 was potentially a success eventhough it failed apart. who / how was it done?

other?

can people answer to those questions?

Those are good questions, is there anyway some could posed at USCIS?

Edited November 20, 2008 by Laura+Tom

[SA-&-BA 0]

I bet if we approach a national news paper like NYtimes or similar and provide them the verifiable findings about whats going on with VSC K3/K1 visas - Provide them with sound justification for our frustrations - Maybe reach out to CNN/CNBC, heck do anything to bring the attention to the public.

We gotta do something, lets talk about what can we do? what needs to happen to wake up the USCIS (fu***) director and to straitend their priorities.

Do we know anyone in those national news papers who can do us this favor by printing the news? Do we know anyone who is kind enough to bring this to lime light at CNN etc.

Guys lets think about this....

I initiated the thread and thank everyone for their replies.

now

nice to compare VSC and CSC

nice to discuss about priorities between K1 and K3

nice to complain to the workers at VSC

but

is it really important to us? is it key to solution of our problems?

Aren't we fightling each other instead of looking for a solution.

key point I believe is that it is possible to process in 1 or 2 months for expeditions or for worker visas

so similar times should be possible for most of us.

(old) Spouse and children should not be separated at length

Fiance should be not separated to a point to ruin the relationship or encourage wedding for visa - but let's say enough to reflect and organize marriage...

[Cassie 8]

People here on VJ have written to various and sundry news agencies ad nauseum over the four and half years I have been here, with limited success. Right now immigration isn't a sexy topic, especially if it isn't illegal immigration. Challenge your energies into supporting organised lobby groups that are working towards immigration reform and having success, they will get more done than an op-ed piece in a newspaper or two.

Some people will read the above and say "jeez, why so negative?" I've been on this site for over 4 years, and this is what I have seen: for the most part,

people only seem to care about immigration issues once they find themselves in the middle of it, and conveniently forget everyone once they are done with it. I remember while I was waiting for my 10 year green card earlier this year, we had a few people with a big head of steam built up about the wait times and threatening a class action lawsuit. curious how within mere hours of hearing that they were approved all the big talk and complaining ceased, and many of them no longer even participate on VJ -- they dropped off soon after their approval. So yeah, I cast a cynical eye on writing campaigns and the like.

[daboyz 36]

I think another reason the politicians don't care, is at best only 50% of the people involved in this process can vote. Beneficiaries can't vote until citizenship so there's no real motivation for them to do anything about it.

[Cassie 8]

I think another reason the politicians don't care, is at best only 50% of the people involved in this process can vote. Beneficiaries can't vote until citizenship so there's no real motivation for them to do anything about it.

Fair point to make.

[Frenchwife 1]

Hi all

Maybe we are not very numerous and don't provide much votes

so we are a minority?

I see very much the point of cassie. Once over people just want to forget and live their live.

so not only we are a minority but a temporary one in time.

I can vote in my country, now and in the future when in the US.

Contacting our own foreign representatives is an option.

Yes we are not "sexy" topic. On the contrary.

Opposed to the topic of security even.

Among the ones expedited we have the spouse of deployed soldiers:a sexier topic.

well, if Obama bring them back maybe Vermont will have some free time....

Maybe some organization related to human rights could bother about us also.

I am not familiar myself with that.

[Frenchwife 1]

more thoughts

we don't need to gather data (do we?) USCIS provides it itself and it looks awful if you think about it.

Maybe it needs to be put n perspective of the whole journey through all the stages (a lot of people are confused about that)

also the point of the separation needs to appear better.

Look at the fiance case, if K1 ar quicker isn't it because somewhere people think fiance have to be reunited.

In the case of the spouse, people don't imagine families are separated - and they are not always in fact. depends on the case but all are treated the same way which is a problem.

I am not doubting they could process us in 2 months

what I don't see is :

-intention to process us in 2 months

-segmentation of the cases that could be processed quicker/ cannot (VWP countries/others), and cases that would motivate quicker processing (separation, long marriage, children)

-challenge of the bad performance vs objective (average is out of the objective even the 6 months)

-appearance of bad performers (vermont's bad performance is averaged with the other ones)

Edited November 20, 2008 by Frenchwife

[Frenchwife 1]

Good news (?) posted by hope1 in another thread

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/men...00045f3d6a1RCRD

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