Former Obama opponent now suing to prove President-elect's citizenship

[britty 1]

irrespective of whether there is an issue or not, a bonafide birth certificate can always be "created" if necessary. If Obama can hide the origins of millions of dollars of campaign funds, associate with Bill Ayers, Father Pfleger, and Rev Wright, and dupe certain members of the general public with a "change" campaign which he then promptly forgot about when filling his posts with hacks from Clinton's disastrous administration, he is certainly capable of presenting any document you care to request.

OMG.

Obama's father was from a foreign country.

So that means his birth and the country he is a citizen of must certainly be questionable.

What an odd perspective for a website like VisaJourney.

and what a bizarre understanding of what I posted... re-read and then re-post if you must.

irrespective of whether there is an issue or not, a bonafide birth certificate can always be "created" if necessary. If Obama can hide the origins of millions of dollars of campaign funds, associate with Bill Ayers, Father Pfleger, and Rev Wright, and dupe certain members of the general public with a "change" campaign which he then promptly forgot about when filling his posts with hacks from Clinton's disastrous administration, he is certainly capable of presenting any document you care to request.

Oh, the intricate web of lies that is weaved. It's wonderful that someone knows 'the truth'.

i know - thank god for me or some of you would just be completely clueless.

[Danno 1,228]

It does seem strange that people could seriously believe that a major political party would risk jeopardising its own interests by selecting and promoting a presidential candidate who wasn't properly vetted according to basic rules of eligibility.

I suppose stranger things have happened - but it really does sound like grasping at straws. And it isn't lost of me that many of these sorts of criticisms aimed at Obama seem to have a very specific, limited appeal. All of this stuff seems to be about accentuating this idea of Obama's "otherness" and how he isn't "one of us".

I absolutly agree with your first Paragraph and a little of your second but when you strayed off on this suggestion.

<<All of this stuff seems to be about accentuating this idea of Obama's "otherness" and how he isn't "one of us">

you present "yourself" as the kooky one.

It's all about Politics ... and using the "rules" to-the-dot, to further their objective.

It has nothing about "race" which is your clear implication.

You often have worthwhile contributions in your posts but you do seem to "see racism" too often where none exists. what's up with that?

Racism where none exists? Come back when you've got an argument that doesn't involve snatching words out of the air, or borrowing the phraseology from Talk Radio pundits.

Quite simply - this birth certificate ####### comes on the back of the allegations of Obama's associations with terrorism, with his being a muslim, silly allegations over lapel pins and "fist jabs" and with his "Marxist Socialism".

All of these things serve a very singular purpose.

Well yeah, to discredit a person running for office, it has nothing to do with race.... just run of the mill politics. .... some of it unfair.. some rooted in Obama's history.

Perhaps you would explain why you won't address Rebeccajo's answer to your question.

From where I sit it would seem that you're just using your own ignorance to perpetuate baseless rumours. So yes - I'm afraid it is tin-foil hat time for you...

Wait a minute... are you slow of mind?

Here let me repeat myself again, I doubted there were any weight to all this Birth-cert stuff,

I just wondered why Obama seemed to feed the fire.

As for Rebeccajo's question, I actually did dig it out of my closet... in the dark (need to change that bulb) and in fact mine says "certificate of live birth".

Does this mean, I am not a citizen either

Of course mine has a lot more info than his does... hospital... doctors name and sig. etc.

Do you think those pursuing this case are just trying to hassle Obama or maybe they think there is something to all this?

[britty 1]

irrespective of whether there is an issue or not, a bonafide birth certificate can always be "created" if necessary. If Obama can hide the origins of millions of dollars of campaign funds, associate with Bill Ayers, Father Pfleger, and Rev Wright, and dupe certain members of the general public with a "change" campaign which he then promptly forgot about when filling his posts with hacks from Clinton's disastrous administration, he is certainly capable of presenting any document you care to request.

Stringing together dubious rumours to create conspiracy doesn't sound terribly plausible I must say.

what dubious rumors? specifics please?

[rebeccajo 14]

irrespective of whether there is an issue or not, a bonafide birth certificate can always be "created" if necessary. If Obama can hide the origins of millions of dollars of campaign funds, associate with Bill Ayers, Father Pfleger, and Rev Wright, and dupe certain members of the general public with a "change" campaign which he then promptly forgot about when filling his posts with hacks from Clinton's disastrous administration, he is certainly capable of presenting any document you care to request.

OMG.

Obama's father was from a foreign country.

So that means his birth and the country he is a citizen of must certainly be questionable.

What an odd perspective for a website like VisaJourney.

and what a bizarre understanding of what I posted... re-read and then re-post if you must.

Drivel for drivel, britty. Get it?

You're too feckin' serious if you can't catch a nuance.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

irrespective of whether there is an issue or not, a bonafide birth certificate can always be "created" if necessary. If Obama can hide the origins of millions of dollars of campaign funds, associate with Bill Ayers, Father Pfleger, and Rev Wright, and dupe certain members of the general public with a "change" campaign which he then promptly forgot about when filling his posts with hacks from Clinton's disastrous administration, he is certainly capable of presenting any document you care to request.

Stringing together dubious rumours to create conspiracy doesn't sound terribly plausible I must say.

what dubious rumors? specifics please?

The ones you referenced - all the nudge-nudge, wink-wink ####### over Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright. To go from that to suggesting criminal conspiracy to "create" a birth certificate is just silly.

[rebeccajo 14]

It does seem strange that people could seriously believe that a major political party would risk jeopardising its own interests by selecting and promoting a presidential candidate who wasn't properly vetted according to basic rules of eligibility.

I suppose stranger things have happened - but it really does sound like grasping at straws. And it isn't lost of me that many of these sorts of criticisms aimed at Obama seem to have a very specific, limited appeal. All of this stuff seems to be about accentuating this idea of Obama's "otherness" and how he isn't "one of us".

I absolutly agree with your first Paragraph and a little of your second but when you strayed off on this suggestion.

<<All of this stuff seems to be about accentuating this idea of Obama's "otherness" and how he isn't "one of us">

you present "yourself" as the kooky one.

It's all about Politics ... and using the "rules" to-the-dot, to further their objective.

It has nothing about "race" which is your clear implication.

You often have worthwhile contributions in your posts but you do seem to "see racism" too often where none exists. what's up with that?

Racism where none exists? Come back when you've got an argument that doesn't involve snatching words out of the air, or borrowing the phraseology from Talk Radio pundits.

Quite simply - this birth certificate ####### comes on the back of the allegations of Obama's associations with terrorism, with his being a muslim, silly allegations over lapel pins and "fist jabs" and with his "Marxist Socialism".

All of these things serve a very singular purpose.

Well yeah, to discredit a person running for office, it has nothing to do with race.... just run of the mill politics. .... some of it unfair.. some rooted in Obama's history.

Perhaps you would explain why you won't address Rebeccajo's answer to your question.

From where I sit it would seem that you're just using your own ignorance to perpetuate baseless rumours. So yes - I'm afraid it is tin-foil hat time for you...

Wait a minute... are you slow of mind?

Here let me repeat myself again, I doubted there were any weight to all this Birth-cert stuff,

I just wondered why Obama seemed to feed the fire.

As for Rebeccajo's question, I actually did dig it out of my closet... in the dark (need to change that bulb) and in fact mine says "certificate of live birth".

Does this mean, I am not a citizen either

Of course mine has a lot more info than his does... hospital... doctors name and sig. etc.

Do you think those pursuing this case are just trying to hassle Obama or maybe they think there is something to all this?

Remember Danno, this is the United STATES of America. That means different states do different things differently. Like the way they issue an official document.

My "Certification of Birth" from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania only states my given name, date of birth, sex, and county of birth. It doesn't even name my parents.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It does seem strange that people could seriously believe that a major political party would risk jeopardising its own interests by selecting and promoting a presidential candidate who wasn't properly vetted according to basic rules of eligibility.

I suppose stranger things have happened - but it really does sound like grasping at straws. And it isn't lost of me that many of these sorts of criticisms aimed at Obama seem to have a very specific, limited appeal. All of this stuff seems to be about accentuating this idea of Obama's "otherness" and how he isn't "one of us".

I absolutly agree with your first Paragraph and a little of your second but when you strayed off on this suggestion.

<<All of this stuff seems to be about accentuating this idea of Obama's "otherness" and how he isn't "one of us">

you present "yourself" as the kooky one.

It's all about Politics ... and using the "rules" to-the-dot, to further their objective.

It has nothing about "race" which is your clear implication.

You often have worthwhile contributions in your posts but you do seem to "see racism" too often where none exists. what's up with that?

Racism where none exists? Come back when you've got an argument that doesn't involve snatching words out of the air, or borrowing the phraseology from Talk Radio pundits.

Quite simply - this birth certificate ####### comes on the back of the allegations of Obama's associations with terrorism, with his being a muslim, silly allegations over lapel pins and "fist jabs" and with his "Marxist Socialism".

All of these things serve a very singular purpose.

Well yeah, to discredit a person running for office, it has nothing to do with race.... just run of the mill politics. .... some of it unfair.. some rooted in Obama's history.

Perhaps you would explain why you won't address Rebeccajo's answer to your question.

From where I sit it would seem that you're just using your own ignorance to perpetuate baseless rumours. So yes - I'm afraid it is tin-foil hat time for you...

Wait a minute... are you slow of mind?

Here let me repeat myself again, I doubted there were any weight to all this Birth-cert stuff,

I just wondered why Obama seemed to feed the fire.

As for Rebeccajo's question, I actually did dig it out of my closet... in the dark (need to change that bulb) and in fact mine says "certificate of live birth".

Does this mean, I am not a citizen either

Of course mine has a lot more info than his does... hospital... doctors name and sig. etc.

Do you think those pursuing this case are just trying to hassle Obama or maybe they think there is something to all this?

I think they want there to be something to this. As I said...

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Obama isn't officially elected until the 55 member Electoral College casts its votes on 12/15/08, and they are read aloud on 1/6/09 by the President of the Senate. So it's not too late to challenge his citizenship claims. Before he takes office, he will have to present documentation to the Secretary of the Senate proving his qualifications to take office per Constitutional requirements. I'd prefer to have the issue dealt with before he is officially president rather than after, triggering a Constitutional crisis.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Obama isn't officially elected until the 55 member Electoral College casts its votes on 12/15/08, and they are read aloud on 1/6/09 by the President of the Senate. So it's not too late to challenge his citizenship claims. Before he takes office, he will have to present documentation to the Secretary of the Senate proving his qualifications to take office per Constitutional requirements. I'd prefer to have the issue dealt with before he is officially president rather than after, triggering a Constitutional crisis.

So there is no issue, because we have checks and balances to catch that sort of thing.

[britty 1]

irrespective of whether there is an issue or not, a bonafide birth certificate can always be "created" if necessary. If Obama can hide the origins of millions of dollars of campaign funds, associate with Bill Ayers, Father Pfleger, and Rev Wright, and dupe certain members of the general public with a "change" campaign which he then promptly forgot about when filling his posts with hacks from Clinton's disastrous administration, he is certainly capable of presenting any document you care to request.

Stringing together dubious rumours to create conspiracy doesn't sound terribly plausible I must say.

what dubious rumors? specifics please?

The ones you referenced - all the nudge-nudge, wink-wink ####### over Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright. To go from that to suggesting criminal conspiracy to "create" a birth certificate is just silly.

its not ####### and you know it. Obama launched his political career in Ayers' living room, they served on a board together. He also somehow sat in a pew in Wright's church for 20 years without hearing Wright's bombastic anti-American sermons. How is that nudge nudge wink wink ?? I have provided you with facts.

[rebeccajo 14]

Obama isn't officially elected until the 55 member Electoral College casts its votes on 12/15/08, and they are read aloud on 1/6/09 by the President of the Senate. So it's not too late to challenge his citizenship claims. Before he takes office, he will have to present documentation to the Secretary of the Senate proving his qualifications to take office per Constitutional requirements. I'd prefer to have the issue dealt with before he is officially president rather than after, triggering a Constitutional crisis.

I'd prefer it too so that people would shut up about it.

[britty 1]

irrespective of whether there is an issue or not, a bonafide birth certificate can always be "created" if necessary. If Obama can hide the origins of millions of dollars of campaign funds, associate with Bill Ayers, Father Pfleger, and Rev Wright, and dupe certain members of the general public with a "change" campaign which he then promptly forgot about when filling his posts with hacks from Clinton's disastrous administration, he is certainly capable of presenting any document you care to request.

OMG.

Obama's father was from a foreign country.

So that means his birth and the country he is a citizen of must certainly be questionable.

What an odd perspective for a website like VisaJourney.

and what a bizarre understanding of what I posted... re-read and then re-post if you must.

Drivel for drivel, britty. Get it?

You're too feckin' serious if you can't catch a nuance.

yes you do post drivel

Im not serious at all - just like baiting lefties with the truth they hate (well at least until Top Chef is on)....

[rebeccajo 14]

irrespective of whether there is an issue or not, a bonafide birth certificate can always be "created" if necessary. If Obama can hide the origins of millions of dollars of campaign funds, associate with Bill Ayers, Father Pfleger, and Rev Wright, and dupe certain members of the general public with a "change" campaign which he then promptly forgot about when filling his posts with hacks from Clinton's disastrous administration, he is certainly capable of presenting any document you care to request.

Stringing together dubious rumours to create conspiracy doesn't sound terribly plausible I must say.

what dubious rumors? specifics please?

The ones you referenced - all the nudge-nudge, wink-wink ####### over Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright. To go from that to suggesting criminal conspiracy to "create" a birth certificate is just silly.

its not ####### and you know it. Obama launched his political career in Ayers' living room, they served on a board together. He also somehow sat in a pew in Wright's church for 20 years without hearing Wright's bombastic anti-American sermons. How is that nudge nudge wink wink ?? I have provided you with facts.

Britty -

Psssst.

Your guy lost.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

irrespective of whether there is an issue or not, a bonafide birth certificate can always be "created" if necessary. If Obama can hide the origins of millions of dollars of campaign funds, associate with Bill Ayers, Father Pfleger, and Rev Wright, and dupe certain members of the general public with a "change" campaign which he then promptly forgot about when filling his posts with hacks from Clinton's disastrous administration, he is certainly capable of presenting any document you care to request.

Stringing together dubious rumours to create conspiracy doesn't sound terribly plausible I must say.

what dubious rumors? specifics please?

The ones you referenced - all the nudge-nudge, wink-wink ####### over Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright. To go from that to suggesting criminal conspiracy to "create" a birth certificate is just silly.

its not ####### and you know it. Obama launched his political career in Ayers' living room, they served on a board together. He also somehow sat in a pew in Wright's church for 20 years without hearing Wright's bombastic anti-American sermons. How is that nudge nudge wink wink ?? I have provided you with facts.

The only facts you presented are that he was associated with those people. Where the "nudge-nudge" stuff comes into play are in the rumours that have been circulated in regards to that - not least the bizarre assertions that because Ayers committed terrorist acts, that it follows that Obama must himself have extremist tendencies.

So yes - it is #######. Its ####### because you are using disparate rumours to point towards criminal conspiracy. Its the height of silliness.

[rebeccajo 14]

irrespective of whether there is an issue or not, a bonafide birth certificate can always be "created" if necessary. If Obama can hide the origins of millions of dollars of campaign funds, associate with Bill Ayers, Father Pfleger, and Rev Wright, and dupe certain members of the general public with a "change" campaign which he then promptly forgot about when filling his posts with hacks from Clinton's disastrous administration, he is certainly capable of presenting any document you care to request.

OMG.

Obama's father was from a foreign country.

So that means his birth and the country he is a citizen of must certainly be questionable.

What an odd perspective for a website like VisaJourney.

and what a bizarre understanding of what I posted... re-read and then re-post if you must.

Drivel for drivel, britty. Get it?

You're too feckin' serious if you can't catch a nuance.

yes you do post drivel

Im not serious at all - just like baiting lefties with the truth they hate (well at least until Top Chef is on)....

Yep, I'm a leftie.

Horrible horrible....tsk tsk

What's your excuse?