Former Obama opponent now suing to prove President-elect's citizenship

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Note the wording at the bottom of the Obama document, revision 11/01 (revision).

"This copy serves as a prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding" blah, blah, etc...

In other words, the original or facsimile thereof is not available. Why do you suppose that is?

The government keeps the original. All you get is a certified copy. The actual format of the certified copy changes over time in most jurisdictions.

so why not provide a copy of the original from microfiche?

So if I ask Trenton for a copy of my BC and if they send me what they send everyone else who asks for a copy, what do you suppose they'd say if I went back and asked for a copy from microfiche? The service exists for a reason, Obama's not special, he gets what everyone else who asks for reprints at that time gets.

[Ban Hammer 13,347]

Note the wording at the bottom of the Obama document, revision 11/01 (revision).

"This copy serves as a prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding" blah, blah, etc...

In other words, the original or facsimile thereof is not available. Why do you suppose that is?

The government keeps the original. All you get is a certified copy. The actual format of the certified copy changes over time in most jurisdictions.

so why not provide a copy of the original from microfiche?

Ask that to the issuing government.

Wow has this ever gone nowhere.

and that is what this has been all about. why not provide a copy from microfiche rather than this one that still does not answer questions.

Note the wording at the bottom of the Obama document, revision 11/01 (revision).

"This copy serves as a prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding" blah, blah, etc...

In other words, the original or facsimile thereof is not available. Why do you suppose that is?

The government keeps the original. All you get is a certified copy. The actual format of the certified copy changes over time in most jurisdictions.

so why not provide a copy of the original from microfiche?

So if I ask Trenton for a copy of my BC and if they send me what they send everyone else who asks for a copy, what do you suppose they'd say if I went back and asked for a copy from microfiche? The service exists for a reason, Obama's not special, he gets what everyone else who asks for reprints at that time gets.

and yet, it can be done. surely we've not junked all microfiche readers.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Note the wording at the bottom of the Obama document, revision 11/01 (revision).

"This copy serves as a prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding" blah, blah, etc...

In other words, the original or facsimile thereof is not available. Why do you suppose that is?

The government keeps the original. All you get is a certified copy. The actual format of the certified copy changes over time in most jurisdictions.

so why not provide a copy of the original from microfiche?

Ask that to the issuing government.

Wow has this ever gone nowhere.

and that is what this has been all about. why not provide a copy from microfiche rather than this one that still does not answer questions.

If you don't trust a certified copy, then you won't trust a copy from microfiche either. You either trust the State of Hawai'i and believe when they tell you a document is a 'certified copy' or you don't.

[IAMX 3,055]

Note the wording at the bottom of the Obama document, revision 11/01 (revision).

"This copy serves as a prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding" blah, blah, etc...

In other words, the original or facsimile thereof is not available. Why do you suppose that is?

The government keeps the original. All you get is a certified copy. The actual format of the certified copy changes over time in most jurisdictions.

so why not provide a copy of the original from microfiche?

Ask that to the issuing government.

Wow has this ever gone nowhere.

and that is what this has been all about. why not provide a copy from microfiche rather than this one that still does not answer questions.

It's very evident it never does. This question has nothing at all to do with Barack Obama being lawfully President. We're going off into left field now.

[William33 110]

Note the wording at the bottom of the Obama document, revision 11/01 (revision).

"This copy serves as a prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding" blah, blah, etc...

In other words, the original or facsimile thereof is not available. Why do you suppose that is?

The government keeps the original. All you get is a certified copy. The actual format of the certified copy changes over time in most jurisdictions.

so why not provide a copy of the original from microfiche?

So if I ask Trenton for a copy of my BC and if they send me what they send everyone else who asks for a copy, what do you suppose they'd say if I went back and asked for a copy from microfiche? The service exists for a reason, Obama's not special, he gets what everyone else who asks for reprints at that time gets.

Well, sure he is. He has the nuke button at his disposal, among countless other powers. A comprehensive document check is not unreasonable, given the gravity of his new position.

Edited November 20, 2008 by William33

[Ban Hammer 13,347]

Note the wording at the bottom of the Obama document, revision 11/01 (revision).

"This copy serves as a prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding" blah, blah, etc...

In other words, the original or facsimile thereof is not available. Why do you suppose that is?

The government keeps the original. All you get is a certified copy. The actual format of the certified copy changes over time in most jurisdictions.

so why not provide a copy of the original from microfiche?

Ask that to the issuing government.

Wow has this ever gone nowhere.

and that is what this has been all about. why not provide a copy from microfiche rather than this one that still does not answer questions.

If you don't trust a certified copy, then you won't trust a copy from microfiche either. You either trust the State of Hawai'i and believe when they tell you a document is a 'certified copy' or you don't.

interesting, aj telling me to trust the government. what's the world coming to?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

He's not President yet. When he asked for the certified copy, he wasn't President then either.

interesting, aj telling me to trust the government. what's the world coming to?

I'm not telling you to trust them. I'm saying you either trust them or you don't. If you don't trust them, there's no reason to trust a copy from microfiche they provide either. And if you do, then there's no reason not to trust the certified copy they have already provided.

Edited November 20, 2008 by A.J.

[Ban Hammer 13,347]

He's not President yet. When he asked for the certified copy, he wasn't President then either.

interesting, aj telling me to trust the government. what's the world coming to?

I'm not telling you to trust them. I'm saying you either trust them or you don't. If you don't trust them, there's no reason to trust a copy from microfiche they provide either. And if you do, then there's no reason not to trust the certified copy they have already provided.

or maybe the microfiche never existed.

[IAMX 3,055]

Note the wording at the bottom of the Obama document, revision 11/01 (revision).

"This copy serves as a prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding" blah, blah, etc...

In other words, the original or facsimile thereof is not available. Why do you suppose that is?

The government keeps the original. All you get is a certified copy. The actual format of the certified copy changes over time in most jurisdictions.

so why not provide a copy of the original from microfiche?

So if I ask Trenton for a copy of my BC and if they send me what they send everyone else who asks for a copy, what do you suppose they'd say if I went back and asked for a copy from microfiche? The service exists for a reason, Obama's not special, he gets what everyone else who asks for reprints at that time gets.

Well, sure he is. He has the nuke button at his disposal, among countless other powers. A comprehensive document check is not unreasonable, given the gravity of his new position.

Has this ever been done yet?

I never gave the DHS an "original" or even any copy from 1982. It was from 1999.

And I lol @ being more paranoid of Obama with the "button" over Bush.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

He's not President yet. When he asked for the certified copy, he wasn't President then either.

interesting, aj telling me to trust the government. what's the world coming to?

I'm not telling you to trust them. I'm saying you either trust them or you don't. If you don't trust them, there's no reason to trust a copy from microfiche they provide either. And if you do, then there's no reason not to trust the certified copy they have already provided.

or maybe the microfiche never existed.

Or maybe Hawai'i isn't even a state and the government is just lying to us about it!

[ready4ONE 5,400]

The state of Colorado now lists my adoptive father as my father on my 'official' birth certificate, some things can change from the original.

The birth location and time do not change, ever.

This is a non-issue brought up by someone who clearly has too much time, too little sense, and is a pathetic [to say nothing of sore] loser.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

This is a non-issue brought up by someone who clearly has too much time, too little sense, and is a pathetic [to say nothing of sore] loser.

[IAMX 3,055]

The state of Colorado now lists my adoptive father as my father on my 'official' birth certificate, some things can change from the original.

The birth location and time do not change, ever.

This is a non-issue brought up by someone who clearly has too much time, too little sense, and is a pathetic [to say nothing of sore] loser.

.. truth be told.

A witch hunt to nowhere.

[William33 110]

Note the wording at the bottom of the Obama document, revision 11/01 (revision).

"This copy serves as a prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding" blah, blah, etc...

In other words, the original or facsimile thereof is not available. Why do you suppose that is?

The government keeps the original. All you get is a certified copy. The actual format of the certified copy changes over time in most jurisdictions.

so why not provide a copy of the original from microfiche?

So if I ask Trenton for a copy of my BC and if they send me what they send everyone else who asks for a copy, what do you suppose they'd say if I went back and asked for a copy from microfiche? The service exists for a reason, Obama's not special, he gets what everyone else who asks for reprints at that time gets.

Well, sure he is. He has the nuke button at his disposal, among countless other powers. A comprehensive document check is not unreasonable, given the gravity of his new position.

Has this ever been done yet?

I never gave the DHS an "original" or even any copy from 1982. It was from 1999.

And I lol @ being more paranoid of Obama with the "button" over Bush.

Well, in 8 years it was never pressed. As an aside, if you hold a position of trust in the USG (with clearance), you can bet that your background was run to ground. The requirements for POTUS are much more lax.

Edited November 20, 2008 by William33

[William33 110]

The state of Colorado now lists my adoptive father as my father on my 'official' birth certificate, some things can change from the original.

The birth location and time do not change, ever.

This is a non-issue brought up by someone who clearly has too much time, too little sense, and is a pathetic [to say nothing of sore] loser.

Harsh ready4ONE. Not my issue, I am just playing along.... I support Obama and hope for his (and our) great success. I chose to "not vote" in this election, but always support my President.