Rape victim has the last word

[Danno 1,228]

I really wonder how many 'liberals' really favor late term abortions and minimization of rape victim's rights...

Haven't really heard of many in liberal-oriented Illinois.

Its the usual bunch of half-baked propaganda - of the same variety that convinced CA voters that Prop 8 needed to pass because if it didn't kids would be taught about gay rights in public schools and churches would be forced by law to marry same-sex couples.

There ya go, repeating misinformation again.

What is "half-baked" about telling the truth?

IN states where Gay marriage is legal, we have exactly that going on in schools.

http://massresistance.com/media/video/brainwashing.html

Not only in school but to the youngest of students who have no ability to question

or reason or resist. Watch the vids, the kids are like "jello" in the hands of the "educators".

why do you pretend this is not so?

[HAL 9000 96]

Then protest the curriculum, not the law.

[Danno 1,228]

I really wonder how many 'liberals' really favor late term abortions and minimization of rape victim's rights...

Haven't really heard of many in liberal-oriented Illinois.

Of course one has to look as what is "done" and not what is "said".

Try to pass a law to stop these abortions... and said liberals will insist on a

barn-door size loop-hole such as "health of the mother".... which we all know could mean

anything.

Meaning... protecting the health of the mother.

sooo lets see how easy it is to comply with "health of the mother"

restriction.

Preg. woman claims she is feeling depressed (maybe even suicidal) about having a baby.

Clearly her mental health is in danger and the abortion is granted.

One could think up endless situations like this which would make the "ban" meaningless.

[Danno 1,228]

Then protest the curriculum, not the law.

Actually... that's what the school says to the parents, "It's the law" now so we will teach about it as we wish.

So you have it backwards.

Once you give them "the law" they have the Green light to teach it.

[HAL 9000 96]

I really wonder how many 'liberals' really favor late term abortions and minimization of rape victim's rights...

Haven't really heard of many in liberal-oriented Illinois.

Of course one has to look as what is "done" and not what is "said".

Try to pass a law to stop these abortions... and said liberals will insist on a

barn-door size loop-hole such as "health of the mother".... which we all know could mean

anything.

Meaning... protecting the health of the mother.

sooo lets see how easy it is to comply with "health of the mother"

restriction.

Preg. woman claims she is feeling depressed (maybe even suicidal) about having a baby.

Clearly her mental health is in danger and the abortion is granted.

One could think up endless situations like this which would make the "ban" meaningless.

mental health is one thing and actual corporal health is another.

don't slide down that slippery slope cause all you'll get is a hearty dose of FAIL.

[HAL 9000 96]

Then protest the curriculum, not the law.

Actually... that's what the school says to the parents, "It's the law" now so we will teach about it as we wish.

So you have it backwards.

Once you give them "the law" they have the Green light to teach it.

State teaching standards are not based on law. I should know after teaching and implementing curricular standards for a couple of years.

So it is you, once again, that can taste the logic of FAIL.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I really wonder how many 'liberals' really favor late term abortions and minimization of rape victim's rights...

Haven't really heard of many in liberal-oriented Illinois.

Its the usual bunch of half-baked propaganda - of the same variety that convinced CA voters that Prop 8 needed to pass because if it didn't kids would be taught about gay rights in public schools and churches would be forced by law to marry same-sex couples.

There ya go, repeating misinformation again.

What is "half-baked" about telling the truth?

IN states where Gay marriage is legal, we have exactly that going on in schools.

http://massresistance.com/media/video/brainwashing.html

Not only in school but to the youngest of students who have no ability to question

or reason or resist. Watch the vids, the kids are like "jello" in the hands of the "educators".

why do you pretend this is not so?

I think its funny that you assume all this from an internet video.

Its not too dissimilar to a conversation I had with someone else who was absolutely convinced that UK schools were removing the holocaust from school curriculums in order to "appease" muslim extremists.

Like that other person - it seems to me that you have simply latched onto something that you have no other context for and on that basis buy into the exaggerations put about by shrewd political marketers.

[HAL 9000 96]

I think its pathetic.

[Danno 1,228]

Then protest the curriculum, not the law.

Actually... that's what the school says to the parents, "It's the law" now so we will teach about it as we wish.

So you have it backwards.

Once you give them "the law" they have the Green light to teach it.

State teaching standards are not based on law. I should know after teaching and implementing curricular standards for a couple of years.

So it is you, once again, that can taste the logic of FAIL.

LOL, who are you kidding?

Do you think the average American will watch those films of children being trained to look at this topic from a "gay rights' point of view and not see it for what it is?

You sound like the States lawyer at the Rodney King case, telling us what we see in the video is

not really what we see. ... a man being beaten worse than an animal is not really what is going on here.

Dream on with that "logic"....it might work in some late-night .. wanna be intellectual ....collage dorm debate...

but it won't work with middle America, not yet anyway.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Middle America isn't what it used to be.

[HAL 9000 96]

Then protest the curriculum, not the law.

Actually... that's what the school says to the parents, "It's the law" now so we will teach about it as we wish.

So you have it backwards.

Once you give them "the law" they have the Green light to teach it.

State teaching standards are not based on law. I should know after teaching and implementing curricular standards for a couple of years.

So it is you, once again, that can taste the logic of FAIL.

LOL, who are you kidding?

Do you think the average American will watch those films of children being trained to look at this topic from a "gay rights' point of view and not see it for what it is?

You sound like the States lawyer at the Rodney King case, telling us what we see in the video is

not really what we see. ... a man being beaten worse than an animal is not really what is going on here.

Dream on with that "logic"....it might work in some late-night .. wanna be intellectual ....collage dorm debate...

but it won't work with middle America, not yet anyway.

Well I'm obviously not kidding you.

Which means two negatives can't cancel out and you're still stuck on the negative side of the number line.

Coincidentally, are you calling 'middle Americans' ignorami? Get over it with your slippery slope already. Its pointless and pathetic. And does nothing more than augment the reason that homophobia has no reasonable place in a modern society.

[Danno 1,228]

Then protest the curriculum, not the law.

Actually... that's what the school says to the parents, "It's the law" now so we will teach about it as we wish.

So you have it backwards.

Once you give them "the law" they have the Green light to teach it.

State teaching standards are not based on law. I should know after teaching and implementing curricular standards for a couple of years.

So it is you, once again, that can taste the logic of FAIL.

LOL, who are you kidding?

Do you think the average American will watch those films of children being trained to look at this topic from a "gay rights' point of view and not see it for what it is?

You sound like the States lawyer at the Rodney King case, telling us what we see in the video is

not really what we see. ... a man being beaten worse than an animal is not really what is going on here.

Dream on with that "logic"....it might work in some late-night .. wanna be intellectual ....collage dorm debate...

but it won't work with middle America, not yet anyway.

Well I'm obviously not kidding you.

Which means two negatives can't cancel out and you're still stuck on the negative side of the number line.

Coincidentally, are you calling 'middle Americans' ignorami? Get over it with your slippery slope already. Its pointless and pathetic. And does nothing more than augment the reason that homophobia has no reasonable place in a modern society.

Stop and think about what you wrote.

If Gay marriage doesn't sit right with me, I am "homophobic"?

And you say, Homophobia doesn't have a place in Modern society?

So when Gay Marriage is banned (by constitutional amendment no less) nearly every time the people get a chance to vote on it..... seems to me either your silly term "Homophobia" is meaningless or... it really "does" have a large place in this modern society.

And what is this fixation about "slippery slope" on every post, I never used that term.

The Slippery slope argument comes in when we talk about the next group wanting to be married.... on this thread we have not been there (and please, lets not go).

Edited November 18, 2008 by Danno

[Ban Hammer 13,659]

I found this regarding a rapist's profile:

Danger signs 1) Insensitivity for others/emphasis on self - Does this person put his wants above the needs, feelings or well being of others? Is getting his way more important to him than other people's welfare? Often this can go beyond mere selfishness and border nearly on an "assumed divine right." Often these people will justify a particularly vicious action with a flip comment like, "Hey, that's how the game is played." Such a person has no understanding that he must co-exist with others. Because he simply exists he thinks the world "owes" him whatever he wants. A common tactic of such a person it to make you feel bad for not doing what he wants.

2) Belittling behavior or attitudes towards others - Does this person habitually make nasty, belittling or degrading comments about others – especially under the guise of joking? Does this person think he is better than others? Does he look down on others? A nouveau riche aristocrat? Is he a racist? A person who thinks that race or social position makes him superior can also assume gender does too. When you think you are superior, an assumed right to ‘take’ what you want often follows.

3) Negating behavior or comments - Closely related to 1 and 2. Does he try to tell you what you are feeling or thinking? Or worse, tell you what you are not? Comments like "you don’t really mean that" are serious indicators of someone trying to negate you. A person who negates others is trying to take away the other person’s thoughts, feelings and needs and attempting to project his wants onto that person. The most obvious example of this is "Well even though she said ‘no’, she really meant ‘yes’".

4) Hostile and/or threatening language - What words does a person use? Choice of words convey subconscious assumptions about a particular topic. For example a man who generically refers to women as "bitches" does not have good assumptions about females (or much respect). It is all too easy to dismiss this behavior as just "blowing off steam." But if it is a constant behavior, it goes far beyond that. Someone who habitually uses violent or threatening language should be carefully watched for possible escalation. It’s on his mind already. It’s a uncomfortably short step from ‘thinking about’ to ‘doing’.

5) Bullying - This behavior is especially dangerous. Does this person use overt or subtle threats to get his way? A bully uses the threat of violence more than actual violence. Most often bullies are not willing to risk conflict with someone who can hurt them (an alpha male), and will instead chose to intimidate someone he considers weaker and safer. Someone who is bullying over other matters can easily turn to bullying you regarding sex.

6) Excessive anger - How easy does this person anger? Is he a "Short Fuse"? Does he boil over at the slightest problem? This is an indication of chronic anger. A person who explodes over a minor issue is like a full pot boiling over on the stove. It’s not that the issue is all that important, but that he has so much anger already, any more causes him to explode. Often people with chronic anger look for targets to vent their anger at. This could manifest as physical fights, abuse, or rape.

7) Brooding/ revenge - Does this person hang onto his anger long after the situation is over? Will he still be stewing over something while everyone else has moved onto other things? Will he become anti-social and glare at the source of his anger from across the room? Will he insist on taking revenge for real or imagined slights? Both indicate a petty and obsessive personality. A brooder fixates on something and then works himself into a frenzy over it. A person who seeks revenge "has to win" and is willing to take it to extremes. Refusing such a person’s sexual advances can turn this tendency towards you.

8) Obsession – This is a close cousin to number seven. It is a major factor with acquaintance rapes. This is the person who won’t leave you alone. He insists on ‘hitting on you’ long after you have told him no. He is always trying establish forced intimacy (see ‘bonding process’ below). Such obsessions easily turn into anger when his advances are rejected. One day he shows up in a fringe area, drunk and attacks.

9) Extreme mood swings - Beware someone who can go from wildly happy to deeply wounded at a moment's notice. This sort of personality can feel justified to commit an unlimited amount of violence and damage, because you "hurt his feelings." This is a common pattern among those with chronic anger about life.

10) Physical tantrums - How does this person get angry? Especially when denied "getting his way". Beware of a person who regularly physically assaults his environment i.e. hitting walls, kicking things etc. It is only a short step from striking a car to attacking you.

11) Jock or gorilla mentality - This mentality promotes both acceptance and encouragement for the use of violence. It is especially common among participants of contact sports. What is most insidious about this mentality is the "jock" receives, not only positive reinforcement, but out-and-out applause for being aggressive and violent. This can easily lead to a failure to differentiate between the playing field and real life. Mike Tyson’s comment is a prime example: "Nobody ever objected before."

12) A mean drunk - Nearly all rape and abuse cases involve alcohol. Watch what surfaces when someone is intoxicated. It shows what is always lurking underneath. Do not put yourself into a situation where you would deal with such a person while he is intoxicated. Most importantly, don't allow your facilities to be diminished by alcohol or drugs in this person's presence.

13) Alcohol or drug abuse - To begin with drug and alcohol addiction can in be traced back to selfishness and a refusal to change one’s world view. Alcohol and drugs are not the cause of bad behavior, rather they are used as an excuse! Often the attacker intentionally became intoxicated to ignore the social restrictions and inhibitions regarding violence.

While there are others, these behaviors are serious indicators of a potential rapist. This short list should acquaint you with the basics. Not all men are rapists, but a person like this has a higher probability than others. You not only find these traits among rapists and abusers, but also professional criminals. Philosophically there is little difference between such, they are all selfish. Most often it is just a matter of degrees, style and choice of victims.

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/profile.html

uh huh. uh huh. someone needs to tell platy he's in danger of being raped by the illuminati.

[SteveLaura 0]

As homosexuality becomes even less of a taboo and more & more people have gay friends, siblings, offspring, etc, the push to 'save' traditional marriage will become little more than a nudge. This generation will see that a differing lifestyle is absolutely no threat to what you yourself want to practice. Let the next generation fight to marry their pet goats, if they so choose. This generation are just fighting for equality for same-sex partners. I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with that.

[NickD 203]

Then protest the curriculum, not the law.

Actually... that's what the school says to the parents, "It's the law" now so we will teach about it as we wish.

So you have it backwards.

Once you give them "the law" they have the Green light to teach it.

State teaching standards are not based on law. I should know after teaching and implementing curricular standards for a couple of years.

So it is you, once again, that can taste the logic of FAIL.

LOL, who are you kidding?

Do you think the average American will watch those films of children being trained to look at this topic from a "gay rights' point of view and not see it for what it is?

You sound like the States lawyer at the Rodney King case, telling us what we see in the video is

not really what we see. ... a man being beaten worse than an animal is not really what is going on here.

Dream on with that "logic"....it might work in some late-night .. wanna be intellectual ....collage dorm debate...

but it won't work with middle America, not yet anyway.

Well I'm obviously not kidding you.

Which means two negatives can't cancel out and you're still stuck on the negative side of the number line.

Coincidentally, are you calling 'middle Americans' ignorami? Get over it with your slippery slope already. Its pointless and pathetic. And does nothing more than augment the reason that homophobia has no reasonable place in a modern society.

Stop and think about what you wrote.

If Gay marriage doesn't sit right with me, I am "homophobic"?

And you say, Homophobia doesn't have a place in Modern society?

So when Gay Marriage is banned (by constitutional amendment no less) nearly every time the people get a chance to vote on it..... seems to me either your silly term "Homophobia" is meaningless or... it really "does" have a large place in this modern society.

And what is this fixation about "slippery slope" on every post, I never used that term.

The Slippery slope argument comes in when we talk about the next group wanting to be married.... on this thread we have not been there (and please, lets not go).

You mean people that want to marry their horses, dogs, cats, or even pigs? Ha, think some people already have married pigs, so should drop that one, LOL.