Priest advises penance for Obama vote

[NickD 203]

He's not the only priest that told his flock how they should vote in the election, all the priests did in the LaCrosse Diocese, as commissioned by the bishop. But do Catholics stand up to this? Maybe one or two that have any brains, admittedly this priest went overboard in prejudging. So are we suppose to support a president that has already responsible for killing 3/4 million people, uses torture, see

and the candidate that states he will continue this practice that because the claim they are against abortion? Has either of these men done anything in their long time careers to stop abortion?

One key reason for an abortion, in a married family is the inability to support that child, so while they claim they are against abortion, they are in effect a major cause for this so-called crime.

But the word abortion is seldom used, the key words are either ProChoice or ProLife and why are candidates for president even asked this question? The key question is it's legal definition of when life begins that was established by the supreme court in Roe versus Wade and in theory at least, this is a separate entity from the executive branch, and the executive branch does not have authority to influence the judgments of the supreme court so it really doesn't make any difference how the candidates feel on this subject. Rightfully, the congress can override the supreme court by revising the constitution further taking away any responsibility from the executive branch.

But can the law of the land actually stop a woman from having an abortion? No more than they can stop any other crime, but what they can do is to assign a punishment if this is a proclaimed as a crime. So if it is proved in a court of law that a woman did have an abortion, and the punishment is death by crucifixion, is this is what the Catholic Church is asking for? Or maybe they would prefer, women who have abortions be burnt at the stake. The point is, the Catholic Church is not stating clearly what punishment they want the law makers to assign for women that have abortions or for the ones the perform the abortions.

Just saying to vote for a candidate whether they are ProChoice or ProLife is ludicrous at least and ridiculous at most. But perhaps they will feel better if the law would burn a woman at the stake if she has an abortion, they are not making their position on the subject clear. And in like manner the church is in no position to scientifically state if a sperm hits the egg, this is when God infuses a soul into that event, or even prove is there isn't even a soul to begin with.

But we live in a government that insists on separation of religion from state, the church has a very poor history of being in charge of state and it certainly did not work out. It's fine for them to tell their parishioners that it is a mortal sin for a woman to have an abortion just as it was a mortal sin to eat a hamburger on a Friday. And if they don't confess these misgivings and do a penance to expect to go to hell, if there is even a hell, they have no proof of that either. But legal law requires proof not notions of faith. Other religions believe it's sin to have a blood transfusion, I would be dead today, if I believe that. And even committed more sins by giving blood so others could live.

It's crazy, it's thought that breaking any of the ten commandments in terms of punishment goes in descending order where the worse punishment is in breaking the first where abortion would fall under the fifth commandment, Thous shall not kill. So if a woman is to be burnt at the stake for breaking the fifth, God help her if she uses God's name in vain.

Church as well as many other religions, need to get their act together.

[IAMX 3,055]

He's not the only priest that told his flock how they should vote in the election, all the priests did in the LaCrosse Diocese, as commissioned by the bishop. But do Catholics stand up to this? Maybe one or two that have any brains, admittedly this priest went overboard in prejudging. So are we suppose to support a president that has already responsible for killing 3/4 million people, uses torture, see

and the candidate that states he will continue this practice that because the claim they are against abortion? Has either of these men done anything in their long time careers to stop abortion?

They're all for killing people in the name of justice, even if they may be innocent. I think when these uppity religious folks decided on what to constitute good and bad for the "life" debate, they just flipped a coin or used a magic 8-ball.

One key reason for an abortion, in a married family is the inability to support that child, so while they claim they are against abortion, they are in effect a major cause for this so-called crime.

Also against gays adopting, while stating one of the things in outlawing abortions is to have more people adopt. Wups. Sorry gays, you're not in their plans for this one either.

Edited November 14, 2008 by SRVT

[NickD 203]

Being for or against abortion are just words, and words without action are meaningless.

And a candidate that states he/she is against abortion but doesn't do anything about it, is a hypocrite. A few republicans already came out and stated that using the fear of God to get votes has to be eliminated from their platform, it's not working anymore. Can't believe not only the Catholic church but other religions, even the none religious have been suckered into this fear tactic of getting votes.

But is they are really sincere on taking civil action on those that either had an abortion or performed one, they just have to get together, raise money and put pressure on congress. But if congress passes a law to outlaw abortions, but doesn't provide the funds to support that law, it's all hot air. If it is enforced, then some kind of punishment has to be assigned, whether it's a five dollar fine or to be burnt at the stake. But it will be up to those that want this law passed to consider and push for what kind of punishment they feel is adequate. That would be an interesting debate.

[Niels Bohr 72]

This priest job is not unifying people, but dividing people. Therefore, there'll be less church goers because of him.

[jundp 191]

This priest job is not unifying people, but dividing people. Therefore, there'll be less church goers because of him.

No. This particular priest is dividing people. Many priests, preachers, pastors are excellent at helping to unify people.

[IAMX 3,055]

This priest job is not unifying people, but dividing people. Therefore, there'll be less church goers because of him.

No. This particular priest is dividing people. Many priests, preachers, pastors are excellent at helping to unify people.

You just iterated the same thing he did..

[Danno 1,228]

This priest job is not unifying people, but dividing people. Therefore, there'll be less church goers because of him.

No. This particular priest is dividing people. Many priests, preachers, pastors are excellent at helping to unify people.

Well you know, this guy is not the first Priest to divide the flock, in fact, there are a number of books written about Priests who spoke out against what the Nazi's were doing or what the Communists where doing, if they were not shot, they went to Gulags or Concentration camps.

... and they paid the price.

There stories are inspiring and can teach us to stand up to

Governments and Societies which discard human life unjustly.

It's always easy to swim down-stream, and not ruffle feathers.

But I hope I am never one to shy away from saying;

Abortion, in almost every instance, is a murder of convenience.

In my eyes the Abortionist Doctor getting rich off of destroying human flesh, is the bad-guy... Not this priest who might ...or might not have erred in his effort to resist it.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

This priest job is not unifying people, but dividing people. Therefore, there'll be less church goers because of him.

No. This particular priest is dividing people. Many priests, preachers, pastors are excellent at helping to unify people.

Well you know, this guy is not the first Priest to divide the flock, in fact, there are a number of books written about Priests who spoke out against what the Nazi's were doing or what the Communists where doing, if they were not shot, they went to Gulags or Concentration camps.

... and they paid the price.

There stories are inspiring and can teach us to stand up to

Governments and Societies which discard human life unjustly.

It's always easy to swim down-stream, and not ruffle feathers.

But I hope I am never one to shy away from saying;

Abortion, in almost every instance, is a murder of convenience.

In my eyes the Abortionist Doctor getting rich off of destroying human flesh, is the bad-guy... Not this priest who might ...or might not have erred in his effort to resist it.

Err, ok. What does this have to do with the priests' actions? Medical doctors are scientists, not "men of the cloth/faith". Chill. You love drama, don't you? Go confess to your priest, pronto.

[aidan80 9]

Confession is good for the soul..

[*JG* 2]

I saw some of this kind of shyt from the Archdiocese here as well. BS.

I work for Jesuit Priests in Missouri and I can tell you the majority I talk to on a daily basis do not think like the article one bit.

[Danno 1,228]

Confession is good for the soul..

On this we agree.

As I recall "confession" was step one "contrition" was next.

Not sure how valid the first one was ...without the second.

[Teacher Mark 53]

Is it a mortal, or just a regular sin to tell a priest to go f#$% themselves?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Is it a mortal, or just a regular sin to tell a priest to go f#$% themselves?

Hopefully, enough of his parishners essentially told him that. Somebody should report him to his bishop.

[Teacher Mark 53]

Is it a mortal, or just a regular sin to tell a priest to go f#$% themselves?

Hopefully, enough of his parishners essentially told him that. Somebody should report him to his bishop.

His Bishop probably knows by now! In fact the Pope probably knows by now.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Is it a mortal, or just a regular sin to tell a priest to go f#$% themselves?

Hopefully, enough of his parishners essentially told him that. Somebody should report him to his bishop.

His Bishop probably knows by now! In fact the Pope probably knows by now.

I hope so. He should be made to apologize to the parishners for bringing politics into the Mass.