Is General Motors Worth Saving?

[wsr 0]

Uh oh, boy wonder from down under is going after degrees again. E-####### +5 points.

Well considering my friend is an engineer at GM in AUS I think I would have some idea. I argued with him about the same car until he mentioned the actual reasons they scrapped it. Which made a lot of sense. He did admit they made a mistake underestimating the demand for a prius though.

To name a few: First of all it was a hideous car. Second of all they were producing the cars at a loss. GM is not Greenpeace.

Would Californians like you buy it once they saw the carbon footprint required to produce and discard the batteries. No. You would be making films on how GM is polluting the earth.

The car makes we want to vomit.

Well said..that documentary on the EV1 was one of the worst things to happen to the auto industry. People believe it like its gospel and blame GM for everything! They don't understand how impractical that car was because noone speaks up in defense of GM's actions.

GM also underestimated the demand of the Prius in a time when SUVs were still selling like hotcakes!

GM stepped up though but hopefully not too late in the development of the Volt. A second generation battery and a one-up on the Prius. Now only if they can survive long enough for people to buy into it and feel convinced and comfortable with the car.

[PlatyPius 5]

GM sucks ####### and deserves to die. The people who depend on them for a job, however, don't. Personally, I'd be overjoyed to see GM shutter it's factories and go away for good. They've built too many ####### cars for too many years. Chrysler, too. However, my town would be a ghost town if one or all of the "Big Three" failed.

[IAMX 3,055]

Uh oh, boy wonder from down under is going after degrees again. E-####### +5 points.

Well considering my friend is an engineer at GM in AUS I think I would have some idea. I argued with him about the same car until he mentioned the actual reasons they scrapped it. Which made a lot of sense. He did admit they made a mistake underestimating the demand for a prius though.

To name a few: First of all it was a hideous car. Second of all they were producing the cars at a loss. GM is not Greenpeace.

Would Californians like you buy it once they saw the carbon footprint required to produce and discard the batteries. No. You would be making films on how GM is polluting the earth.

The car makes we want to vomit.

It actually looks pretty decent, somewhat like the Insight. That back plate guarding the tires is the only thing that looks aesthetically bothersome and the panel looks like it can be removed. People were, here, saying the same thing you're saying about both the Insight and Prius. Now look at who's driving them. By the way, something you may not know about California has a rather comprehensive battery recycling plan that covers ALL batteries. This is what happens when you stupidly assume things, which I'm sure doesn't bother you. More fun for me.

Edited November 14, 2008 by SRVT

[Heracles 417]

Well said..that documentary on the EV1 was one of the worst things to happen to the auto industry. People believe it like its gospel and blame GM for everything! They don't understand how impractical that car was because noone speaks up in defense of GM's actions.

GM also underestimated the demand of the Prius in a time when SUVs were still selling like hotcakes!

GM stepped up though but hopefully not too late in the development of the Volt. A second generation battery and a one-up on the Prius. Now only if they can survive long enough for people to buy into it and feel convinced and comfortable with the car.

I wonder if SVRT has tried to use a simple cell phone in 115 degree or 0 degree weather. The batteries drain and die quite quickly; If they work at all. In 1996 the technology was simply not there. Even to this day batteries are still an issue.

But hey if Hollywood says it is true then it must be it. The killing of the EV1 was a conspiracy.

Edited November 14, 2008 by Aficionado

[IAMX 3,055]

Well said..that documentary on the EV1 was one of the worst things to happen to the auto industry. People believe it like its gospel and blame GM for everything! They don't understand how impractical that car was because noone speaks up in defense of GM's actions.

GM also underestimated the demand of the Prius in a time when SUVs were still selling like hotcakes!

GM stepped up though but hopefully not too late in the development of the Volt. A second generation battery and a one-up on the Prius. Now only if they can survive long enough for people to buy into it and feel convinced and comfortable with the car.

I wonder if SVRT has tried to use a simple cell phone in 115 degree or 0 degree weather. The batteries drain and die quite quickly; If they work at all. In 1996 the technology was simply not there. Even to this day batteries are still an issue.

But hey if Hollywood says it is true then it must be it. The killing of the EV1 was a conspiracy.

Funny thing is, I never bothered to watch the documentary. This was covered in curriculum.

Wild tangent wrong yet again. What's the count here?

[Amby 490]

Uh oh, boy wonder from down under is going after degrees again. E-####### +5 points.

Well considering my friend is an engineer at GM in AUS I think I would have some idea. I argued with him about the same car until he mentioned the actual reasons they scrapped it. Which made a lot of sense. He did admit they made a mistake underestimating the demand for a prius though.

To name a few: First of all it was a hideous car. Second of all they were producing the cars at a loss. GM is not Greenpeace.

Would Californians like you buy it once they saw the carbon footprint required to produce and discard the batteries. No. You would be making films on how GM is polluting the earth.

The car makes we want to vomit.

omg that's an ugly car

[IAMX 3,055]

Uh oh, boy wonder from down under is going after degrees again. E-####### +5 points.

Well considering my friend is an engineer at GM in AUS I think I would have some idea. I argued with him about the same car until he mentioned the actual reasons they scrapped it. Which made a lot of sense. He did admit they made a mistake underestimating the demand for a prius though.

To name a few: First of all it was a hideous car. Second of all they were producing the cars at a loss. GM is not Greenpeace.

Would Californians like you buy it once they saw the carbon footprint required to produce and discard the batteries. No. You would be making films on how GM is polluting the earth.

The car makes we want to vomit.

omg that's an ugly car

Pfft, you love the rim protector there. People be wantin' to jack them rims.

[Heracles 417]

It actually looks pretty decent, somewhat like the Insight. That back plate guarding the tires is the only thing that looks aesthetically bothersome and the panel looks like it can be removed. People were, here, saying the same thing you're saying about both the Insight and Prius. Now look at who's driving them. By the way, something you may not know about California has a rather comprehensive battery recycling plan that covers ALL batteries. This is what happens when you stupidly assume things, which I'm sure doesn't bother you. More fun for me.

Which started in 2005. The EV1 came out in 1996. Have you ever seen the chemicals and processes required to recycle stuff like that. Being green, maybe you can create an organic battery. Or should be bolt wind mills to the car?

PS These battery recycling programs remind me of this Penn & Teller episode.

Edited November 14, 2008 by Aficionado

[IAMX 3,055]

Weird. I thought batteries have been around long before the EV1 came along..

So given your Penn & Teller link (they are awesome indeed), I guess you're not worried at ALL about disposing of BEV batteries. #### the recycling plans, I'm sure you're all for just dumping them.

[Heracles 417]

Funny thing is, I never bothered to watch the documentary. This was covered in curriculum.

Wild tangent wrong yet again. What's the count here?

What is wrong in particular or is it that you simply don't agree with what I am saying?

The EV1 used NiMH batteries which could only be charged between 500 to 1,000 times. They also discharge quite rapidly. The prius you love so much does not put anywhere near the same load on the batteries that the Ev1 did. Have you got $35,000 to replace them every few years?

Edited November 14, 2008 by Aficionado

[IAMX 3,055]

Funny thing is, I never bothered to watch the documentary. This was covered in curriculum.

Wild tangent wrong yet again. What's the count here?

What is wrong in particular or is it that you simply don't agree with what I am saying?

The EV1 used NiMH batteries which could only be charged between 500 to 1,000 times. They also discharge quite rapidly. The prius you love so much does not put anywhere near the same load on the batteries that the Ev1 did. Have you got $35,000 to replace them every few years?

I don't recall suggesting we should still have the EV1s out in full force, but that GM threw away it's own innovation by canning them the way they did, stifling their OWN progress, and thus playing part of the "bigger is better", "gas guzzler" craze that helped get us into this mess, one I don't need to worry about because I wasn't a moron and bought a gas guzzler. Just like the evolution of emissions and efficiency with the catalytic converter and EGR valve, they'd be sitting pretty if they held onto the EV1 and built from there. Too bad. #### GM.

[Heracles 417]

I don't recall suggesting we should still have the EV1s out in full force, but that GM threw away it's own innovation by canning them the way they did, stifling their OWN progress, and thus playing part of the "bigger is better", "gas guzzler" craze that helped get us into this mess, one I don't need to worry about because I wasn't a moron and bought a gas guzzler. Just like the evolution of emissions and efficiency with the catalytic converter and EGR valve, they'd be sitting pretty if they held onto the EV1 and built from there. Too bad. #### GM.

And the equivalent electric car from Toyota and Honda is? Sorry can't hear you?

[IAMX 3,055]

I don't recall suggesting we should still have the EV1s out in full force, but that GM threw away it's own innovation by canning them the way they did, stifling their OWN progress, and thus playing part of the "bigger is better", "gas guzzler" craze that helped get us into this mess, one I don't need to worry about because I wasn't a moron and bought a gas guzzler. Just like the evolution of emissions and efficiency with the catalytic converter and EGR valve, they'd be sitting pretty if they held onto the EV1 and built from there. Too bad. #### GM.

And the equivalent electric car from Toyota and Honda is? Sorry can't hear you?

There is no BEV Toyota or Honda yet. We've determined that we still love oil enough to make a hybrid, despite the Prius conversions to entirely plug-in/BEV.

[Heracles 417]

I don't recall suggesting we should still have the EV1s out in full force, but that GM threw away it's own innovation by canning them the way they did, stifling their OWN progress, and thus playing part of the "bigger is better", "gas guzzler" craze that helped get us into this mess, one I don't need to worry about because I wasn't a moron and bought a gas guzzler. Just like the evolution of emissions and efficiency with the catalytic converter and EGR valve, they'd be sitting pretty if they held onto the EV1 and built from there. Too bad. #### GM.

And the equivalent electric car from Toyota and Honda is? Sorry can't hear you?

There is no BEV Toyota or Honda yet. We've determined that we still love oil enough to make a hybrid, despite the Prius conversions to entirely plug-in/BEV.

Aaaahhh okay. So they don't. But Gm is the bad guy.

[Amby 490]

Uh oh, boy wonder from down under is going after degrees again. E-####### +5 points.

Well considering my friend is an engineer at GM in AUS I think I would have some idea. I argued with him about the same car until he mentioned the actual reasons they scrapped it. Which made a lot of sense. He did admit they made a mistake underestimating the demand for a prius though.

To name a few: First of all it was a hideous car. Second of all they were producing the cars at a loss. GM is not Greenpeace.

Would Californians like you buy it once they saw the carbon footprint required to produce and discard the batteries. No. You would be making films on how GM is polluting the earth.

The car makes we want to vomit.

omg that's an ugly car

Pfft, you love the rim protector there. People be wantin' to jack them rims.

If I had rims like that on my car I would invite people to steal them