Is General Motors Worth Saving?

[Amby 490]

who would buy a ford and a gm? Japanese cars are better a little expensive but worth till its last breath..

which japanese cars are expensive?

Lexuses/Lexi?

It's like, "hey, let's pay $70,000 for a Toyota"

Lexus are ####. Never buy a Lexus. My friend's dad owns the Toyota/Lexus/Mitsubishi dealership here and they don't even drive them

eta: I learned Lexus is #### when I test drove one and they told me not to buy it because they're ####

Edited November 14, 2008 by Amby

[wsr 0]

who would buy a ford and a gm? Japanese cars are better a little expensive but worth till its last breath..

which japanese cars are expensive?

Lexuses/Lexi?

It's like, "hey, let's pay $70,000 for a Toyota"

Ohhh you know what's funny? The Lexus hybrid costs about 20k more than its counterpart yet gets only about 2 mpg more.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

who would buy a ford and a gm? Japanese cars are better a little expensive but worth till its last breath..

which japanese cars are expensive?

Lexuses/Lexi?

It's like, "hey, let's pay $70,000 for a Toyota"

Ohhh you know what's funny? The Lexus hybrid costs about 20k more than its counterpart yet gets only about 2 mpg more.

That's the marvel of Toyota engineering. Japan rules. It will only take 230 years to make up the price difference of the hybrid over the regular model. SRVT will probably buy several since money is no object and he goes to sleep at night dreaming of Toyota.

[mawilson 2,133]

who would buy a ford and a gm? Japanese cars are better a little expensive but worth till its last breath..

which japanese cars are expensive?

Lexuses/Lexi?

It's like, "hey, let's pay $70,000 for a Toyota"

Ohhh you know what's funny? The Lexus hybrid costs about 20k more than its counterpart yet gets only about 2 mpg more.

That's the marvel of Toyota engineering. Japan rules. It will only take 230 years to make up the price difference of the hybrid over the regular model. SRVT will probably buy several since money is no object and he goes to sleep at night dreaming of Toyota.

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

Shut up

who gives you this responsibility.

Shut up yourself, jerk.

Tavo senses this noob hasn't figured out OT yet,

Shut up noob

actually, his join date is earlier than yours.

So,

Inspector Charles at my service thanks!!

silence, noob!

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

At the same time, logic says, for combustible engines, the bigger car you get, the worse mileage you get as more fuel is needed to pull the weight, the more money you waste. The more people with bigger cars, the more gas gets used, the lower supply gets (remembering crude is not an infinite resource), the higher the price gets. Is this a difficult concept to grasp?

I personally don't care if it's $2/gallon or $10/gallon, but I understand that most people do.

GM understand it too. They

why the hell can you say that and not get b*tched out? I said that a few months ago and was fire bombed.

because he's a cute little gecko - and you're not.

[Amby 490]

At the same time, logic says, for combustible engines, the bigger car you get, the worse mileage you get as more fuel is needed to pull the weight, the more money you waste. The more people with bigger cars, the more gas gets used, the lower supply gets (remembering crude is not an infinite resource), the higher the price gets. Is this a difficult concept to grasp?

I personally don't care if it's $2/gallon or $10/gallon, but I understand that most people do.

GM understand it too. They

why the hell can you say that and not get b*tched out? I said that a few months ago and was fire bombed.

because he's a cute little gecko - and you're not.

I think he said it a little differently than I did. Mine was a lot more "I don't give a #### if you can't afford it because I can"

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

btw, donna. 3 gm vehicles here:

96 camaro - mileage 115k

02 silverado - mileage 30k

08 vibe - mileage mid 6k

and we're pleased with all of them. thank you for your work and for producing great vehicles.

from a 29 year gm customer.

At the same time, logic says, for combustible engines, the bigger car you get, the worse mileage you get as more fuel is needed to pull the weight, the more money you waste. The more people with bigger cars, the more gas gets used, the lower supply gets (remembering crude is not an infinite resource), the higher the price gets. Is this a difficult concept to grasp?

I personally don't care if it's $2/gallon or $10/gallon, but I understand that most people do.

GM understand it too. They

why the hell can you say that and not get b*tched out? I said that a few months ago and was fire bombed.

because he's a cute little gecko - and you're not.

I think he said it a little differently than I did. Mine was a lot more "I don't give a #### if you can't afford it because I can"

it's the accent. he has one, you don't.

[Donna A 4]

btw, donna. 3 gm vehicles here:

96 camaro - mileage 115k

02 silverado - mileage 30k

08 vibe - mileage mid 6k

and we're pleased with all of them. thank you for your work and for producing great vehicles.

from a 29 year gm customer.

thanks charles...thats the american spirit!!!! keep an eye out for the new cruze here in another year...hopefully ill be building that cute little car...that is if im not laid off due to those nasty nasty bankrupting unions. im due to be permatetly on jan 9 laid off...but thanks to these worthless unions i have job security and they will have to pay me until retirement if i dont go back to work.

lou dobbs had an idea tonight... he said help them out but make them create and keep jobs in the united states in return for the loans. yes loans, not bailouts.

[Amby 490]

btw, donna. 3 gm vehicles here:

96 camaro - mileage 115k

02 silverado - mileage 30k

08 vibe - mileage mid 6k

and we're pleased with all of them. thank you for your work and for producing great vehicles.

from a 29 year gm customer.

At the same time, logic says, for combustible engines, the bigger car you get, the worse mileage you get as more fuel is needed to pull the weight, the more money you waste. The more people with bigger cars, the more gas gets used, the lower supply gets (remembering crude is not an infinite resource), the higher the price gets. Is this a difficult concept to grasp?

I personally don't care if it's $2/gallon or $10/gallon, but I understand that most people do.

GM understand it too. They

why the hell can you say that and not get b*tched out? I said that a few months ago and was fire bombed.

because he's a cute little gecko - and you're not.

I think he said it a little differently than I did. Mine was a lot more "I don't give a #### if you can't afford it because I can"

it's the accent. he has one, you don't.

Really? The mawilson I met in August sounds like an American. Maybe I was tricked? His wife sounded American too...hmmmm...

Edited November 14, 2008 by Amby

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

btw, donna. 3 gm vehicles here:

96 camaro - mileage 115k

02 silverado - mileage 30k

08 vibe - mileage mid 6k

and we're pleased with all of them. thank you for your work and for producing great vehicles.

from a 29 year gm customer.

At the same time, logic says, for combustible engines, the bigger car you get, the worse mileage you get as more fuel is needed to pull the weight, the more money you waste. The more people with bigger cars, the more gas gets used, the lower supply gets (remembering crude is not an infinite resource), the higher the price gets. Is this a difficult concept to grasp?

I personally don't care if it's $2/gallon or $10/gallon, but I understand that most people do.

GM understand it too. They

why the hell can you say that and not get b*tched out? I said that a few months ago and was fire bombed.

because he's a cute little gecko - and you're not.

I think he said it a little differently than I did. Mine was a lot more "I don't give a #### if you can't afford it because I can"

it's the accent. he has one, you don't.

Really? The mawilson I met in August sounds like an American. Maybe I was tricked? His wife sounded American too...hmmmm...

that's a disguise, he's got some nature guy stalking and filming him.

[Heracles 417]

Now, if you want to actually be serious rather than make a joke statement, I'd have bought a GM car had they continued their EV1 trend. But no. They wanted to make a bold faced lie and suggest us Californians had no interest in EV1s. Horse sh*t. There was a political game behind it, which explains why they bought out the Nickel Medal Hydride batteries that were used in the Ev1 and refused to give them out to cars which could have used them back then.

The batteries alone cost $35,000. Would you pay $35,000 to replace them?

Do you have any idea of the environmental footprint of these batteries? Of course not you studied liberal arts. AKA The jack of all trades master of none degree.

May hell freeze over when I, or anyone rational, listen to some obsessive compulsive kid from Australia with ####### envy tell me about California.

California very well could be self-sufficient, and would be amongst the top nations in the world if it were so. Of course, this has what to do with cars? Oh yeah, nothing. You might want to whine about blacks and ghettos now.

Is that supposed to mean something coming from a 26 year old wanker who thinks by talking tough he will force his warped view down everyone's throat.

The second line proves you fit the role of marketing nicely.

PS Stay off the crack man. It is screwing up your brain.

Edited November 14, 2008 by Aficionado

[Heracles 417]

Guess what, when a gallon of gas costs $1-2, who's going to want to buy a hybrid?

Guess what, when it isn't going to stay that way, who's going to want to keep shitty gas guzzlers? The market spoke for itself.

I personally like powerful muscle cars and couldn't care less about fuel economy.

I also like SUVs - the bigger, the better. Not everyone wants a wimpy Japanese econobox.

SVRT loves the Prius. Even when I rolled him and showed him how the naturally aspirated Fiat Punto I have in Greece gets much better MPG.

I think this is the first discussion I had with him and instantaneously realized he does not know what he is talking about.

After all this is the same guy after all who claims his 3 spd Neon gets about 45mpg and that electric cars are reliable as the technology has been proven in SCSI HDD.

Edited November 14, 2008 by Aficionado

[IAMX 3,055]

The batteries alone cost $35,000. Would you pay $35,000 to replace them?

Do you have any idea of the environmental footprint of these batteries? Of course not you studied liberal arts. AKA The jack of all trades master of none degree.

Uh oh, boy wonder from down under is going after degrees again. E-####### +5 points.

Is that supposed to mean something coming from a 26 year old wanker who thinks by talking tough he will force his warped view down everyone's throat.

The second line proves you fit the role of marketing nicely.

PS Stay off the crack man. It is screwing up your brain.

Wild tangents as usual.

SVRT loves the Prius. Even when I rolled him and showed him how the naturally aspirated Fiat Punto I have in Greece gets much better MPG.

I think this is the first discussion I had with him and instantaneously realized he does not know what he is talking about.

After all this is the same guy after all who claims his 3 spd Neon gets about 45mpg and that electric cars are reliable as the technology has been proven in SCSI HDD.

Strange, like my education you aren't able to actually comprehend what you're arguing against. This is why you get "wild tangent". All bark and no bite.

[Heracles 417]

Uh oh, boy wonder from down under is going after degrees again. E-####### +5 points.

Well considering my friend is an engineer at GM in AUS I think I would have some idea. I argued with him about the same car until he mentioned the actual reasons they scrapped it. Which made a lot of sense. He did admit they made a mistake underestimating the demand for a prius though.

To name a few: First of all it was a hideous car. Second of all they were producing the cars at a loss. GM is not Greenpeace.

Would Californians like you buy it once they saw the carbon footprint required to produce and discard the batteries. No. You would be making films on how GM is polluting the earth.

The car makes we want to vomit.

Edited November 14, 2008 by Aficionado