Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service for provoking death threats against Barack Obama

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Virtual Wife -

You find something fascinating and a bit troubling for our future, but you choose not to care beyond that?

The troubling part is that dissenters to Obama and defenders of Palin are ostrasized. The not caring part is that a few personalities contradict themselves regularly.

[IAMX 3,055]

Virtual Wife -

You find something fascinating and a bit troubling for our future, but you choose not to care beyond that?

The troubling part is that dissenters to Obama and defenders of Palin are ostrasized. The not caring part is that a few personalities contradict themselves regularly.

Do inform me what there is to defend about Palin? I'd love to hear it.

Is it her awesome knowledge of how things work? Her geographical knowledge? Her foreign policy expertise?

The only thing that's glaringly obvious is she's a talking head with a pretty face. If that in itself is worth the defense, besides merely having a #######, then you likely need to re-assess your own values in a candidate.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Have you ever stopped to consider that when given the option of it being EITHER 99.999% of the people on this board are mean, vitriolic, out-to-get-you, etc OR -perhaps - you are just a know-it-all, self-righteous, grating #$%#$, it's much more likely to be YOU, rather than the rest of VJ?

Been in the MENA forum lately?

99.999% of this board doesn't post in political threads. Most of them who do don't attack others. I'm expressing negatives toward you; does that make you a know-it-all, self-righteous, grating #$%#$ just because? Try to apply some logic, please.

Yes, I have.

Edited November 9, 2008 by Virtual wife

[rebeccajo 14]

Virtual Wife -

You find something fascinating and a bit troubling for our future, but you choose not to care beyond that?

The troubling part is that dissenters to Obama and defenders of Palin are ostrasized. The not caring part is that a few personalities contradict themselves regularly.

Do inform me what there is to defend about Palin? I'd love to hear it.

Is it her awesome knowledge of how things work? Her geographical knowledge? Her foreign policy expertise?

The only thing that's glaringly obvious is she's a talking head with a pretty face. If that in itself is worth the defense, besides merely having a #######, then you likely need to re-assess your own values in a candidate.

SRVT -

Not only do I think that is an extremely classless way of stating your opinion, I think it has just validated what VW is stating as her complaint.

VW -

I would allow that some persons will always jump to defend when they are 'cause driven'. I would also allow that there are others who don't mind a substantive debate.

Personally, I find most of your commentaries to fall into some other sort of oblique category, although I've yet to figure out exactly what it is you are attempting to accomplish. You claim to be an academic, yet your debating tactic is to go first for the inflammatory, with facts (if any are produced) to follow later.

I don't get you. I don't get what you hope to accomplish by openly belittling not only the opinions but the intelligence of those who have tried (without success) to get you to engage in debate. I don't get why you are always right and your opinions can never be changed. That just flies in the face of everything education, conversation and debate is about.

[IAMX 3,055]

SRVT -

Not only do I think that is an extremely classless way of stating your opinion, I think it has just validated what VW is stating as her complaint.

Well, since I'm a dissenter to Obama, there goes the "validation" of that part. And since VW always attracts discussion, there can't be a way of being ostracized unless VW is being overly sensitive to criticism of an opinion. You're pretty much wrong as well.

[rebeccajo 14]

SRVT -

Not only do I think that is an extremely classless way of stating your opinion, I think it has just validated what VW is stating as her complaint.

Well, since I'm a dissenter to Obama, there goes the "validation" of that part. And since VW always attracts discussion, there can't be a way of being ostracized unless VW is being overly sensitive to criticism of an opinion. You're pretty much wrong as well.

See now - there you go again.

You can't call yourself open minded if you're always right.

[IAMX 3,055]

SRVT -

Not only do I think that is an extremely classless way of stating your opinion, I think it has just validated what VW is stating as her complaint.

Well, since I'm a dissenter to Obama, there goes the "validation" of that part. And since VW always attracts discussion, there can't be a way of being ostracized unless VW is being overly sensitive to criticism of an opinion. You're pretty much wrong as well.

See now - there you go again.

You can't call yourself open minded if you're always right.

Ahh yes, sorry, I'm a vehement Obama supporter. VW is not sensitive in the slightest -- very thick skin, in fact. Sarah Palin is quite an experienced candidate which a laundry list of qualifications which I just can't seem to understand why she takes any criticism at all.

Am I right now?

[rebeccajo 14]

SRVT -

Not only do I think that is an extremely classless way of stating your opinion, I think it has just validated what VW is stating as her complaint.

Well, since I'm a dissenter to Obama, there goes the "validation" of that part. And since VW always attracts discussion, there can't be a way of being ostracized unless VW is being overly sensitive to criticism of an opinion. You're pretty much wrong as well.

See now - there you go again.

You can't call yourself open minded if you're always right.

Ahh yes, sorry, I'm a vehement Obama supporter. VW is not sensitive in the slightest -- very thick skin, in fact. Sarah Palin is quite an experienced candidate which a laundry list of qualifications which I just can't seem to understand why she takes any criticism at all.

Am I right now?

*rolls eyes*

When you stoop to incendiary methods of making a point, you are no better in winning the debate.

[Fandango 1,440]

I don't think she had intentions of causing his life to be in further danger by her remarks, but it is sad that it caused that.

I don't believe in reading others minds, but I do believe in extrapolating intent from actual actions. And her actions are clear and their impact couldn't be clearer - even to Sarah. I do believe she tried to get him killed.

She stated the truth...he does have dubious ties to terrorism....what people do from there is up to them.

This is what has grated on me this whole campaign...God forbid you STATE THE FACTS, you're labeled racist/inciting death threats/etc...for some reason O was completely insulated by the fallout from the actual truth and questions in his past...have no idea why, but it's astounding.

Saying things like 'She tried to get him killed' is actually quite ignorant as she has no control over what people do. Not to mention it's a very baseless and dangerous attack on her character.

[IAMX 3,055]

*rolls eyes*

When you stoop to incendiary methods of making a point, you are no better in winning the debate.

Does it really look like I care to win? I just like debating. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the fire. Simple as that. I don't see any part of the last few posts that were out of bounds, besides the one mocking your "always right" nonsense. And I'm sure as hell not going to be politically correct for your sake, either.

Have yet to see any reasonable person suggest how great it would be to elect a woman who would more likely than not take the forward-moving women's rights and throw it into reverse. Have yet to even see a logical suggestion of how she's even remotely a beacon FOR women's rights. Merely arguments that because she's woman it's inherently good, and placating to the purview of political correctness that attacking a woman's credentials is out of bounds. Not to me!

I don't think she had intentions of causing his life to be in further danger by her remarks, but it is sad that it caused that.

I don't believe in reading others minds, but I do believe in extrapolating intent from actual actions. And her actions are clear and their impact couldn't be clearer - even to Sarah. I do believe she tried to get him killed.

She stated the truth...he does have dubious ties to terrorism....what people do from there is up to them.

This is what has grated on me this whole campaign...God forbid you STATE THE FACTS, you're labeled racist/inciting death threats/etc...for some reason O was completely insulated by the fallout from the actual truth and questions in his past...have no idea why, but it's astounding.

Saying things like 'She tried to get him killed' is actually quite ignorant as she has no control over what people do. Not to mention it's a very baseless and dangerous attack on her character.

Wait, so she has no control over what people do, but Obama has control over what Ayers did when Obama was 8? Wow. The only fact I'm seeing here is selective outrage.

It's as obvious as day it was a smear tactic to scare people into voting McCain. It's a signature Republican move in recent times.

Edited November 9, 2008 by SRVT

[Niels Bohr 72]

Well....lets just wait to see the destruction of the US with Obama since he has ties to terrorists. As a matter of fact, I'm so loving it!

Edited November 9, 2008 by Niels Bohr

[Ling Ling 22]

This topic, like so many others, is based on false info from cowardly unnamed sources. It is insignificant.

WOW!!!

I can't believe you said that...I think that comment would apply to about 99% of the threads you participated in to smear Obama.

Ok...back on topic.

You need a source, then let it be me. Sarah Palin is either destructive, self centered, self destructive or insane.

Her actions absolutely cost RePUBICans the election. I've spoken to many people who normally vote GOP, but were scared away by

Palin.

Did her comments provoke death threats? Of course they did. Her description of then Senator Obama "Palling around with terrorists" was

destructive, dangerous, and low-handed. If Bill Ayers is such a "terrorist" threat, why isn't he in prison or out of the picture.

Why does this dangerous terrorist live in Chicago with his family, and teach at one of the most prestigious universities in the country?

Must be a really dangerous guy. Give me a break.

If Palin made it into the Whitehouse, the USA would be even more of a laughing stock around the world than it has been under the current administration.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Sarah Palin personally...I think she's absolutely got that "naughty librarian look", and if

I were at a strip club, she'd probably get a few bucks from me....but I really think she should be as far away from government as possible.

Sadly, she has began a sick love affair with the small-minded people in our country, and they want her to be their spokesperson...their leader.

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Sarah Palin does have some work to do over the next four years, if she want to run for president.

[Niels Bohr 72]

Breaking Evidence -

Obama have recently received a memo from Osama Bin Laden that on Jan 21, 2009 for Obama to press the nuclear button on NYC!

Everyone, watch out!

[IAMX 3,055]

Well....lets just wait to see the destruction of the US with Obama since he has ties to terrorists. As a matter of fact, I'm so loving it!

Look at all these terrorist activities Ayers is engaging in. Wow. I can't believe Obama actually got security clearance! You know, since he was actually never a citizen. He must have threatened someone into making him a citizen. Maybe him and Ayers threatened the Kapiolani Medical Center to create some fake birth record. Since it's clearly Hawaii's policy to give anyone and everyone who requests a birth record a copy, this is a clear Obama and Ayers plot to screw over America. I bet him and Jeremiah Wright both secretly worship satan and wipe their ### with the American flag.