Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service for provoking death threats against Barack Obama

[Marilyn. 340]

see there are plenty of people who have different opinions and views on VJ that are well liked by all....

[Niels Bohr 72]

So you're straddling the same fence you accuse Repubs of! Explains my comment in red

But official US policies with countries and their leaders is indeed different to personal associations. 'Show me your friends and I'll tell you what you are" sort of thing...and consider, when you're in politics, especially eventually running for POTUS, your personal connections are always relevant and always called into question, no matter which side of the political fence you fall on. The question here is not 'how dare they use this info?' but rather 'how could most easily dismiss this sort of info?'

Anyhoo, I have a house to show! bbl

I do agree that we could have easily dismiss this info. However, what is the basis for such accusation in the first place?

The other thing that runs rampant on McCain's group is racism with Obama. Is it the fear that Obama will call those who object to him as racist? Where is that example?

Now, the point being is that there are so much rhetoric coming from McCain side that it proves how wrong his campaign is or rather how unreasonable in perception there is with people. Rather than just finding justice or seek information to build a good candidate, these groups decides to use false premises to accuse BHO of something he is not.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

see there are plenty of people who have different opinions and views on VJ that are well liked by all....

There are plenty of people who avoid giving their true opinion because they don't want to be savaged.

[Marilyn. 340]

see there are plenty of people who have different opinions and views on VJ that are well liked by all....

There are plenty of people who avoid giving their true opinion because they don't want to be savaged.

no, I am saying there are people who give their opinions all the time..

have you ever stopped to consider that maybe it is your delivery of your opinions that might be the problem and not the opinions themselves?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I do agree that we could have easily dismiss this info. However, what is the basis for such accusation in the first place?

The other thing that runs rampant on McCain's group is racism with Obama. Is it the fear that Obama will call those who object to him as racist? Where is that example?

Now, the point being is that there are so much rhetoric coming from McCain side that it proves how wrong his campaign is or rather how unreasonable in perception there is with people. Rather than just finding justice or seek information to build a good candidate, these groups decides to use false premises to accuse BHO of something he is not.

It's fine to defame Palin (the topic of this thread), even celebrated, but Lord knows, don't say one bad thing about Obama's rhetoric or even question the unquestioning devotion to him.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

see there are plenty of people who have different opinions and views on VJ that are well liked by all....

There are plenty of people who avoid giving their true opinion because they don't want to be savaged.

no, I am saying there are people who give their opinions all the time..

have you ever stopped to consider that maybe it is your delivery of your opinions that might be the problem and not the opinions themselves?

The delivery in opposition to differing opinons may have something to do with it.

RJ asked people to be nice and was insulted. Lisa didn't insult anyone and she was still insulted. No, there is a faction here that is trying to present themselves as the board majority who claims victimization. Funny thing is, this delivery was fine when we were discussing illegals. It's not so good when disagreeing with Obama devotees.

[S and S 12]

I do agree that we could have easily dismiss this info. However, what is the basis for such accusation in the first place?

The other thing that runs rampant on McCain's group is racism with Obama. Is it the fear that Obama will call those who object to him as racist? Where is that example?

Now, the point being is that there are so much rhetoric coming from McCain side that it proves how wrong his campaign is or rather how unreasonable in perception there is with people. Rather than just finding justice or seek information to build a good candidate, these groups decides to use false premises to accuse BHO of something he is not.

It's fine to defame Palin (the topic of this thread), even celebrated, but Lord knows, don't say one bad thing about Obama's rhetoric or even question the unquestioning devotion to him.

You know, I voted for McCain, I will admit it, but at the same time I am capable of saying the things I don't like about McCain and Palin. I don't believe they are perfect. My vote was based on the candidate that had the most things I could live with or agree about. What boggles my mind is that I've never met one Obama supporter than can say one thing they don't like about him or agree with him about. It does seem like blind devotion if you are unable to say one bad thing about someone. I love my father but that doesn't mean he is perfect, no one is. Why can't the Obama supporters admit he has good and bad qualities about him? That is what I would love to know.

[Niels Bohr 72]

I do agree that we could have easily dismiss this info. However, what is the basis for such accusation in the first place?

The other thing that runs rampant on McCain's group is racism with Obama. Is it the fear that Obama will call those who object to him as racist? Where is that example?

Now, the point being is that there are so much rhetoric coming from McCain side that it proves how wrong his campaign is or rather how unreasonable in perception there is with people. Rather than just finding justice or seek information to build a good candidate, these groups decides to use false premises to accuse BHO of something he is not.

It's fine to defame Palin (the topic of this thread), even celebrated, but Lord knows, don't say one bad thing about Obama's rhetoric or even question the unquestioning devotion to him.

I do have a question. Why is that so many McCain supporters like to use those rhetorics such as racism, terrorists, etc...? I do question the premise at which this is based on. However, if an Obama's supporter use such things as well....I would un-doubtfully question those as well. But, I don't see it coming from the Obama's supporters.

Those rhetorics are built upon false premises. I do know where you're coming from when you mentioned when you said a negative thing, tons of opposition raise their voice towards yours. But, their voices are asking a question that I'm simply trying to obtain an answer for. Why is that so many McCain supporters like to use those rhetorics such as racism, terrorists, etc...(making note that these are false premises)?

[Marilyn. 340]

i am not really talking about being insulting.. I am talking about the tone of people's posts.

sometimes people come off sounding like they are better then everyone else and that they are right and everyone else is wrong...etc..

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I do agree that we could have easily dismiss this info. However, what is the basis for such accusation in the first place?

The other thing that runs rampant on McCain's group is racism with Obama. Is it the fear that Obama will call those who object to him as racist? Where is that example?

Now, the point being is that there are so much rhetoric coming from McCain side that it proves how wrong his campaign is or rather how unreasonable in perception there is with people. Rather than just finding justice or seek information to build a good candidate, these groups decides to use false premises to accuse BHO of something he is not.

It's fine to defame Palin (the topic of this thread), even celebrated, but Lord knows, don't say one bad thing about Obama's rhetoric or even question the unquestioning devotion to him.

I do have a question. Why is that so many McCain supporters like to use those rhetorics such as racism, terrorists, etc...? I do question the premise at which this is based on. However, if an Obama's supporter use such things as well....I would un-doubtfully question those as well. But, I don't see it coming from the Obama's supporters.

Those rhetorics are built upon false premises. I do know where you're coming from when you mentioned when you said a negative thing, tons of opposition raise their voice towards yours. But, their voices are asking a question that I'm simply trying to obtain an answer for. Why is that so many McCain supporters like to use those rhetorics such as racism, terrorists, etc...(making note that these are false premises)?

I asked what is so inpiring about Obama. S and S asked why there can be no criticism of him. You come back and accuse McCain supporters again without addressing credible questions. You just don't get it.

[S and S 12]

Lisa, S and S, this is what Obama lovers want to read:

belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Is Obama too good to be true?

It can't be easy being perfect. But, as with everything else Barack Obama does, he makes it look effortless, says Katy Guest

Sunday, 9 November 2008

He fought the most perfect election campaign in living memory. He gave the world's most perfect post-election address. He is tall, handsome, the leader of the free world and, days after his perfect victory, the transcript of his presidential election night speech is still making grown men weep.

There is no doubting that Barack Obama is the perfect man: perfectly kind, perfectly funny, perfectly in love with his perfect wife and his perfect, charming, beautiful children. Dammit, even his hair is perfect. And here are a few more things that he couldn't get wrong even if he tried:

Hair

An old joke goes: "What is it that no man wants, but no man wants to lose? Grey hair." But when you are the most brilliant man in the free world, even your hair behaves itself properly. According to his barber in Chicago, Obama's hair was almost entirely jet black until the presidential race began a year ago. But, when critics raised issues around the 47-year-old's relative youth and experience, along came the grey. "By the time I'm sworn in, I'll look the part," he told supporters in July. He added: "[Hillary Clinton] is the reason I have all this grey now."

Coolness

How many US presidents can claim to have starred in a hip hop song? In a positive way? Not many. But Barack Obama exudes so much cool that even rappers want to be associated with him. One of them, Jadakiss, rapped: "Why is Bush acting like he is trying to get Osama? Why don't we impeach him and elect Obama?" Obama just can't help it. What did he do after casting his vote on Tuesday? Shot a few hoops. Which magazines have profiled him recently? 'Time', 'Newsweek', 'Men's Vogue', 'Harpers', 'New York Magazine'... 'Time' was typical in its calm appraisal of his utter wonderfulness. "Obama seemed the political equivalent of a rainbow – a sudden preternatural event inspiring awe and ecstasy."

Family

It's official: being a good dad is cool. Obama proved it when, taking a little time out from campaigning, working out, visiting his sick granny and saving the free world, he took little Malia (10) and Sasha (seven) out trick-or-treating. And what did he do the morning after the most historic election victory of all time? Drove them to school. He also takes out the rubbish and reads them Harry Potter stories, it is faithfully reported. In return, his daughters (with Obama, right) think life in the White House will be "cool". But they also reckon, adorably, that their dad talks too much.

Physique

Legend has it that the taller and better-looking candidate always wins; but the 6ft 2in Obama left nothing to chance. While other candidates tend to gain weight during election campaigns, Obama gave up smoking and lost 5lbs, thanks to his personal trainer and adviser, the former basketball star Reggie Love. Obama and his "body man" spend an hour each morning running, swimming and lifting weights, which accounts for that world-leading physique. Still, not everybody is impressed. Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Republican Governor of California, says: "We have to do something about his skinny legs. He has to do squats."

Intelligence

There is nothing surer to get female voters racing to the polling booths than a man who is smart, eloquent and angry about all the right things. No wonder Obama rallies came to look like Beatles concerts. With a firm moral grounding from his gran, Madelyn Dunham, the young Obama excelled at school. He went on to Columbia University, majoring in political science, and Harvard Law School, where he was the first black president of the prestigious 'Harvard Law Review'. Not only this, but the man can write. His books, 'Dreams From My Father' and 'The Audacity of Hope' have consistently topped 'The New York Times' best-seller list. Swoon.

That tear

When Hillary Clinton cried over her flagging election campaign, it gave her a temporary fillip but made her look a bit of a fool. When George W Bush cried, presenting a medal of honour, it was all slightly snotty. But Barack Obama even weeps impeccably. After the death of his beloved grandmother, the day before the election, a single perfect tear rolled down his manly cheek as he called her "one of those quiet heroes we have across America, who aren't famous – but each and every day they work hard". Meanwhile John McCain was thumping his lectern and yelling at Americans to "fight!"

Feminism

Naturally, the new and fully reconstructed president-elect is a paid-up feminist. In 'Dreams From My Father' he wrote about his admiration for his grandmother, or "Toot", the first woman vice-president at her local bank, and his mother, Ann, who ran microfinance projects in Asia that enabled women to become self-sufficient. "She was very clear that the best indicator of how a country is going to develop is how it treats its women and whether it educates its girls," he recalled, proudly. Still, who wouldn't be a feminist when they have a beautiful wife who is willing to outearn him to support his fledgling writing career and his attempt to win the US presidency?

Puppy

A perfect president needs a perfect puppy. And to allow himself the indulgence of a tear-jerking victory address that pulls every heartstring in his besotted audience. Thus, Obama addressed his children: "Sasha and Malia, I love you both more than you can imagine, and you have earned the new puppy that's coming with us to the White House." Bookies are already taking bets on the First Dog's name, with Madelyn or Maddie, after Obama's late grandmother, in the lead at 6/1. But there is still a chance of a Palin in the White House in 2009: the name is 66/1, with McCain trailing at 200/1.

Wife

Michelle Obama is, naturally, perfect. The couple married 16 years ago after meeting at a Chicago law firm. Their first date was a perfect mix of intellectual radicalism and schmaltzy romance: he took her to see Spike Lee's 'Do the Right Thing', bought her an ice-cream at Baskin-Robbins and asked if he could kiss her. "It tasted of chocolate." Throughout the campaign, Mrs Obama's loyalty, style, fierce intelligence and devotion to her family have been judged a, well, perfect balance. She is the "love of my life, the rock of the Obama family, the closer on the campaign trail ..."

Of course, Michelle Obama is the only person who is allowed to find her husband anything less than perfect. She wishes she had met this "Barack Obama the phenomenon", she has said. "The Barack Obama who lives in my house, that guy's not as impressive... He still has trouble putting his socks in the dirty clothes basket, and he still doesn't do a better job than our... daughter Sasha at making his bed, so you'll have to forgive me if I'm a little stunned at this whole Barack Obama thing."

God, your right! Why didn't I see this all before. I must have been blind to have not noticed all these wonderful characteristics. With all these things going for him, he can't possibly have one bad thing about him. His poop probably doesn't even stink!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

i am not really talking about being insulting.. I am talking about the tone of people's posts.

sometimes people come off sounding like they are better then everyone else and that they are right and everyone else is wrong...etc..

My view on that is that it's a form of censorship. There are different economic classes, levels of education, experiences, occupations, pay and lifestyles. If those whose attributes raise feelings of class envy are not allowed to post from their experiences and self-interests without having the lowest common denominator limit their ability to contribute, that's not justice. That such distinctions raise so much ire says more about the complainer than the one being complained about.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

God, your right! Why didn't I see this all before. I must have been blind to have not noticed all these wonderful characteristics. With all these things going for him, he can't possibly have one bad thing about him. His poop probably doesn't even stink!

What poop?

[S and S 12]

God, your right! Why didn't I see this all before. I must have been blind to have not noticed all these wonderful characteristics. With all these things going for him, he can't possibly have one bad thing about him. His poop probably doesn't even stink!

What poop?

Good point. He probably has some kind of internal recycling capabilities or he just doesn't need to eat.

[Marilyn. 340]

you shouldn't have to tell people how smart you are.. it should just come through in your posts..

and I don't go around saying how poor I am every chance I get..

yeah it is fine if someone has money, I have no problems with that... I just don't think it needs to be mentioned all the time...

Edited November 9, 2008 by *Marilyn*