Prenup... to sign or not to sign!

[nickoftime 0]

I declared the terms of our pre-nup. I told my hubby that everything he owns is mine and everything I own is mine. In Tagalog, ang iyo ay akin at ang akin ay akin pa rin, hahaha!

[Beautiful_years 0]

ha haha

Now thats funny.

[trinidad-lohner 0]

nickoftime,

like you, i said the same thing to my hubby...hahaha...

makakapalag pa ba siya? lulusot ba siya sayo pag dating sa laws and legalities?

[Joan >3 Bob 20]

So should we recommend it for usc who sponsors their spouses and have tiny little doubts but cant do much because the k-1 gives them conditions to getting married as soon as possible? afterall some people would have wanted more time to sort things out and attend to those tiny red flags.

I agree because 90 days is not enough time to "sort all of the red flags" especially ones that show up during the 90 day period. Mentioning a prenup very early in the relationship also informs the other person and if they have any problems with it they can be dealt with then. Also lets amny scammers.

[Joan >3 Bob 20]

I am all for pre-nubs. In a way my feelings about it is the opposite of a lot of peoples: For me it shows that all I want is love and a life together, I am not out to get anything else. I would sign it with a smile.

Unfortunatly I dont think pre-nubs can do anything about the biggest money issue with being an imigration sponser. When you sign the Affidavid of Support you say that you will make sure your spouse will not become a burdon of the state. SO if your ex-spouse does not work you will have to support them in the US for up to 10 years and no pre-nub can change that.

All people thinking about marraige should think long and hard. Sometimes people get so wrapped up in the process, the paperwork and missing each other that they forget this is the person they will be spending the rest of their lives with ... and all that entails.

You did make some valid point because prenup or no prenup you are bounded by the affidavit of support to keep taking responsibilities until the 10yrs rolls over

If you had proof your spouse used you just to get a green card and the marriage was not in good faith, you can have the affivdait of support canceled.

[baron555 934]

Fellow VJ members do you think asking for a prenup would scare potential scammers?

Maybe

and if yes, USC should start asking for one before the marriage

By definition

and they can impose a certain number of years to it say sign a prenup, if the marriage turns sour and you leave then you leave with nothing!

Can be useful especially when one party has more than the other.

I've read threads where people have doubts before marriage and still go through because of the limited time imposed on the k-1 visa's

The K-1 doesn't impose anything on a relationship. You ARE supposed to have hammered out the relationship before you get into the visa process.

and realise they made a terrible mistake... would it be fair on both sides to ask for a prenup?

Or maybe the real problem is that folks do not allow enough time for the relationship to develop before they jump into the visa process.

[Eric-Pris 1,607]

Great post M&J. Many people get really offended and immediately think that their fiance doesn't TRUST them. Often times a prenup has very little to do with trusting the other person and their intentions. It has to do with the fact that 50% marriages fail. Even if it's a bona fide marriages entered into with good faith, it can and does fail.

I thought about it and decided against asking my fiancee to sign a prenup before marriages, for several reasons. My fiancee would have signed it in a heartbeat. We have had discussions and she has told me that if things wouldn't work out, she would not want anything from me other than to help her go back to her country where her whole family is. No divorce settlement, no alimony, just a clean break. I realize people say one thing now, then a sleazy, blood-sucking, cockroach lawyer gets a hold of them, and convinces them that they deserve this and that.

[PILOT JEAN 0]

I agree that this is a good thing, but as many good things the idea came late

Is it possible to sign a similar document DURING marriage? If so i sure would discuss it with my wife.

Things have not been too good and a divorce is never impossible. She has much much more to lose than i would

if a divorce takes place, and i am a very honest and fair person...

So, is there a similar agreement for when one`s already married?

[vip1 8]

I think a prenup has nothing to do with immigration, its a personal choices couples have to make BEFORE getting married, regardless of the Visas and whatnot you are applying for. If you are afraid that they're marrying you for the money you could also say they're doing it for the green card. Why don't you spend the time to get to know the person before you jump into marriage instead of thinking of asking the government to protect you. Please people take responsabilities for you actions and don't expect the government to "save" you all the time!

With that said, i think prenups are a great idea

[ANONYMOUSXXXXXX 0]

I have taken time to read a lot of threads and discover that many USC have been used for the sole purpose of getting Green cards and that jeopardizes the situation for honest hearted individuals who are truely in love.

There are red flags sure to alert you to fraud but like we all know....love they say is blind and once blinded by the emotions of the heart you really dont see faults and when you do you make excuses for them until its too late.

I've read very bitter experiences from the effects of major family changes on immigration Benefits, and its sometimes depressing, some really have been used and its bitter and dehumanising to think that all the efforts put in to bringing their spouse here becomes wasted efforts, there is a lot of emotions involved, time, money, efforts, a lot of waiting and despair only to spend a couple of months together and as soon as he or she gets the much famous gc leaves.... the worse part isnt just leaving, some would want to claim everything too even those things you worked hard for before he or she came here!!!

NOTHING can kill romance faster than the word prenup. But with about one in three of all first marriages ending in divorce, and 50 percent of second or third ones hitting the skids, a prenup is smart financial planning.

Marriage is not just an emotional and physical union -- it's also a financial union. A prenup and the discussions that go with it can help ensure the financial well-being of the marriage also One option for softening the blow of a prenup is to add a "sunset clause," which specifies a time at which the contract would expire -- for example, after 5 or less years of marriage. Depending on what you both agree.

Fellow VJ members do you think asking for a prenup would scare potential scammers? and if yes, USC should start asking for one before the marriage and they can impose a certain number of years to it say sign a prenup, if the marriage turns sour and you leave then you leave with nothing!

I've read threads where people have doubts before marriage and still go through because of the limited time imposed on the k-1 visa's and realise they made a terrible mistake... would it be fair on both sides to ask for a prenup? Afterall, if you sincerely love your partner it wont be about the money or the assets, it ll be about you both!

I just want to hear your imput on this issue, and please, this is for civil people who wouldnt want to fight a battle of words or show how perfect their ENGLISH can be, or JUDGE other peoples comments or show they GRADUATED from HAVARD LAW school...

Lastly Excuse the typos if any.... Thanks for stopping by..

I agree with you. If you are honest, you won't mind signing one.

[DouglasFiel 53]

A Per Nup is good in Communty Property States like Texas.

If it is signed and one of the parties has to declare bankruptcy then the spouse will not be affected on Credit Reports.

My relative has been going thru long custody battle with his X wife and he re married about 8 years ago, and they have signed a pre nup and it has helped keep his x wife from getting a lot of his asset and cash.

I see nothing wrong with a pre nup, and it should be decided upon a case by case basis by the two parties involved.

I have been through a divorce in Texas,,, and with regards to Community Property States... The spouse is entitled to 50% of all MARITAL assets and

liabiliities. MARITAL assets and debts obtained from the minute you are married till the minute you divorce. The spouse would not have any claim

to assets before the time of marriage. Nor would the spouse have claim to assets that were gifted to the other spouse. Inheritance for example.

I am not a lawyer,,, Just a victim,,, sort-of..

Regards,

[NewestGCholder 0]

My personal opinion - a prenup has nothing to do with the Green Card process.

I believe by requiring the immigrant and his/her spouse jump through legal hoops and what not for almost 3 yrs in the name of 'Conditional Permanent Residency', USCIS is doing what it needs to do to determine whether the marriage was a 'marriage of convenience'.

Marriage with ANYONE (be it with a USC or someone else) is about love,commitment and patience. If you ain't got that, your marriage won't last - genuine or not.

My wife and I were asked by our marriage counselors (with us practicing different religions) whether we wanted to sign a pre-nup and our answer was an unequivocal no. As cliched as it might sound, money is important but commitment is more important.

Finally, if your immigrant spouse wanted to use and abuse you for getting the GC - you would prolly see the writing on the wall during that 'almost 3 yr experience with USCIS of colonoscopic proportions'.

[Eric-Pris 1,607]

My personal opinion - a prenup has nothing to do with the Green Card process.

Yes, a pre-nup has nothing to do with the green card process itself, but it has a LOT to do with marrying a foreigner. It is a very usefool tool at our (USC) disposal when marrying a person who may have alterior motives. Yes, an American spouse can also have other plans for your money but it's riskier when you find love abroad. You can never be 100% certain that the other person is not playing you. If you think you are, then you are blinded by "love".

There are some great actresses out there, and I'm not talking about Meryll Streep or Julia Roberts. If some little honey is using you to come to the US and become a permanent resident and decides that she got what she really wanted, and then decides to divorce you and attempt to take 50% of all YOUR sh*t, you'd be wishing that you signed one.

[NewestGCholder 0]

My personal opinion - a prenup has nothing to do with the Green Card process.

Yes, a pre-nup has nothing to do with the green card process itself, but it has a LOT to do with marrying a foreigner. It is a very usefool tool at our (USC) disposal when marrying a person who may have alterior motives. Yes, an American spouse can also have other plans for your money but it's riskier when you find love abroad. You can never be 100% certain that the other person is not playing you. If you think you are, then you are blinded by "love".

There are some great actresses out there, and I'm not talking about Meryll Streep or Julia Roberts. If some little honey is using you to come to the US and become a permanent resident and decides that she got what she really wanted, and then decides to divorce you and attempt to take 50% of all YOUR sh*t, you'd be wishing that you signed one.

Looks like you met one too many actresses. Sorry about that. Like I said - my personal opinion and I am going to stick to it and wishing that people were not cynical.

Have a good weekend.

[Eric-Pris 1,607]

Looks like you met one too many actresses. Sorry about that. Like I said - my personal opinion and I am going to stick to it and wishing that people were not cynical.

Have a good weekend.

Personally, I haven't met one, but there's enough stories (including this forum) going around about men and women being played for a greencard and then c-ya later.

Cynical? If you think it doesn't very happen, you're the cynical one. You must be blinded by "love" if you don't see what's going on in the world.