Girl, 13, stoned to death in Somalia

[S and S 12]

i've known of people dying due to medical negligence, i don't see the doctors being put to death... how are they not a murderer?

i also do not understand how someone who is against abortion can be for the death penalty if their argument is because of terminating a life, because how is the life of a murderer any different? ugh.. it's so complicated, and late.

Death due to negligence isn't a capital offense, as there is no intent to kill.

The argument is not just that abortion is terminating a life, it is terminating an innocent life. The difference between aborting an unborn child and executing a murderer is that one is an innocent, the other is not.

[rocks 494]

That guy should do some serious jail time and give reperation money to the relatives if you ask me. I belive the death penalty should be reserved for pre-meditated murders. If it can be proved this doctor planned to kill his patient or be that negligent, then perhaps he would deserve the death penalty too.

well, neither of those things happened. i'm sure he continued practising as well. they received nothing apart from a letter stating it was negligence on the doctors part. in my angry opinion he should have received the death penalty but in reality as i said, two wrongs do not make a right. when you are emotionally involved in something it is easy for that to cloud your judgement, ethically it is not right to kill anyone.

Negligence by doctors is really sad. I had a friend whose father was in the emergency room for a serious problem. They told the hospital what things he was allergic to and the hospital failed to note it and actually gave him one of the things he couldn't have. Her father nearly died as a result of that. Doctors do need to be held responsible for such actions as well as any other hosptial personnel involved.

indeed. that is very sad and i'm glad your friends father survived that ordeal, what a terrible thing to happen. the case i'm talking about was very obvious negligence which led to someone dying of cancer. i won't go into details but it was very obvious that he didn't even look at the complaint and just shrugged it off as nothing without even seeing it. in my opinion something should have happened to this doctor regardless of whether it was pursued in court, but that isn't what happens in reality. they are just as much murderers as anyone else who kills someone intentionally. so actually i don't have too much faith in death row and the death penalty system and i still stand by two wrongs not making a right. it's just my opinion though.

[rocks 494]

i've known of people dying due to medical negligence, i don't see the doctors being put to death... how are they not a murderer?

i also do not understand how someone who is against abortion can be for the death penalty if their argument is because of terminating a life, because how is the life of a murderer any different? ugh.. it's so complicated, and late.

Death due to negligence isn't a capital offense, as there is no intent to kill.

The argument is not just that abortion is terminating a life, it is terminating an innocent life. The difference between aborting an unborn child and executing a murderer is that one is an innocent, the other is not.

the person who died was very innocent and actually pregnant. so not only did this person die of cancer, the baby died too. how is that ok?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

i've known of people dying due to medical negligence, i don't see the doctors being put to death... how are they not a murderer?

i also do not understand how someone who is against abortion can be for the death penalty if their argument is because of terminating a life, because how is the life of a murderer any different? ugh.. it's so complicated, and late.

Death due to negligence isn't a capital offense, as there is no intent to kill.

The argument is not just that abortion is terminating a life, it is terminating an innocent life. The difference between aborting an unborn child and executing a murderer is that one is an innocent, the other is not.

I introduced the issue of abortion not in juxaposition to executing murderers, but to highlight the outrage over the barbaraic practice of stoning an innocent 13 year old girl in contrast to the acceptance of killing innocent unborn children as normal. Killing innocent children is killing innocent children, and is barbaric, no matter where in the world it is done or how they are killed.

[S and S 12]

That guy should do some serious jail time and give reperation money to the relatives if you ask me. I belive the death penalty should be reserved for pre-meditated murders. If it can be proved this doctor planned to kill his patient or be that negligent, then perhaps he would deserve the death penalty too.

well, neither of those things happened. i'm sure he continued practising as well. they received nothing apart from a letter stating it was negligence on the doctors part. in my angry opinion he should have received the death penalty but in reality as i said, two wrongs do not make a right. when you are emotionally involved in something it is easy for that to cloud your judgement, ethically it is not right to kill anyone.

Negligence by doctors is really sad. I had a friend whose father was in the emergency room for a serious problem. They told the hospital what things he was allergic to and the hospital failed to note it and actually gave him one of the things he couldn't have. Her father nearly died as a result of that. Doctors do need to be held responsible for such actions as well as any other hosptial personnel involved.

indeed. that is very sad and i'm glad your friends father survived that ordeal, what a terrible thing to happen. the case i'm talking about was very obvious negligence which led to someone dying of cancer. i won't go into details but it was very obvious that he didn't even look at the complaint and just shrugged it off as nothing without even seeing it. in my opinion something should have happened to this doctor regardless of whether it was pursued in court, but that isn't what happens in reality. they are just as much murderers as anyone else who kills someone intentionally. so actually i don't have too much faith in death row and the death penalty system and i still stand by two wrongs not making a right. it's just my opinion though.

It is sad about your friend as well. This doctor not showing remorse makes it even worse though I doubt he planned for his patient to die due to his negligence. He should have been punished and it scares me to think he may still be practicing medicine.

If you really think about it though, many of us could cause someone's death without intending to. Think of the guys who build houses. Bad wiring could cause a fire or the house could be geographically placed wrong so it slides due to being a mud prone area. You could be distracted while driving run a red light and hit someone. Maybe you leave something out in your home or on your yard and someone trips on it. Are those all mistakes we could make? Yes. Does it deserve the death penalty even if we don't feel remorse (though I would hope we do)? No. What I mean is when someone intends to kill someone. This means they could do it again as they thought to do it this time. It means this person is too dangerous mentally to ever be allowed to go free. Problem with life sentences is they are expensive and actually don't benifit the killers in any way because their life is over with a life sentence.

[rocks 494]

i've known of people dying due to medical negligence, i don't see the doctors being put to death... how are they not a murderer?

i also do not understand how someone who is against abortion can be for the death penalty if their argument is because of terminating a life, because how is the life of a murderer any different? ugh.. it's so complicated, and late.

Death due to negligence isn't a capital offense, as there is no intent to kill.

The argument is not just that abortion is terminating a life, it is terminating an innocent life. The difference between aborting an unborn child and executing a murderer is that one is an innocent, the other is not.

I introduced the issue of abortion not in juxaposition to executing murderers, but to highlight the outrage over the barbaraic practice of stoning an innocent 13 year old girl in contrast to the acceptance of killing innocent unborn children as normal. Killing innocent children is killing innocent children, and is barbaric, no matter where in the world it is done or how they are killed.

killing is killing in my mind, children or not. the original story of this thread of the 13 year old girl is just terrible. i still can't believe that kind of thing happens although i remember hearing of an adult having this done to her a few years ago. terrible, so terrible. i don't know how these people sleep at night.

[S and S 12]

i've known of people dying due to medical negligence, i don't see the doctors being put to death... how are they not a murderer?

i also do not understand how someone who is against abortion can be for the death penalty if their argument is because of terminating a life, because how is the life of a murderer any different? ugh.. it's so complicated, and late.

Death due to negligence isn't a capital offense, as there is no intent to kill.

The argument is not just that abortion is terminating a life, it is terminating an innocent life. The difference between aborting an unborn child and executing a murderer is that one is an innocent, the other is not.

I introduced the issue of abortion not in juxaposition to executing murderers, but to highlight the outrage over the barbaraic practice of stoning an innocent 13 year old girl in contrast to the acceptance of killing innocent unborn children as normal. Killing innocent children is killing innocent children, and is barbaric, no matter where in the world it is done or how they are killed.

killing is killing in my mind, children or not. the original story of this thread of the 13 year old girl is just terrible. i still can't believe that kind of thing happens although i remember hearing of an adult having this done to her a few years ago. terrible, so terrible. i don't know how these people sleep at night.

There was a woman in Iraq who was stoned to death for daring to marry a muslim. In fact, they killed her husband too, but they only shot him whereas they stripped her nearly naked and beat her up first. Her family was Yezidi which is some kind of really old religion having something to do with fire though I forget the details. I saw the video, it really made me sick that so many people stood around watching and/or participating.

[rocks 494]

That guy should do some serious jail time and give reperation money to the relatives if you ask me. I belive the death penalty should be reserved for pre-meditated murders. If it can be proved this doctor planned to kill his patient or be that negligent, then perhaps he would deserve the death penalty too.

well, neither of those things happened. i'm sure he continued practising as well. they received nothing apart from a letter stating it was negligence on the doctors part. in my angry opinion he should have received the death penalty but in reality as i said, two wrongs do not make a right. when you are emotionally involved in something it is easy for that to cloud your judgement, ethically it is not right to kill anyone.

Negligence by doctors is really sad. I had a friend whose father was in the emergency room for a serious problem. They told the hospital what things he was allergic to and the hospital failed to note it and actually gave him one of the things he couldn't have. Her father nearly died as a result of that. Doctors do need to be held responsible for such actions as well as any other hosptial personnel involved.

indeed. that is very sad and i'm glad your friends father survived that ordeal, what a terrible thing to happen. the case i'm talking about was very obvious negligence which led to someone dying of cancer. i won't go into details but it was very obvious that he didn't even look at the complaint and just shrugged it off as nothing without even seeing it. in my opinion something should have happened to this doctor regardless of whether it was pursued in court, but that isn't what happens in reality. they are just as much murderers as anyone else who kills someone intentionally. so actually i don't have too much faith in death row and the death penalty system and i still stand by two wrongs not making a right. it's just my opinion though.

It is sad about your friend as well. This doctor not showing remorse makes it even worse though I doubt he planned for his patient to die due to his negligence. He should have been punished and it scares me to think he may still be practicing medicine.

If you really think about it though, many of us could cause someone's death without intending to. Think of the guys who build houses. Bad wiring could cause a fire or the house could be geographically placed wrong so it slides due to being a mud prone area. You could be distracted while driving run a red light and hit someone. Maybe you leave something out in your home or on your yard and someone trips on it. Are those all mistakes we could make? Yes. Does it deserve the death penalty even if we don't feel remorse (though I would hope we do)? No. What I mean is when someone intends to kill someone. This means they could do it again as they thought to do it this time. It means this person is too dangerous mentally to ever be allowed to go free. Problem with life sentences is they are expensive and actually don't benifit the killers in any way because their life is over with a life sentence.

i totally agree with you there, it's just difficult for me to see where to draw the line between mistakes and intention. i'd love to debate this further but it is very late where i am.

i hope you all have a pleasant evening.

[rocks 494]

That guy should do some serious jail time and give reperation money to the relatives if you ask me. I belive the death penalty should be reserved for pre-meditated murders. If it can be proved this doctor planned to kill his patient or be that negligent, then perhaps he would deserve the death penalty too.

well, neither of those things happened. i'm sure he continued practising as well. they received nothing apart from a letter stating it was negligence on the doctors part. in my angry opinion he should have received the death penalty but in reality as i said, two wrongs do not make a right. when you are emotionally involved in something it is easy for that to cloud your judgement, ethically it is not right to kill anyone.

Negligence by doctors is really sad. I had a friend whose father was in the emergency room for a serious problem. They told the hospital what things he was allergic to and the hospital failed to note it and actually gave him one of the things he couldn't have. Her father nearly died as a result of that. Doctors do need to be held responsible for such actions as well as any other hosptial personnel involved.

indeed. that is very sad and i'm glad your friends father survived that ordeal, what a terrible thing to happen. the case i'm talking about was very obvious negligence which led to someone dying of cancer. i won't go into details but it was very obvious that he didn't even look at the complaint and just shrugged it off as nothing without even seeing it. in my opinion something should have happened to this doctor regardless of whether it was pursued in court, but that isn't what happens in reality. they are just as much murderers as anyone else who kills someone intentionally. so actually i don't have too much faith in death row and the death penalty system and i still stand by two wrongs not making a right. it's just my opinion though.

It is sad about your friend as well. This doctor not showing remorse makes it even worse though I doubt he planned for his patient to die due to his negligence. He should have been punished and it scares me to think he may still be practicing medicine.

If you really think about it though, many of us could cause someone's death without intending to. Think of the guys who build houses. Bad wiring could cause a fire or the house could be geographically placed wrong so it slides due to being a mud prone area. You could be distracted while driving run a red light and hit someone. Maybe you leave something out in your home or on your yard and someone trips on it. Are those all mistakes we could make? Yes. Does it deserve the death penalty even if we don't feel remorse (though I would hope we do)? No. What I mean is when someone intends to kill someone. This means they could do it again as they thought to do it this time. It means this person is too dangerous mentally to ever be allowed to go free. Problem with life sentences is they are expensive and actually don't benifit the killers in any way because their life is over with a life sentence.

the problem with this situation is that a doctor is someone that everyone should be able to trust. when they tell you something about a query you have over your health you are likely to believe what they tell you because they are accredited and why should you question a professional? i know i hate it when people question my answers i give them about computers! anyway, so when someone doesn't take a query seriously because they are too busy thinking about their game of golf later or simply doesn't care, i do feel that they are liable for the death because they have violated the trust that we all have in doctors by not doing their job. this particular situation occurred because someone was incapable of doing their job not because of an accident. in an ideal world he should have at least got life in jail and the family involved should be millionaires!

i don't agree with it in the first place but the death penalty is flawed, it doesn't cover enough of the perpetrators that it should.

[notime4haterz 0]

What about when men from other countries, like the US, rape and then kill young girls? Where is all the hoop la la ??? It's like so common in this country, no one does more than shake their heads. So why is everyone freaking out about something that has taken place in Africa? (Africa, not Middle East, by the way). It happens all over the world. Stop blaming people's countries and cultures.

And yes, even here, men with enough money and good lawyers get off scott free from murder, so don't act like it doesn't happen here either!

While it's sad that this has happened, I just find it really ignorant to keep going on an on about how these people are "not like us"... If you compare the number of rapes committed there, I am almost sure it's gonna be less than here. So does that mean we're also a barbaric, backwards, medieval society???? I'd like to think we're not...

Oh, and please don't put up links to Islamic websites where things have no way of being authenticated, and where people without any knowledge of the religion or its sharia law will misinterpret things that they read and spread false information around.

Edited November 10, 2008 by narina77

[S and S 12]

What about when men from other countries, like the US, rape and then kill young girls? Where is all the hoop la la ??? It's like so common in this country, no one does more than shake their heads. So why is everyone freaking out about something that has taken place in Africa? (Africa, not Middle East, by the way). It happens all over the world. Stop blaming people's countries and cultures.

And yes, even here, men with enough money and good lawyers get off scott free from murder, so don't act like it doesn't happen here either!

While it's sad that this has happened, I just find it really ignorant to keep going on an on about how these people are "not like us"... If you compare the number of rapes committed there, I am almost sure it's gonna be less than here. So does that mean we're also a barbaric, backwards, medieval society???? I'd like to think we're not...

Oh, and please don't put up links to Islamic websites where things have no way of being authenticated, and where people without any knowledge of the religion or its sharia law will misinterpret things that they read and spread false information around.

Who is this in reference to?

[notime4haterz 0]

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m48612&hd=&size=1&l=e

Here you go...even more horrendous.

[rocks 494]

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m48612&hd=&size=1&l=e

Here you go...even more horrendous.

can you cite this from a reputable news source rather than some unheard of one?