Obama Wants 12 Million Illegals to Get Citizenship

[Heracles 417]

While I understand its purpose, I am not a fan of HOA.

I cannot wait to buy a house that is not part of any HOA so I get to decide the rules.

Though I did enjoy HOA when I lived in an apartment. They took care of everything.

Edited November 5, 2008 by Aficionado

[Gigli2008 70]

I feel your concern. So let's direct this to those who did not make good choices like your husband did. For the record I have no major problems with illegals coz I hire them all the time. They mow my lawn every Tuesday and Clean my house every other Friday. No one else has offered those services to me at a reasonable price, and I really appreciate them for the detailed work they do. Priceless!!

I have talked to them and they indicate that if only the Govt would come up with a way for them to pay taxes. They have no problem with that. So we can be mad at them for not paying taxes but the system has no provision for that. And people can be mad at me for hiring illegals but I am not a company. Paying them $25 per mow and $60 per cleaned house is only enough for them to pay rent and put food on the table.

I don't know what line of work you are in but how would you like it if they outsourced your job to someone who will work for less.

White collar workers don't give a #### because they know it does not affect them. Outsourced jobs on the other hand causes them to kick and scream..

Seriously, out-sourcing jobs for mowers and house-cleaners. If I advertised on Craig's List that I needed a mower and house-cleaner, 1) White and Black would not respond and if they did 2) they would quote $10 per hour rates. I am an equal opportunity kind of person. I don't care who shows up at my door as long as I get to pay how much I can afford to pay.

I would do my own cleaning and mowing but, I suck at it. The home-owners association is way serious about how our neighborhood needs to look, and ....well I just suck at house cleaning.

Jesus Charles!!! Re-phrasing. Mowing the lawn = neighborhood looking clean. Keeping house clean = good, because I suck at cleaning. So I hire a mower and a house cleaner.

your homeowner's association checks how well you clean house?

[Saddle Bronc 124]

While I understand its purpose, I am not a fan of HOA.

I cannot wait to buy a house that is not part of any HOA so I get to decide the rules.

Though I did enjoy HOA when I lived in an apartment. They took care of everything.

aka "rental office"?

[Gigli2008 70]

I feel your concern. So let's direct this to those who did not make good choices like your husband did. For the record I have no major problems with illegals coz I hire them all the time. They mow my lawn every Tuesday and Clean my house every other Friday. No one else has offered those services to me at a reasonable price, and I really appreciate them for the detailed work they do. Priceless!!

I have talked to them and they indicate that if only the Govt would come up with a way for them to pay taxes. They have no problem with that. So we can be mad at them for not paying taxes but the system has no provision for that. And people can be mad at me for hiring illegals but I am not a company. Paying them $25 per mow and $60 per cleaned house is only enough for them to pay rent and put food on the table.

I don't know what line of work you are in but how would you like it if they outsourced your job to someone who will work for less.

White collar workers don't give a #### because they know it does not affect them. Outsourced jobs on the other hand causes them to kick and scream..

Seriously, out-sourcing jobs for mowers and house-cleaners. If I advertised on Craig's List that I needed a mower and house-cleaner, 1) White and Black would not respond and if they did 2) they would quote $10 per hour rates. I am an equal opportunity kind of person. I don't care who shows up at my door as long as I get to pay how much I can afford to pay.

I would do my own cleaning and mowing but, I suck at it. The home-owners association is way serious about how our neighborhood needs to look, and ....well I just suck at house cleaning.

On lawn-mowing, there is a simple method: basically cut till you see dirt, then leave it for awhile (may not please HOA, but it's analogous to an air-hostess telling a passenger to put seatbelt on tighter due to laws, and passenger responding by tying it in knot).

You do not know my HOA. They are from hell!! I mowed the lawn once and tried to edge (and was very excited too) and they wrote me up for not mowing and edging. They told me I have 10 days to correct after which they will charge me $100 a day until corrected. I hear in CA they can attach a lien to the house for not paying up on those fees. Anyway I got scared and just pay someone to do this.

[Gigli2008 70]

Ok re-phrasing. Applying or getting petitioned for Legal Permanent Resident (Green Card).

which would apply only if getting married to a usc. i doubt all of them are here looking for a gringa to marry.

Not necessariliy. There was the I-245i (I think that's what it was) that got in a bunch of million illegals. I was thinking of such scenarios for the future, should that happen. Even though that was employer-based, that is still an avenue for a non-USC petition.

that's amnesty, not going to happen unless congress makes it so.

employer based may not be an option for one already in the states illegally though.

There are different ways of illegality. If you came in legally and expired your status you were (in 2001 amnesty) still eligible for amnesty. If you crossed over illegaly...different matter.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

You do not know my HOA. They are from hell!! I mowed the lawn once and tried to edge (and was very excited too) and they wrote me up for not mowing and edging. They told me I have 10 days to correct after which they will charge me $100 a day until corrected. I hear in CA they can attach a lien to the house for not paying up on those fees. Anyway I got scared and just pay someone to do this.

By what I've read in the news about people (including, ironically one HOA President in FL) getting in trouble with the HOA, I assume that HOA's are between daemonic and archdaemonic (yours fits the latter category).

[Nessa 23]

Mccain and Palin also supported a "way to make illegals get in line and get their paperwork.. but no, that's not an amnesty' .. what's your point? or maybe the difference was that the reps were lying and were just tricking illegals that they'd help them out?

precisely why i wasn't too keen on mccain either.

with all the illegal lovers in the States, no candidate to president would be 100% not supportive of ways to make them legal. they all have to say things they don't mean to make people vote for them.

[Mononoke28 135]

they all have to say things they don't mean to make people vote for them.

It didn't work for McCain and Palin, did it? :lol

Diana

[Nessa 23]

they all have to say things they don't mean to make people vote for them.

It didn't work for McCain and Palin, did it? :lol

Diana

apparently not

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

That's why amnesty is coming!!

Whether you like it or not Democrats are pro immigration reform and amnesty. As of right now, they control the house, senate and presidency, theeeerefore you know what's going to happen...

Rant all you want now, carry on...

[Gigli2008 70]

That's why amnesty is coming!!

Whether you like it or not Democrats are pro immigration reform and amnesty. As of right now, they control the house, senate and presidency, theeeerefore you know what's going to happen...

Rant all you want now, carry on...

I agree, I don't see any other practical way around it. 1). ICE cannot find them in the first place so as to deport them. 2). If No. 1 would be possible it would be a very expensive project. 3). Since No. 1 and 2 are nearly impossible to accomplish, I say for national security's sake, we stop more from coming in (by strengthening border and customs or whatever) and legalize those already inside the border, following some steps towards legalization based on good behavior, tax payments, etc. Punitive measures will only ensure that more of them hide from the system.

[Giskat09 2]

A Barack Obama administration would be a "nation killer" if Democrats attain a "supermajority" in the Senate, a leading conservative figure on immigration warned Tuesday.

Obama also has said he wants to make the 12 million illegal aliens in the U.S. citizens as soon as he can — an amnesty program that would make them legally entitled to full government benefits, including Social Security and health care.

William Gheen, president of the Raleigh, N.C.-based Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC), says Obama's plan would make it politically impossible to secure America's borders. He describes Obama and a new Democratic Congress as a "worst-case scenario" for border and immigration security.

"I would paint that scenario as a nation killer," Gheen, a former campaign consultant and an outspoken advocate for stronger border control policies, tells Newsmax. "I would expect amnesty to pass within a year. That means in the next presidential election, you will have a new voting bloc of 15 million illegal aliens who turn into voters.

"And that voting bloc," he says, "especially in the Southwest United States, would be enough to take full control of most city, state, and county governments, thus destroying any future hopes for immigration enforcement or border security."

Although GOP nominee John McCain has rarely confronted Obama during the campaign over immigration — presumably to avoid alienating Hispanic voters — Obama's record reflects a clear focus on expanding entitlements to undocumented workers.

As a state senator in Illinois, for example, Obama co-sponsored that state's version of the DREAM Act, which allowed youngsters in the country illegally to receive in-state tuition. He later supported similar legislation in the U.S. Senate.

During a September campaign swing, Obama told the North Carolina Public Radio station WUNC that the children of illegal immigrants should have an opportunity to attend community colleges.

"For us to deny them access to community college, even though they've never lived in Mexico, as least as far as they can tell, is to deny that this is how we've always built this country up," Obama said.

According to the NewsObserver.com, the McCain campaign reacted to Obama's remark by issuing the statement: "John McCain does not support amnesty or benefits for undocumented immigrants. He has consistently opposed giving amnesty or public benefits to undocumented immigrants."

Obama, who tends to dismiss discussion of his pro-immigration positions as politically motivated "distractions," has demonstrated no such reticence to expand entitlements for illegals. Specifically:

# Obama's plan for universal health care would include coverage for illegal immigrants, according to political strategist and Newsmax columnist ####### Morris. Morris has warned that covering illegals "adds dramatically" to the cost of universal health care.

# In March, Obama voted to table a Senate amendment that would support the withdrawal of federal assistance "to sanctuary cities that ignore the immigration laws of the United States and create safe havens for illegal aliens and potential terrorists." McCain did not cast a vote.

# Obama supported the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform legislation that was defeated in 2006. Since then, McCain has taken the position that securing the borders must precede immigration reform. Obama continues to support a process to "bring people out of the shadows" and eventually obtain legal status (at which point they would be eligible for the federally mandated benefits available to anyone, such as Social Security). Obama also calls for enhanced border security.

# The Democratic candidate for president supports, in principle, providing state-funded welfare benefits to legal immigrants. While a state senator, Obama supported allocating state funds to provide Medicaid coverage to some legal immigrants, according to OnTheIssues.org.

# Obama has supported increasing the number of work visas issued each year, such as the H1-B visa, especially for applicants with specialized skills. According to OnTheIssues.org, Obama co-sponsored, along with New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, a bill that would provide federal funding to help states provide health care and education to non-U.S. citizens.

# Obama strongly supports encouraging American children to become bilingual and, at one point in the campaign, appeared to suggest it should be mandatory. In June, he voted against a Senate provision that would declare English the national language of the United States. McCain voted for it.

Edward I. Nelson, the chairman of the nonprofit U.S. Border Control organization, warns that "Welfare and in-state tuition are powerful inducements to illegal immigration, as are free medical benefits."

Nelson says his organization has awarded both Obama and McCain an "F" on their immigration and border control policies.

Gheen says Obama and McCain both would ultimately favor amnesty for illegals, albeit differently.

"Obama would give in-state tuition and driver's licenses to illegal aliens, then make them legal," Gheen says. "McCain would make them legal, and then give them in-state tuition and driver's licenses."

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THIS IS A GOOD NEWS FOR ALL THE PEOPLE WHO IS NOW LIVING IN USA AS ILLEGALS.. IT WILL GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO LIVE AND BENEFITS AS WELL.. THIS IS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN USA FOR MORE THAN 5 YEARS NOW WITHOUT HAVING THEIR VISAS AND PASSPORTS WAS ALREADY EXPIRED. THIS SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED CAREFULLY AND MAKING THINGS RIGHT. AMERICA IS AMERICA WE CANNOT HIDE THE FACT THAT ITS THE MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WHOLE WORLD.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I want my money back and the 3 years of my life that was wasted in the immigration process. Wouldn't that be fair compensation? I can see it now, they will be storming the border trying to get in on the amnesty deal.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Election's over... y'all can PLEASE shut up now.

remember all that bushbashing? it's obamatime!

He isn't even in office yet. Why getting riled up now? Let the man transition and start governing. If you don't like what he does, then fire away with your criticism. At this point, there's nothing to criticize. He is not yet in office and has not yet done a thing as President. Bush was criticized for disastrous actions he took in office and for policies he pushed and pursued as President. He was afforded credit going in, he was afforded credit when 9/11 hit. He gambled all that credit away but he was afforded credit. Extend the new president that same courtesy.

i'm getting warmed up. how's that medicine tasting?

It's nonsense at this point. But do et yourself worked up over nothing if it pleases you.

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

Election's over... y'all can PLEASE shut up now.

remember all that bushbashing? it's obamatime!

He isn't even in office yet. Why getting riled up now? Let the man transition and start governing. If you don't like what he does, then fire away with your criticism. At this point, there's nothing to criticize. He is not yet in office and has not yet done a thing as President. Bush was criticized for disastrous actions he took in office and for policies he pushed and pursued as President. He was afforded credit going in, he was afforded credit when 9/11 hit. He gambled all that credit away but he was afforded credit. Extend the new president that same courtesy.

i'm getting warmed up. how's that medicine tasting?

It's nonsense at this point. But do et yourself worked up over nothing if it pleases you.

must not be nonsense, it struck a nerve with you.