Obama Wants 12 Million Illegals to Get Citizenship

[Gigli2008 70]

If that happens, don't you think they'd have to pay to file as well?

Diana

On a slightly different note: -- I know illegals buy cars for cash and drive on our highways anyway. So give them Drivers License so I can be assured that I am driving next to DPS tested AND insured driver. No DL = No Liability Insurance = unsafe roads and highways. DL's alone should not permit one to get employment. Just don't give them SSNs without proof of legal residency. Just keep the roads safe. And if I do get in an accident with an illegal and its his/her fault, I need assurance of reliable compensation. That's all I'm saying.

Why would anyone wants to drive legally (with proper DL & pay for proper insurance) while they are not here legally? What's the incentive?

Because contrary to what everyone on here believes "illegals" aren't all about breaking every single law there is out there. My hubby was illegal and didn't break one single law after coming to the US. He had an ITIN, a valid DL, and paid his taxes. It's people like you that just blow my mind. Until you really know about illegals, don't judge, it just makes you look stupid.

I feel your concern. So let's direct this to those who did not make good choices like your husband did. For the record I have no major problems with illegals coz I hire them all the time. They mow my lawn every Tuesday and Clean my house every other Friday. No one else has offered those services to me at a reasonable price, and I really appreciate them for the detailed work they do. Priceless!!

I have talked to them and they indicate that if only the Govt would come up with a way for them to pay taxes. They have no problem with that. So we can be mad at them for not paying taxes but the system has no provision for that. And people can be mad at me for hiring illegals but I am not a company. Paying them $25 per mow and $60 per cleaned house is only enough for them to pay rent and put food on the table.

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

If that happens, don't you think they'd have to pay to file as well?

Diana

On a slightly different note: -- I know illegals buy cars for cash and drive on our highways anyway. So give them Drivers License so I can be assured that I am driving next to DPS tested AND insured driver. No DL = No Liability Insurance = unsafe roads and highways. DL's alone should not permit one to get employment. Just don't give them SSNs without proof of legal residency. Just keep the roads safe. And if I do get in an accident with an illegal and its his/her fault, I need assurance of reliable compensation. That's all I'm saying.

Why would anyone wants to drive legally (with proper DL & pay for proper insurance) while they are not here legally? What's the incentive?

Because contrary to what everyone on here believes "illegals" aren't all about breaking every single law there is out there. My hubby was illegal and didn't break one single law after coming to the US. He had an ITIN, a valid DL, and paid his taxes. It's people like you that just blow my mind. Until you really know about illegals, don't judge, it just makes you look stupid.

I feel your concern. So let's direct this to those who did not make good choices like your husband did. For the record I have no major problems with illegals coz I hire them all the time. They mow my lawn every Tuesday and Clean my house every other Friday. No one else has offered those services to me at a reasonable price, and I really appreciate them for the detailed work they do. Priceless!!

I have talked to them and they indicate that if only the Govt would come up with a way for them to pay taxes. They have no problem with that. So we can be mad at them for not paying taxes but the system has no provision for that. And people can be mad at me for hiring illegals but I am not a company. Paying them $25 per mow and $60 per cleaned house is only enough for them to pay rent and put food on the table.

as i remember, kids work pretty cheap too. i did when i was a teenager. imo you're making excuses for your hiring practices.

[Heracles 417]

I feel your concern. So let's direct this to those who did not make good choices like your husband did. For the record I have no major problems with illegals coz I hire them all the time. They mow my lawn every Tuesday and Clean my house every other Friday. No one else has offered those services to me at a reasonable price, and I really appreciate them for the detailed work they do. Priceless!!

I have talked to them and they indicate that if only the Govt would come up with a way for them to pay taxes. They have no problem with that. So we can be mad at them for not paying taxes but the system has no provision for that. And people can be mad at me for hiring illegals but I am not a company. Paying them $25 per mow and $60 per cleaned house is only enough for them to pay rent and put food on the table.

I don't know what line of work you are in but how would you like it if they outsourced your job to someone who will work for less.

White collar workers don't give a #### because they know it does not affect them. Outsourced jobs on the other hand causes them to kick and scream..

Edited November 5, 2008 by Aficionado

[Gigli2008 70]

If that happens, don't you think they'd have to pay to file as well?

Diana

On a slightly different note: -- I know illegals buy cars for cash and drive on our highways anyway. So give them Drivers License so I can be assured that I am driving next to DPS tested AND insured driver. No DL = No Liability Insurance = unsafe roads and highways. DL's alone should not permit one to get employment. Just don't give them SSNs without proof of legal residency. Just keep the roads safe. And if I do get in an accident with an illegal and its his/her fault, I need assurance of reliable compensation. That's all I'm saying.

Why would anyone wants to drive legally (with proper DL & pay for proper insurance) while they are not here legally? What's the incentive?

That's one of my concerns. First I would say that it is illegal to drive without a license and insurance so....how about one less illegal activity while you are here.

My thinking is - 1). You get caught driving unlicensed and uninsured, then you lose your eligibility for future legalization. 2) You immediately get jailed and forwarded to ICE (that might be a good State Law). That might be incentive enough. But I may be wrong

given how many get a dwi and still get released to repeat that very process, it seems they don't have much to fear regarding being turned over to ice.

Good Point. I think (I am not sure) but when they apply for LPR they have a rough time with the application. If the law would be clear (State Law) on what steps to take when a DWI turns out to be an illegal, especially by tying them with ICE if this happens, the results might be different. However, many states have drawn a line between Immigration matters and other Legal matters.

when they apply for lpr?

Ok re-phrasing. Applying or getting petitioned for Legal Permanent Resident (Green Card).

[tom&tata 2]

If that happens, don't you think they'd have to pay to file as well?

Diana

On a slightly different note: -- I know illegals buy cars for cash and drive on our highways anyway. So give them Drivers License so I can be assured that I am driving next to DPS tested AND insured driver. No DL = No Liability Insurance = unsafe roads and highways. DL's alone should not permit one to get employment. Just don't give them SSNs without proof of legal residency. Just keep the roads safe. And if I do get in an accident with an illegal and its his/her fault, I need assurance of reliable compensation. That's all I'm saying.

Why would anyone wants to drive legally (with proper DL & pay for proper insurance) while they are not here legally? What's the incentive?

Because contrary to what everyone on here believes "illegals" aren't all about breaking every single law there is out there. My hubby was illegal and didn't break one single law after coming to the US. He had an ITIN, a valid DL, and paid his taxes. It's people like you that just blow my mind. Until you really know about illegals, don't judge, it just makes you look stupid.

Who was judging? It was pure logic question because somebody else throw in a solution. If somebody does not gain anything from doing something, why should you expect it to work? I was expecting a discussion with Gigli.

Edited November 5, 2008 by tom&tata

[NickD 202]

Obama also has said he wants to make the 12 million illegal aliens in the U.S. citizens as soon as he can — an amnesty program that would make them legally entitled to full government benefits, including Social Security and health care.

Nothing like securing the re-election vote.

Exactly who is William Gheen anyway, is he an official spokesman for Obama? Or is he another smear specialist? Could any of us challenge Obama for what William Gheen said? From his website is certainly anti anti illegals from all aspects.

Ha, according to his site, endorce Daniel E. Mielke for Congress, Republican, too late now, he only got about 20% of the vote, mainly because he wants to increase the war effort in Iraq. I know this guy, in my opinion, he is not playing with a full deck of cards. So is William really against illegals or playing footsie to get his candidates elected?

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

Ok re-phrasing. Applying or getting petitioned for Legal Permanent Resident (Green Card).

which would apply only if getting married to a usc. i doubt all of them are here looking for a gringa to marry.

[Gigli2008 70]

If that happens, don't you think they'd have to pay to file as well?

Diana

On a slightly different note: -- I know illegals buy cars for cash and drive on our highways anyway. So give them Drivers License so I can be assured that I am driving next to DPS tested AND insured driver. No DL = No Liability Insurance = unsafe roads and highways. DL's alone should not permit one to get employment. Just don't give them SSNs without proof of legal residency. Just keep the roads safe. And if I do get in an accident with an illegal and its his/her fault, I need assurance of reliable compensation. That's all I'm saying.

Why would anyone wants to drive legally (with proper DL & pay for proper insurance) while they are not here legally? What's the incentive?

Because contrary to what everyone on here believes "illegals" aren't all about breaking every single law there is out there. My hubby was illegal and didn't break one single law after coming to the US. He had an ITIN, a valid DL, and paid his taxes. It's people like you that just blow my mind. Until you really know about illegals, don't judge, it just makes you look stupid.

I feel your concern. So let's direct this to those who did not make good choices like your husband did. For the record I have no major problems with illegals coz I hire them all the time. They mow my lawn every Tuesday and Clean my house every other Friday. No one else has offered those services to me at a reasonable price, and I really appreciate them for the detailed work they do. Priceless!!

I have talked to them and they indicate that if only the Govt would come up with a way for them to pay taxes. They have no problem with that. So we can be mad at them for not paying taxes but the system has no provision for that. And people can be mad at me for hiring illegals but I am not a company. Paying them $25 per mow and $60 per cleaned house is only enough for them to pay rent and put food on the table.

as i remember, kids work pretty cheap too. i did when i was a teenager. imo you're making excuses for your hiring practices.

I don't need to make excuses because I am not ashamed of anything I am doing. As one from Africa, I know I would not want anyone to question something as little as $25. I have a 13 year old son who could very well mow the lawn. But he has no concerns of putting food on the table and he would do a sloppy job anyway.

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

Obama also has said he wants to make the 12 million illegal aliens in the U.S. citizens as soon as he can — an amnesty program that would make them legally entitled to full government benefits, including Social Security and health care.

Nothing like securing the re-election vote.

Exactly who is William Gheen anyway, is he an official spokesman for Obama? Or is he another smear specialist? Could any of us challenge Obama for what William Gheen said? From his website is certainly anti anti illegals from all aspects.

Ha, according to his site, endorce Daniel E. Mielke for Congress, Republican, too late now, he only got about 20% of the vote, mainly because he wants to increase the war effort in Iraq. I know this guy, in my opinion, he is not playing with a full deck of cards. So is William really against illegals or playing footsie to get his candidates elected?

http://www.alipac.com/william_gheen/index.shtml

If that happens, don't you think they'd have to pay to file as well?

Diana

On a slightly different note: -- I know illegals buy cars for cash and drive on our highways anyway. So give them Drivers License so I can be assured that I am driving next to DPS tested AND insured driver. No DL = No Liability Insurance = unsafe roads and highways. DL's alone should not permit one to get employment. Just don't give them SSNs without proof of legal residency. Just keep the roads safe. And if I do get in an accident with an illegal and its his/her fault, I need assurance of reliable compensation. That's all I'm saying.

Why would anyone wants to drive legally (with proper DL & pay for proper insurance) while they are not here legally? What's the incentive?

Because contrary to what everyone on here believes "illegals" aren't all about breaking every single law there is out there. My hubby was illegal and didn't break one single law after coming to the US. He had an ITIN, a valid DL, and paid his taxes. It's people like you that just blow my mind. Until you really know about illegals, don't judge, it just makes you look stupid.

I feel your concern. So let's direct this to those who did not make good choices like your husband did. For the record I have no major problems with illegals coz I hire them all the time. They mow my lawn every Tuesday and Clean my house every other Friday. No one else has offered those services to me at a reasonable price, and I really appreciate them for the detailed work they do. Priceless!!

I have talked to them and they indicate that if only the Govt would come up with a way for them to pay taxes. They have no problem with that. So we can be mad at them for not paying taxes but the system has no provision for that. And people can be mad at me for hiring illegals but I am not a company. Paying them $25 per mow and $60 per cleaned house is only enough for them to pay rent and put food on the table.

as i remember, kids work pretty cheap too. i did when i was a teenager. imo you're making excuses for your hiring practices.

I don't need to make excuses because I am not ashamed of anything I am doing. As one from Africa, I know I would not want anyone to question something as little as $25. I have a 13 year old son who could very well mow the lawn. But he has no concerns of putting food on the table and he would do a sloppy job anyway.

what's being from africa got to do with anything?

at 13 i was mowing the yard, btw. and while i may not have done a good job at the start of learning how, it's a good teaching tool.

[Gigli2008 70]

I feel your concern. So let's direct this to those who did not make good choices like your husband did. For the record I have no major problems with illegals coz I hire them all the time. They mow my lawn every Tuesday and Clean my house every other Friday. No one else has offered those services to me at a reasonable price, and I really appreciate them for the detailed work they do. Priceless!!

I have talked to them and they indicate that if only the Govt would come up with a way for them to pay taxes. They have no problem with that. So we can be mad at them for not paying taxes but the system has no provision for that. And people can be mad at me for hiring illegals but I am not a company. Paying them $25 per mow and $60 per cleaned house is only enough for them to pay rent and put food on the table.

I don't know what line of work you are in but how would you like it if they outsourced your job to someone who will work for less.

White collar workers don't give a #### because they know it does not affect them. Outsourced jobs on the other hand causes them to kick and scream..

Seriously, out-sourcing jobs for mowers and house-cleaners. If I advertised on Craig's List that I needed a mower and house-cleaner, 1) White and Black would not respond and if they did 2) they would quote $10 per hour rates. I am an equal opportunity kind of person. I don't care who shows up at my door as long as I get to pay how much I can afford to pay.

I would do my own cleaning and mowing but, I suck at it. The home-owners association is way serious about how our neighborhood needs to look, and ....well I just suck at house cleaning.

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

I feel your concern. So let's direct this to those who did not make good choices like your husband did. For the record I have no major problems with illegals coz I hire them all the time. They mow my lawn every Tuesday and Clean my house every other Friday. No one else has offered those services to me at a reasonable price, and I really appreciate them for the detailed work they do. Priceless!!

I have talked to them and they indicate that if only the Govt would come up with a way for them to pay taxes. They have no problem with that. So we can be mad at them for not paying taxes but the system has no provision for that. And people can be mad at me for hiring illegals but I am not a company. Paying them $25 per mow and $60 per cleaned house is only enough for them to pay rent and put food on the table.

I don't know what line of work you are in but how would you like it if they outsourced your job to someone who will work for less.

White collar workers don't give a #### because they know it does not affect them. Outsourced jobs on the other hand causes them to kick and scream..

Seriously, out-sourcing jobs for mowers and house-cleaners. If I advertised on Craig's List that I needed a mower and house-cleaner, 1) White and Black would not respond and if they did 2) they would quote $10 per hour rates. I am an equal opportunity kind of person. I don't care who shows up at my door as long as I get to pay how much I can afford to pay.

I would do my own cleaning and mowing but, I suck at it. The home-owners association is way serious about how our neighborhood needs to look, and ....well I just suck at house cleaning.

your homeowner's association checks how well you clean house?

[Saddle Bronc 124]

I feel your concern. So let's direct this to those who did not make good choices like your husband did. For the record I have no major problems with illegals coz I hire them all the time. They mow my lawn every Tuesday and Clean my house every other Friday. No one else has offered those services to me at a reasonable price, and I really appreciate them for the detailed work they do. Priceless!!

I have talked to them and they indicate that if only the Govt would come up with a way for them to pay taxes. They have no problem with that. So we can be mad at them for not paying taxes but the system has no provision for that. And people can be mad at me for hiring illegals but I am not a company. Paying them $25 per mow and $60 per cleaned house is only enough for them to pay rent and put food on the table.

I don't know what line of work you are in but how would you like it if they outsourced your job to someone who will work for less.

White collar workers don't give a #### because they know it does not affect them. Outsourced jobs on the other hand causes them to kick and scream..

Seriously, out-sourcing jobs for mowers and house-cleaners. If I advertised on Craig's List that I needed a mower and house-cleaner, 1) White and Black would not respond and if they did 2) they would quote $10 per hour rates. I am an equal opportunity kind of person. I don't care who shows up at my door as long as I get to pay how much I can afford to pay.

I would do my own cleaning and mowing but, I suck at it. The home-owners association is way serious about how our neighborhood needs to look, and ....well I just suck at house cleaning.

On lawn-mowing, there is a simple method: basically cut till you see dirt, then leave it for awhile (may not please HOA, but it's analogous to an air-hostess telling a passenger to put seatbelt on tighter due to laws, and passenger responding by tying it in knot).

[Gigli2008 70]

Ok re-phrasing. Applying or getting petitioned for Legal Permanent Resident (Green Card).

which would apply only if getting married to a usc. i doubt all of them are here looking for a gringa to marry.

Not necessariliy. There was the I-245i (I think that's what it was) that got in a bunch of million illegals. I was thinking of such scenarios for the future, should that happen. Even though that was employer-based, that is still an avenue for a non-USC petition.

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

Ok re-phrasing. Applying or getting petitioned for Legal Permanent Resident (Green Card).

which would apply only if getting married to a usc. i doubt all of them are here looking for a gringa to marry.

Not necessariliy. There was the I-245i (I think that's what it was) that got in a bunch of million illegals. I was thinking of such scenarios for the future, should that happen. Even though that was employer-based, that is still an avenue for a non-USC petition.

that's amnesty, not going to happen unless congress makes it so.

employer based may not be an option for one already in the states illegally though.

[Gigli2008 70]

Charles

My bad. By being from Africa I meant (and this should not mean all from Africa face the same predicaments) that I have personally suffered in Africa especially as well as here in the US. Now don't laugh at this.........but my first 2 years of life me and my birth mom slept in a goat barn (which was in a covered shed) because the family and extended family had a little piece of land and a shack to call home. My birth mom later gave me up to my aunt (her sister). My uncle (married to my aunt) fought my presence every day of my life until I was old enough to leave the house at 18. I was denied the most basic human needs during this time. My cousins fought my presence and I did not deserve to be taking what was rightfully theirs. Even hand-me-downs from them, they did not want to see me wear. I survived just by the sheer graciousness of neighbors and strangers.

Anyway I don't know why I feel for these guys but what I am doing is not different from passing by the shelter and offering someone $25. It's just good that what I pay for is serviced with dignity. But if I was an employer with an EIN, I would not hire an illegal.

Edited November 5, 2008 by Gigli2008