Obama won????!!!

[eros_EX_Plumber 0]

I think the TOPIC belong to the OFF-topic section....unless there is something specific to the Philippines

If i want to read anything about politics....I will go and read or post there.....

feel free to go to ot then. this topic started off in the pi forum and it's a gray area thread, so i see no reason to move it.

That is fine....so if I understand you correctly, any thread that is considered gray area can go anywhere....

[Alan and Noemi 0]

Now that the republicans got their fannys spanked, they try to seed fear and doubt. Funny that when Bush won... they told democrats it was time to put aside differences and support the president, no matter how much an evil, moronic buffoon he was. Face it... going into the election, there were only two men truly qualified to be president of the United States. George Bush and Bill Clinton... they have proved their qualifications. Everything else is just opinion. This also shows that being qualified does not mean you will be good or good for America. Some of the best leaders in history had little experience. A friend from England once told me "In England, George Bush wouldn't be trusted with scissors". Enough said.

For me it came down to this: Who is the better human being? Which one has compassion? Which one has more intelligence? Looking at them both, I truly believe that Obama is a really good human being that cares about people. McCain cares only for rich people and business interests and shows it through a nearly complete lack of regulation (until the end of the election, when he changed his mind) and support for Bush's policies 90% of the time. No joke. Its part of the congressional record. Also, for the record, getting shot down and taken prisoner makes you a victim of war, not a hero. Hero's risk their life and limb to save others or lose their life saving others or performing some important mission. McCain lost 2 or 3 planes before he was shot down. All evidence point to him just being a brash, reckless pilot.

George Bush has shown over and over that his only concern is big business and money for the rich. Trickle down theory? That has failed every time and made the gap between rich and poor even greater. Like my father likes to joke... "Bush is so crooked that when he dies, they will have to screw him into the ground". The man has done more damage to America and more to the Image of Americans in the world than anyone in history. No habeus corpus, search and seizure at will, wiretapping, reclassifying American citizens in prison as "combatants" in order to change their sentences, hiring private (mercenary) companies to fight in Iraq and to provide riot control in Louisiana (no kidding, the hiring of private companies carrying automatic weapons in our streets (think blackwater).... the list goes on and on. This is the closest to fascism that the USA has ever been. I pray its as close as we ever get.

Its ironic that the top 5% of citizens with 60% of all assets are mostly the religious right. Jesus absolutely hated rich people... scorned them... and told them they would have a very difficult time getting into heaven.

Obama was not my first choice, but my first choice of the two. He appears to be a true human being with kindness, compassion, legal expertise, and intelligence.

My first choice was Dennis Cucinich, who still has a paper on his website outlining the only health care plan that I see is sustainable.... by making it all non-profit organizations. What could be more important than the health and well being of American Citizens? NOTHING is more important. It should be taken by eminent domain laws.

Obama was my choice this time. So much so that I contributed some $ to a political campaign for the first time. I was independent, but now am leaning to the democratic socialists party. There is change in the air.... and I like the smell of it. It is the greedy and brainwashed republican supporters that support no matter how ridiculous the candidate that should be in fear for their days are numbered. Equality of opportunity is coming. We hope you are up to competing with the hard working middle class on an EVEN playing field for a change. Good luck.

[tallcoolone 102]

Obama Wins!!!!

This is a great day in America's history. Never in my lifetime would I have thought that an African-American would become President of our great nation.

His mother is white and father is black, how does that make him African American?

NeverLess:

I have ZERO problem with a black president. I have a problem with a president who is trying to push a socialist agenda, raise taxes, confided in a racist preacher and was then married by him and never denounced him until running for POTUS. Has ties to a known terrorist who says he wishes he would have caused more harm than he did. I have a problem with a first lady who claims this is the first time she has been proud of her country in her adult life now that her husband is running for president(at the time). If that man happens to be black, white, brown, or purple it is that that disgusts me, not the color. The fact that some say people won't/didn't vote for Obama because he was black gripes my #######. Yes there are a few here in this country but I believe the large majority of this nation has grown past that of the 60's. These people playing the race card are just as guilty as the KKK/Black Panther members etc... for furthering the race gap IMO. I am sure that Barrack would be a cool dude to drink a beer and wet a line with but I am not able to do that with him. All I know is where he stands when it comes to politics and his shaky past. It is that that I base my extreme dislike for him. NOT his skin color . I too am proud that we were able to look past skin color but it also saddens me that so many voted for him on exactly that. Not on the issues

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

I think the TOPIC belong to the OFF-topic section....unless there is something specific to the Philippines

If i want to read anything about politics....I will go and read or post there.....

feel free to go to ot then. this topic started off in the pi forum and it's a gray area thread, so i see no reason to move it.

That is fine....so if I understand you correctly, any thread that is considered gray area can go anywhere....

no, you don't understand.

gray area threads remain where they are posted.

[Mike_Zandy 0]

I have voted for the last 5 elections since I was 20.. I recall the Dems use to whine about how much cash the republican would raise versus the Dems.. Since Obama went back on his word on public financing.. The GOP will be prepared 2012.. and will not allow another Dem candidate go back on his word. The GOP candidate will have the cash this time.

Obama has both houses on the hill.. In 2 years he won't have an excuse. If things don't look any better in 2010. The Republican will erase the huge numbers the Dems have in both the house and senate.. And the Republican will be looking to take back the Whitehouse 2012..

I, like many of my fellow American have adopted the "wait and see" outlook. I will give me his due.. But things better change period.

I am looking forward to my man running in 2012

Bobby Jindal "Governor of Louisiana"

Edited November 7, 2008 by Mike_Zandy

[steve3402 0]

Republicans just don't get it! Talking points is all what you guys seem to want to bring up as your reasons not to like Obama. A post here compares the KKK and Black Panthers. While it is true that Black Panthers have a different view on race relations, but to place them in the same breath with the KKK is irresponsible. The KKK IS Americas first domestic terrorist and if given the chance they will continue. What was McCains plan? To cut taxes for the rich? To keep the war in Iraq going for 100 years. The only thing I heard from McCain was his objection to Obama. Maybe if he would have concentrated on his policies of helping America grow, he maybe had a chance. He is not inclusive and that is why he lost. The Republicans had 8 years to govern. Now its the Dems chance and God bless them and America! All Americans!!!

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

[sunandmoon 450]

charles, need some butter for that popcorn...

[Gumbolette 58]

charles, need some butter for that popcorn...

I believe this "wealth spread" will boom in the market. lol

poor people who've been working so hard, while other people will be having freebies.

[Tsup2 0]

Obama said today that he is "not committed" to missile defense. The Bush administration negotiated to put a missile defense system in Poland that protects the US and when Obama spoke to the Polish President he would not commit to the agreement. He stated that he couldn't support such a system until we knew it worked. This is similar to his position on nuclear power. He says he supports it but then gives himself an out by saying that it is not safe to store the nuclear waste. Another phony excuse. There will be no progress on energy independence during Obama's term. The honeymoon will be quickly over as the economy tanks with his misguided policies and he wont be able to point the blame at Bush.

Edited November 9, 2008 by Tsup2

[Alan and Noemi 0]

The KKK IS Americas first domestic terrorist and if given the chance they will continue.

Here here! Truer words were never spoken.

Although, I have a native American friend who would disagree with you!

"The Wampanoag Nation....... fighting domestic terrorism since 1620"

I guess its all in your perspective.

[steve3402 0]

The KKK IS Americas first domestic terrorist and if given the chance they will continue.

Here here! Truer words were never spoken.

Although, I have a native American friend who would disagree with you!

"The Wampanoag Nation....... fighting domestic terrorism since 1620"

I guess its all in your perspective.

Very very true!!!

[tallcoolone 102]

There will be no progress on energy independence during Obama's term. The honeymoon will be quickly over as the economy tanks with his misguided policies and he wont be able to point the blame at Bush.

Give Obama about 1 year and all the people whom are patting themselves on the back will be crying, Cuz their Hero just turned into a Zero.

To me Obama is a Socailist and reminds me of Karl Marx.

[Alan and Noemi 0]

There will be no progress on energy independence during Obama's term. The honeymoon will be quickly over as the economy tanks with his misguided policies and he wont be able to point the blame at Bush.

Give Obama about 1 year and all the people whom are patting themselves on the back will be crying, Cuz their Hero just turned into a Zero.

To me Obama is a Socailist and reminds me of Karl Marx.

Oh come now. Does anyone really think that Obama will be able to fix all the ills of the government in 1 year? in 1 term? 2 terms? He has inherited a huge mess in the form of a governmental system that is not only corrupt, but not sustainable long term (capitalism). History has shown capitalism to fail over and over again in the largest, most successful of empires. We are no different. To think otherwise is beyond arrogant and will be our undoing. The idea is for Mr. Obama to make society more fair for all, because frankly, it is not. In essense, to just put us on the right track again and avoid total collapse.

On the surface it appears to be fair, but take a few history courses and or sociology courses... and throw in some finance... and anyone will quickly see the cards are truly stacked in preference of the rich. Want to really understand how the cards are stacked anyone? Read the books "Perfectly Legal" and "Free Lunch" by David Cay Johnston. Its not just corporate charity, is all sorts of benefits for the rich that most people know nothing about and once they do, they cannot imagine that these things are even happening in America. Arguments about how capitalism has worked so far are essentially baseless. America grew into a super power very quickly.. about 150 years. But it did not do so on its strength. It did so on the backs of exploited foreign workers. It started with the slave trade... then the railroads were built by downtrodden exploited Chinese workers... cities built by harshly treated and barely compensated Irish and Italian workers.... and the list goes on.

As for Obama being a "socialist"... maybe... but why is that a bad thing? Socialism is NOT communism. It does not stop anyone from being rich. They just have a few more restrictions from the form of socialism we have now. (yes.. we have it now). People would simply not become rich making money in the basic areas of human needs (health care, education, etc.). They may also make their fortunes a little slower.... awww.. so maybe they pocket 3 million a year instead of 6 million. How awful for them. Perhaps they should be grateful they live in a country where this is possible year after year? Does storing away millions upon millions benefit society at all? Or does it hurt society? Its not a big challenge to figure that one out. Why wouldn't everyone want to create a society that is fair and just, and where nobody is hurting or destitute?.... so a few people at the top can be rich?

As a society, should we allow the sick and elderly to simply suffer and die? That's insane. America has enough resources that everyone who is willing to do an honest days work can be prosperous. It is not that way at the moment, though a large number of people are in denial about this. Many people work very hard (harder than most all rich people) for a substandard meager living. All because capitalism dictates they get paid as little as possible so that investors can make as much as possible (for not actually working... it is for "investing")... that's just one way the rich get richer... at a certain point, they no longer work... are no longer productive members of society.

America is a democratic republic... not a democracy (which is nothing more than mob rule). It also has a socialist core. How many of us enjoy these socialist perks? : Protection of the armed forces... police service... fire service... highways....public schools.... social security...the list goes on. Imagine a world without all those "socialist" anti-trust laws. America would belong to one large corporation by now. ALL of these are paid for by public money pooled together and invested for the common good. What would it be like if you had to higher private police service for your home? Private fire service? What would society in the US be like if we did not have public schools? Obama is not talking about communism ... he is simply trying to expand our ALREADY EXISTING socialist core to include health care and make the opportunities more fair for everyone. The real perks for the rich are mostly hidden, not in the tax system, though that is a mess also.

People make ridiculous arguments that lowering taxes actually raises revenue for the government. This is a fallacy. Reagan lowered taxes and indeed, more revenue came in. HOWEVER... during his terms he also took the national debt from 500 billion to three trillion dollars. Most of this he spent on defense spending for the cold war. In 2008 dollars, this is almost 6 trillion dollars. If anyone were to inject 6 trillion dollars into today's economy in spending, for war or otherwise... of course jobs will be created and more people work and more revenue is collected... all at a terrible cost... the cost of indebting our progeny for generations. This is not sustainable. The money has to come from somewhere. This is also the major difference in the party's. The term "Tax and Spend Democrats" is nonsense. First of all... that is how the government is SUPPOSED to run. Collect taxes and provide services. Republicans now simply "Borrow and Spend" so that the rich can keep more of theirs at the expense of the public. Only the cost lasts for generations.

Before WWII, the average citizen in the US was much worse off and nobody except the rich had any hope of attending college. The "socialist" policies to get the economy going like the new deal changed that. It allowed the average citizen to prosper. The GI bill allowed hundreds of thousands to attend college... increasing our workforce with highly qualified people. None of this would have been possible without "socialist" polices. Everyone needs to stop just spouting what they have been told and look at the reality of the world. Without these "socialist" policies, America would not be the power it is today.... and it is the key to staying on top.

[Señorita Tessa 1]

Oh, man! Imagine a black family living in the WHITE House. And my fiance adds, it's just like Tiger Woods winning The Masters tournament!