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Well, we're talking about the FIRST FAMILY. The family that will represent America. I think it's kind of important that they somehow reflect our values.

You people are the ones that want to take religion to task, but have a double standard for your own agenda.

Again...you're just being silly.

What are OUR values? Obama certainly doesn't reflect mine, nor will his family represent me. I'm not all that keen on a man who neglects his impoverished brother and calls to deport an aunt he wrote lovingly of in his autobiography and invited to his US Senate swearing in, but that's just me. I'm silly that way.

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So are you saying that your religion (or any religion) says that divorce is OK as long as your ex-wife forgives you for having an affair and marrying your mistress a month after the divorce?

Allah hates divorce, but He allows it with conditions. But, John McCain is not Muslim, so what my faith teaches I will not apply to him. The breakdown of a marriage is not a pleasent thing, but it is best to end it only one person wants to be in it. It is also best to end it before an affair, but that is not always what people do.

I was happily married for 30 years. Insha'allah, I will have the same kind of blessing in my current marriage. In those 30 years, I learned that each union takes its own path. Carol forgave John, and they moved on, remaining friends. Bill Clinton cheated on Hillary; she forgave them and they stayed together, by mutual choice. People in the relationship know more about the dynamics of their union than I do.

There is a wide saying: If you love someone, let them go. If they return, they belong to you. If they don't, they never did. That is the best you can ever do.

Isn't it a bit hypocritical...VERY hypocritical, that you can find it in your heart to forgive John McCain for everything, but his opponent for nothing?

There's a new saying: If someone loves you, set them free. If they love you, they will return. If they don't, hunt them down and make them read VW's postings.

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I believe the position is supporting freedom of a woman to choose. You keep throwing around this term, "lib". I wouldn't have aborted either child,

but I would've been thorough enough to teach a child about sex education AND the importance of abstinence. Sarah's daughter is lucky she didn't get a life threatening

disease, or have her boyfriend on trial for statutory rape. Pro-Choice is not pro abortion. That's like saying Pro-Life is Pro-Rape or Pro-Children of Incest.

You're just being silly.

I made a valid point and you dismiss me as silly. Do you have any kids? If you did, you would know that teaching them about sex education and abstinence isn't going to stop them from having sex. If you think that, then you're being silly. Ignorant people are so quick to criticize Sarah Palin for her daughter's pregnancy. But, if you have raised kids in this morally loose society, and I raised five, it's a lot easier to be empathetic to parents who are where you have been.

I have no patience with obfuscating semantics. Pro-choice is pro-abortion because it incorporates the option of abortion. It doesn't put any limits on abortion, and gives no mind to the interst of the unborn child. I see the responses posted here about pro-abortion to be callous and selfish, and it sickens me. You are one of the first, if not the first I have read, pro-choice person who says you would not abort. Most who have posted to me about it are very cavalier and impersonal about it, insisting that a child in the womb is not human. It's repulsive to me to see that.

I'm not silly. I'm concerned about the ability of some of my fellow citizens to be so cold and calculating about human life.

Wow...given your language, choice of words and know-it-all attitude I was truly under the impression that you were 20 years old. No joke. I am genuinely shocked.

I tell you what. You must be at least 45 and seriously mature. Why don't you post for me since you're so concerned about the impression I make?

What is this? Am I giving off vibes today that I'm looking for a makeover coach?

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Well, we're talking about the FIRST FAMILY. The family that will represent America. I think it's kind of important that they somehow reflect our values.

You people are the ones that want to take religion to task, but have a double standard for your own agenda.

Again...you're just being silly.

What are OUR values? Obama certainly doesn't reflect mine, nor will his family represent me. I'm not all that keen on a man who neglects his impoverished brother and calls to deport an aunt he wrote lovingly of in his autobiography and invited to his US Senate swearing in, but that's just me. I'm silly that way.

So the Republican values of Christianity and God first over the Constitution, and discrimination against Muslims, reflects your values?

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Isn't it a bit hypocritical...VERY hypocritical, that you can find it in your heart to forgive John McCain for everything, but his opponent for nothing?

There's a new saying: If someone loves you, set them free. If they love you, they will return. If they don't, hunt them down and make them read VW's postings.

I haven't forgiven him for anything. He didn't cheat on me.

It's such an excellent idea not to take this board too seriously.

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Well, we're talking about the FIRST FAMILY. The family that will represent America. I think it's kind of important that they somehow reflect our values.

You people are the ones that want to take religion to task, but have a double standard for your own agenda.

Again...you're just being silly.

What are OUR values? Obama certainly doesn't reflect mine, nor will his family represent me. I'm not all that keen on a man who neglects his impoverished brother and calls to deport an aunt he wrote lovingly of in his autobiography and invited to his US Senate swearing in, but that's just me. I'm silly that way.

So you're saying that you take care of ALL of your family members, no matter how distant in relation or geography?

You're saying that just because someone is related to you, and while you know of this person you have no communication or relationship with them,

that based purely on a blood relationship, you have a responsibility to them?

You also believe that a government official should put his family members inline in front of everyone else, or do the right thing and let the authorities deal

with someone who is out of status rather than use their influence?

Come on...you really are setting some double standards here.

Divorce a woman that stood by you in your darkest hours, and that's OK as long as she forgives you...but ignore a half-sibling in another country, that you don't even know besides their name, and that's a sin?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Well, we're talking about the FIRST FAMILY. The family that will represent America. I think it's kind of important that they somehow reflect our values.

You people are the ones that want to take religion to task, but have a double standard for your own agenda.

Again...you're just being silly.

What are OUR values? Obama certainly doesn't reflect mine, nor will his family represent me. I'm not all that keen on a man who neglects his impoverished brother and calls to deport an aunt he wrote lovingly of in his autobiography and invited to his US Senate swearing in, but that's just me. I'm silly that way.

So the Republican values of Christianity and God first over the Constitution, and discrimination against Muslims, reflects your values?

Please don't play the victim and race cards to me. I'm not easily manipulated into believing I'm always seen and treated as lesser, having a plight to address and be angry about. I like being happy and self-sufficient. I don't need Dimocrats to save me from the evil Republicans. Most of the discrimination in my life has been from liberals, anyway.

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So you're saying that you take care of ALL of your family members, no matter how distant in relation or geography?

You're saying that just because someone is related to you, and while you know of this person you have no communication or relationship with them,

that based purely on a blood relationship, you have a responsibility to them?

You also believe that a government official should put his family members inline in front of everyone else, or do the right thing and let the authorities deal

with someone who is out of status rather than use their influence?

Come on...you really are setting some double standards here.

Divorce a woman that stood by you in your darkest hours, and that's OK as long as she forgives you...but ignore a half-sibling in another country, that you don't even know besides their name, and that's a sin?

Please dispense with the hyprbole. I haven't used the word sin nor hinted at it.

My family does just that. My late great grandfather was a very successful, forward thinking man who was able to make sure all family members are taken care of and that charity is served. I wouldn't consider an aunt or a brother distant relatives. We are our brother's keeper.

I didn't say that Obama should break laws for his aunt, but he is a lawyer as well as a US Senator. The record shows that they were not estranged. If he did/does nothing to assist her and is now abandoning her, he is a hypocrite. It's common for any of us to write to our representatives for help and influence in our immigration cases. It's their job. What is so wrong about him seeing how he could help his aunt?

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So you're saying that you take care of ALL of your family members, no matter how distant in relation or geography?

You're saying that just because someone is related to you, and while you know of this person you have no communication or relationship with them,

that based purely on a blood relationship, you have a responsibility to them?

You also believe that a government official should put his family members inline in front of everyone else, or do the right thing and let the authorities deal

with someone who is out of status rather than use their influence?

Come on...you really are setting some double standards here.

Divorce a woman that stood by you in your darkest hours, and that's OK as long as she forgives you...but ignore a half-sibling in another country, that you don't even know besides their name, and that's a sin?

Please dispense with the hyprbole. I haven't used the word sin nor hinted at it.

My family does just that. My late great grandfather was a very successful, forward thinking man who was able to make sure all family members are taken care of and that charity is served. I wouldn't consider an aunt or a brother distant relatives. We are our brother's keeper.

I didn't say that Obama should break laws for his aunt, but he is a lawyer as well as a US Senator. The record shows that they were not estranged. If he did/does nothing to assist her and is now abandoning her, he is a hypocrite. It's common for any of us to write to our representatives for help and influence in our immigration cases. It's their job. What is so wrong about him seeing how he could help his aunt?

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So you're saying that you take care of ALL of your family members, no matter how distant in relation or geography?

You're saying that just because someone is related to you, and while you know of this person you have no communication or relationship with them,

that based purely on a blood relationship, you have a responsibility to them?

You also believe that a government official should put his family members inline in front of everyone else, or do the right thing and let the authorities deal

with someone who is out of status rather than use their influence?

Come on...you really are setting some double standards here.

Divorce a woman that stood by you in your darkest hours, and that's OK as long as she forgives you...but ignore a half-sibling in another country, that you don't even know besides their name, and that's a sin?

Please dispense with the hyprbole. I haven't used the word sin nor hinted at it.

My family does just that. My late great grandfather was a very successful, forward thinking man who was able to make sure all family members are taken care of and that charity is served. I wouldn't consider an aunt or a brother distant relatives. We are our brother's keeper.

I didn't say that Obama should break laws for his aunt, but he is a lawyer as well as a US Senator. The record shows that they were not estranged. If he did/does nothing to assist her and is now abandoning her, he is a hypocrite. It's common for any of us to write to our representatives for help and influence in our immigration cases. It's their job. What is so wrong about him seeing how he could help his aunt?

Well, I think if we took a poll, we'd find that 90% of the people here would agree that if Obama helped his aunt with her immigration situation, you and others would be equally as outraged, if not more. There is no winning when you already display your hate for the man.

Aunts and half-brothers in Africa are distant relatives...sorry you didn't get the memo.

My great grandfather was one of the hardest working men you'd ever know. Most days he worked over 18 hours. When he had to he would work 48 or even 72 hours.

He never missed a day of work. In his entire career, he didn't take a single vacation day. He was a very profitable worker, and made his employer very wealthy.

Unfortunately none of that wealth ever made it into his bank account. As a matter of fact, he didn't even have a bank account. As a matter of fact, he didn't even have shoes.

My grandfather was one of the hardest working men you'd ever know....he was a slave.

I think you know by now that I don't play the race card....and I'm not looking for any sympathy. I just threw that in so you know that I don't give a rat's azz about how successful your great grandfather was. The question is, do YOU take care of all of your blood relations, PERSONALLY, no matter how far away they are, or how much communication you've had with them in your lifetime?

I have a copy of the Qur'an at home. Please tell me where I can find what the Prophet says about judging others.

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Well, I think if we took a poll, we'd find that 90% of the people here would agree that if Obama helped his aunt with her immigration situation, you and others would be equally as outraged, if not more. There is no winning when you already display your hate for the man.

I asked before that you please stop the hyperbole. I do not hate anyone and I am not outraged. I can't imagine being outraged about this, and anyone who would think I am is not only irrelevent to me, their opinion of my state of mind would be of no significance to me. I am telling you now, as I have before, that I consider him a hypocrite for not helping his aunt. If he had helped her, I would have respected him more. That's my opinion about what I think and feel, and it's the only one that counts.

Aunts and half-brothers in Africa are distant relatives...sorry you didn't get the memo.

Africa is a big place. I've been there. It has many different cultures and relationship paradigms. It would be incorrect to say such a thing.

My great grandfather was one of the hardest working men you'd ever know. Most days he worked over 18 hours. When he had to he would work 48 or even 72 hours.

He never missed a day of work. In his entire career, he didn't take a single vacation day. He was a very profitable worker, and made his employer very wealthy.

Unfortunately none of that wealth ever made it into his bank account. As a matter of fact, he didn't even have a bank account. As a matter of fact, he didn't even have shoes.

My grandfather was one of the hardest working men you'd ever know....he was a slave.

I think you know by now that I don't play the race card....and I'm not looking for any sympathy. I just threw that in so you know that I don't give a rat's azz about how successful your great grandfather was. The question is, do YOU take care of all of your blood relations, PERSONALLY, no matter how far away they are, or how much communication you've had with them in your lifetime?

I have a large and close family, as is common among Arabs. I work for a family business, sometimes live in a family compound, and have convenient contact with lots of family members, many of whom I grew up with. Because of my grandfather's foresight, is not necessary for me to take care of them financially, but they can count on me and other family for other help they may need.

I have respectfully answered this absurd question, although it is not analygous to the issue of Obama's lack of empathy for TWO of his family members, who are in distress, and does nothing to alleviate his responsibility to them. To whom much is given, much is expected.

I have a copy of the Qur'an at home. Please tell me where I can find what the Prophet says about judging others.

The Quran does not contain the teachings of the Prophet, but those of God. Islam allows us to judge, for Allah tells us to enjoin the good and reject the bad. In order to do this, one must discern between them, and that you do by applying judgement based on the tenets of the faith.

I wish you a very good night.

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Well, we're talking about the FIRST FAMILY. The family that will represent America. I think it's kind of important that they somehow reflect our values.

You people are the ones that want to take religion to task, but have a double standard for your own agenda.

Again...you're just being silly.

What are OUR values? Obama certainly doesn't reflect mine, nor will his family represent me. I'm not all that keen on a man who neglects his impoverished brother and calls to deport an aunt he wrote lovingly of in his autobiography and invited to his US Senate swearing in, but that's just me. I'm silly that way.

So the Republican values of Christianity and God first over the Constitution, and discrimination against Muslims, reflects your values?

Please don't play the victim and race cards to me. I'm not easily manipulated into believing I'm always seen and treated as lesser, having a plight to address and be angry about. I like being happy and self-sufficient. I don't need Dimocrats to save me from the evil Republicans. Most of the discrimination in my life has been from liberals, anyway.

Weird, because the only Muslim in Congress is a Democrat, and it was a Republican who said (of Muslims being in Congress, and, well, Muslims in general):

http://www.c-ville.com/index.php?cat=14140...041812060944420

When I raise my hand to take the oath on Swearing In Day, I will have the Bible in my other hand. I do not subscribe to using the Koran in any way. The Muslim Representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district and if American citizens don’t wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran. We need to stop illegal immigration totally and reduce legal immigration and end the diversity visas policy pushed hard by President Clinton and allowing many persons from the Middle East to come to this country. I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America and to prevent our resources from being swamped.

The Ten Commandments and “In God We Trust” are on the wall in my office. A Muslim student came by the office and asked why I did not have anything on my wall about the Koran. My response was clear, “As long as I have the honor of representing the citizens of the 5th District of Virginia in the United States House of Representatives, The Koran is not going to be on the wall of my office.

Selective outrage yet again?

Edited November 3, 2008 by SRVT

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Weird, because the only Muslim in Congress is a Democrat, and it was a Republican who said (of Muslims being in Congress, and, well, Muslims in general):

http://www.c-ville.com/index.php?cat=14140...041812060944420

So? Are Muslims all the same to you, so if Keith Ellison is a **, I should be, too? Are all Republicans the same to you, so if there's one idiot in the party, he represents them all?

That stuff is trite, why do you bother?

Selective outrage yet again?

I'll let you know when outrage happens the first time.

Edited November 3, 2008 by Virtual wife

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Weird, because the only Muslim in Congress is a Democrat, and it was a Republican who said (of Muslims being in Congress, and, well, Muslims in general):

http://www.c-ville.com/index.php?cat=14140...041812060944420

So? Are Muslims all the same to you, so if Keith Ellison is a **, I should be, too? Are all Republicans the same to you, so if there's one idiot in the party, he represents them all?

That stuff is trite, why do you bother?

Selective outrage yet again?

I'll let you know when outrage happens the first time.

Your suggestion is that Democrats are the worst to Muslims. Interestingly enough, they at least elected one. Republicans mock Muslims, and of course don't care to see this country run by any Muslim. Yet, ironically, you, allegedly being a Muslim, are voting for it, and not just voting for it, slobbering all over it. I'm sure myself and lot of others will look at that and laugh at the catch 22. You, on the other hand, will just excuse it. Cuz it's just the Dimocrats faults.

Edited November 3, 2008 by SRVT

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Weird, because the only Muslim in Congress is a Democrat, and it was a Republican who said (of Muslims being in Congress, and, well, Muslims in general):

http://www.c-ville.com/index.php?cat=14140...041812060944420

So? Are Muslims all the same to you, so if Keith Ellison is a **, I should be, too? Are all Republicans the same to you, so if there's one idiot in the party, he represents them all?

That stuff is trite, why do you bother?

Selective outrage yet again?

I'll let you know when outrage happens the first time.

Your suggestion is that Democrats are the worst to Muslims. Interestingly enough, they at least elected one. Republicans mock Muslims, and of course don't care to see this country run by any Muslim. Yet, ironically, you, allegedly being a Muslim, are voting for it, and not just voting for it, slobbering all over it. I'm sure myself and lot of others will look at that and laugh at the catch 22. You, on the other hand, will just excuse it. Cuz it's just the Dimocrats faults.