CR1 and divorce

[morocco4ever 63]

I am sorry that this is happening to you, but if your goal is to come back to the US to get the divorce and marry someone else while you are here that does indeed reek of fraud. And trust me, if you get caught doing this there will be a ban. What if you truly do fall in love with a USC and some date in time, but because you were "kinda in love" once before, and tried to stay but got caught, and got banned, then what would you do? The best way to handle this is with the correct intentions and the legal way.

[Ling Ling 22]

You have missed what she said... SHE WANTS A DIVORCE so I think she understands that her marriage is not bonafide

So you're saying VJ is a divorce forum, and that's why she's here?

I'd think that IF DIVORCE IS THE GOAL, YOU GO TO A DIVORCE SITE.

IF IMMIGRATION IS THE GOAL, YOU GO TO AN IMMIGRATION SITE.

But maybe that's just my poor logic.

[payxibka 10,047]

This forum is "Effect of Major Family Changes on Immigration Benefits"... I would think divorce qualifies as a major change...

[Ling Ling 22]

This forum is "Effect of Major Family Changes on Immigration Benefits"... I would think divorce qualifies as a major change...

By the OP's own words, it was a marriage of convenience per se....not bona fide.

Hasn't started the DIVORCE yet, and is asking questions about the possibility of marrying ANOTHER USC for immigration purposes.

Yeah, sounds like she's focused on the divorce.

That's what you see, right?

This forum is NOT "Effects of Major Family Changes on Immigration FRAUD".

Edited October 31, 2008 by Ling Ling

[cdn_in_wa 1]

This forum is "Effect of Major Family Changes on Immigration Benefits"... I would think divorce qualifies as a major change...

By the OP's own words, it was a marriage of convenience per se....not bona fide.

Hasn't started the DIVORCE yet, and is asking questions about the possibility of marrying ANOTHER USC for immigration purposes.

Yeah, sounds like she's focused on the divorce.

That's what you see, right?

This forum is NOT "Effects of Major Family Changes on Immigration FRAUD".

I agree, it looks like the question might be asking for help with possible fraud, but ...

Who are we to say that the OP is not just trying to make sure that she does things the right way IN CASE she ever wants to marry another USC?

It isn't out of the realm of possibility that she just wants to be clear how this will affect any future she might have in the US.

[patita 0]

who are we to judge... i read her first post twice and i think she is trying to find out if she won't have any problems in the future!

please note that some of the members use english is their second language - i am very good example!

Sometimes the language barier is very hard to go thru for us and express ourselves!

maybe this marriage wasn't like yours or mine..because of love! but it doesnt mean that she was trying to do something shady!

it was just a begining of their relationship...HE ASKED HER for the divorce as far as I understand...and she wants to divorce too...so i dont see and problem here regarding her trying to get a GC thru her current husband!

She is asking for an advice...not for illegal marriage just to get a GC...but if she will be ever able to marry again USC without any problems!

let's focus on this problem not the fraud itself!

[diadromous mermaid 36]

As long as your current husband does not allege that the marriage was never bonafide, then any subsequent applications made to USCIS for an immigrant visa should not be impacted.

Folks, I think that alessa is simply focusing on terminating this marriage with an eye to *what* if any impact a divorce from a USC *might* have should she decide, at some point in time, to marry another USC and try to secure permanent residence. That being said, alessa, if your intent is to re-enter the USA to remain in the USA with legal status or not, for the express purpose of living here in the hope that you will meet another USC and subsequently marry, and through whom you could apply for permanent residence, then you would be misrepresenting your intentions to CBP when entering the country. Capisce?

let's say we will divorce in the US... do I have to be present?

And after all can I marry another US citizen without any problem and legalize my status there?

[morocco4ever 63]

As long as your current husband does not allege that the marriage was never bonafide, then any subsequent applications made to USCIS for an immigrant visa should not be impacted.

Folks, I think that alessa is simply focusing on terminating this marriage with an eye to *what* if any impact a divorce from a USC *might* have should she decide, at some point in time, to marry another USC and try to secure permanent residence. That being said, alessa, if your intent is to re-enter the USA to remain in the USA with legal status or not, for the express purpose of living here in the hope that you will meet another USC and subsequently marry, and through whom you could apply for permanent residence, then you would be misrepresenting your intentions to CBP when entering the country. Capisce?

let's say we will divorce in the US... do I have to be present?

And after all can I marry another US citizen without any problem and legalize my status there?

I think the part that concerns me is where she asks if she can "marry another Us citizen without any problem and legalize my status there". This statement suggests to me that her intent is to come back for the divorce, marry another while here for the divorce and stay, then legalize her without ever leaving. It sounds very premeditated.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

Well, given that we know little to nothing about how she happened to be in the USA in the first place when she and her current husband met, chose not to cohabitate since they lived in different cities etc. (me thinks she was here under either another visa type that expired) then we can't really know what she was thinking when she wrote what she did, right?

As long as your current husband does not allege that the marriage was never bonafide, then any subsequent applications made to USCIS for an immigrant visa should not be impacted.

Folks, I think that alessa is simply focusing on terminating this marriage with an eye to *what* if any impact a divorce from a USC *might* have should she decide, at some point in time, to marry another USC and try to secure permanent residence. That being said, alessa, if your intent is to re-enter the USA to remain in the USA with legal status or not, for the express purpose of living here in the hope that you will meet another USC and subsequently marry, and through whom you could apply for permanent residence, then you would be misrepresenting your intentions to CBP when entering the country. Capisce?

let's say we will divorce in the US... do I have to be present?

And after all can I marry another US citizen without any problem and legalize my status there?

I think the part that concerns me is where she asks if she can "marry another Us citizen without any problem and legalize my status there". This statement suggests to me that her intent is to come back for the divorce, marry another while here for the divorce and stay, then legalize her without ever leaving. It sounds very premeditated.

[Ling Ling 22]

In Post #5 of this thread, I asked some simple questions that still have not been answered of the OP, and certainly would have cleared up any "misconceptions".

I find it interesting that some people can read through this and see it one way, while others see the same words as meaning something entirely different.

Obviously none of us are mind readers, and only the OP knows her actual intentions. But I think it's interesting (and actually kind of good) that some of us interpret this in different ways. There are still many optimists here.

Definition of a pessimist....an experienced optimist.

[morocco4ever 63]

Definition of a pessimist....an experienced optimist.

So true.

But yes, we do all read things differently. But what I got out of the entire thread is that she "kind of" loved someone, got married so she didn't have to leave (suggests fraud). Her questions on whether or not she has to be here for the divorce, then the question as to whether or not she could marry someone here and adjust status while here is also another indication that she wants to come back and marry someone else, and it seems highly possible that she already has someone lined up. Yes this is speculation, but her questions lead directly to this speculation since her questions are so specific rather than a variation of possibilities.

There is a possibility that those of us that suspect visa fraud are wrong, which is why in my initial post I stressed the importance of doing things with the correct intentions, and the legal way. I think that advice is very valid.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

morocco4ever and others,

"Kind of" loving someone is NOT immigration fraud. Nor is marrying out of social pressure, marrying as "friends" or being in "like" or as a cultural arrangement. It is not immigration fraud, as long as immigration benefit is not the sole reason for marrying.

Definition of a pessimist....an experienced optimist.

So true.

But yes, we do all read things differently. But what I got out of the entire thread is that she "kind of" loved someone, got married so she didn't have to leave (suggests fraud). Her questions on whether or not she has to be here for the divorce, then the question as to whether or not she could marry someone here and adjust status while here is also another indication that she wants to come back and marry someone else, and it seems highly possible that she already has someone lined up. Yes this is speculation, but her questions lead directly to this speculation since her questions are so specific rather than a variation of possibilities.

There is a possibility that those of us that suspect visa fraud are wrong, which is why in my initial post I stressed the importance of doing things with the correct intentions, and the legal way. I think that advice is very valid.

[Ling Ling 22]

morocco4ever and others,

"Kind of" loving someone is NOT immigration fraud. Nor is marrying out of social pressure, marrying as "friends" or being in "like" or as a cultural arrangement. It is not immigration fraud, as long as immigration benefit is not the sole reason for marrying.

There's not much in the postings that give any indication that immigration benefits were not the sole reason.

Was there something I missed where she speaks about being hurt by this...that she will miss her husband?

One section that spoke loudly to me was...

I asked him why he was still trying to act like a real husband and file the petition for me..i heard just to help me to come back and live in California beacuse I loved it so much!!!

So let's just suppose her intent was not immigration fraud...sure sounds like that was hubbie's intention.

Or am I not reading this properly?

[cdn_in_wa 1]

I asked him why he was still trying to act like a real husband and file the petition for me..i heard just to help me to come back and live in California beacuse I loved it so much!!!

So let's just suppose her intent was not immigration fraud...sure sounds like that was hubbie's intention.

Or am I not reading this properly?

That's kind of the way I read it. That's why I posted that she might just be asking to be certain - if she is divorced from one USC - it won't affect any future chance she might have - in the event she marries another USC in the future. Motive for second marriage to USC might be fraudulent, might not.

[patita 0]

yes...but that was the husband who asked for the divorce? right? i read that this way!

i think she wants to know IF everything will be okay with her situation...sometimes life leads us to different ppl and maybe she will meet another USC and then what? if she got married cuz she was kinda in love witth her friend that was at least a good start she didnt tell us that she misses him but it doesnt mean anything! she gave us most important facts and she doesnt have to tell us about their feeling .

there are ppl who get marry just for papers with unknown ppl..they pay and thats it!!!

this would be bad!!