Need advice.. Will honesty help or hurt us?

[My Mohammed 2]

I'm confused and don't know how honest my fiance should be at his interview. I have read on VJ, the more time spent together is better proof of a true relationship. I have been to Egypt, 4 times and spent months here with my fiance. We live together as we have an Orfi.. only way for us to be together as marriage wasn't an option in, Jan, when I arrived. The Orfi of coarse isn't a legal marriage in Egypt or the U.S... nor was it filed by the attorney we used.

So, we have lived together for months at the time between my visits and I don't know how much more of a true relationship one can have. I don't have a receipt for motels as we share an apartment when i'm here. At what point if any, should he let it be known we actually live together when i'm here? The Embassy here should be well knowledgeable in the fact Orfi's do exist in, Egypt. I want them to know it's a true relationship and we have spent months together, but I don't want it to hurt us if they confuse it with we are legally married. Which we are not..

Your advice and experience with this situation if you've been through it already is appreciated. I don't know if the fact there are no hotel receipts will raise a red flag or not and if so, they will wonder where I stayed all this time.

[payxibka 10,045]

I'm confused and don't know how honest my fiance should be at his interview. I have read on VJ, the more time spent together is better proof of a true relationship. I have been to Egypt, 4 times and spent months here with my fiance. We live together as we have an Orfi.. only way for us to be together as marriage wasn't an option in, Jan, when I arrived. The Orfi of coarse isn't a legal marriage in Egypt or the U.S... nor was it filed by the attorney we used.

So, we have lived together for months at the time between my visits and I don't know how much more of a true relationship one can have. I don't have a receipt for motels as we share an apartment when i'm here. At what point if any, should he let it be known we actually live together when i'm here? The Embassy here should be well knowledgeable in the fact Orfi's do exist in, Egypt. I want them to know it's a true relationship and we have spent months together, but I don't want it to hurt us if they confuse it with we are legally married. Which we are not..

Your advice and experience with this situation if you've been through it already is appreciated. I don't know if the fact there are no hotel receipts will raise a red flag or not and if so, they will wonder where I stayed all this time.

You are correct that the local consulate understands the local culture and the associated nuances....

[KimandRuss 0]

Lying (unless it's in regards to 'inhaling' ) is never recommended.

Pay is right that they will understand the cultural circumstances, so just tell the truth.

[SunDrop 59]

I'm not sure if 'living together' under Eygptian law when not legally married would be an issue and this is why you ask the question? If so, your application for a K1 visa (fiance) is made to the US and the US embassy are the interviewees. As long as the act of 'living together' before marriage is not illegal under Egyptian law (as opposed to islamic law?) then you shouldn't have a problem. I would guess the majority of us stay in their fiance/ee's homes when visiting, so don't have hotel receipts. Also, surely you're not technically living with him if you're just visiting? Hotel receipts are proof that you've been in the country, but they want to know that you've met at this initial stage of the petition.

I'm neither muslim nor egyptian, so this reply is more a logical consideration than one based on personal experience! Any dealings with immigration should always be truthful and only giving as much information as required to satisfactorily answer their question. Again, as long as you are not breaking the civil law in egypt, then you shouldn't have any concerns.

Good luck!

[My Mohammed 2]

Lying (unless it's in regards to 'inhaling' ) is never recommended.

Pay is right that they will understand the cultural circumstances, so just tell the truth.

* Ty, Kim, and know it was never my intentions to lie, as I see no reason not to tell the truth if asked. I'm more confused as should he be asked something along the lines of.. How much time do you spend together when she's visiting you and where is this time spent? We live together and are together the entire time. Some advice I received was to NOT speak of the Orfi at all, unless he is asked.. Do you have an Orfi?

If time spent together is the most concrete evidence of a true relationship.. then should he bring that up at the interview or keep quite and them turn us down for not enough evidence? Thanks for your advice..

[MrsAmera 41]

You're not legally married in Egypt that's all that they care about. All your fiance needs to tell them is that you visited 4 times and the length of your stay. Include copies of your passport entry and exit stamps. Include plane ticket receipts/boarding passes. I visited my then fiance 4 times in Morocco and stayed with him or him and his family each time. There were no issues. Discussing the Orfi is confusing and will just add unneccesary burden to your case.

[tenderheartusa79 14]

Well there are so many couples here (from Egypt ) they are married Orfi ( and they filled for K1 the usa embassy asked some of them if they are married Orfi and they said yes we are and the CO at the usa embassy says its ok i just want to know if you are honest or not .

i asked the same question before and i ave been told its not good to say to them that we are married Orfi cause its different from a CO to another .

maybe they will misunderstand us and they will deny us .

so i really don't know what to say if they ask me that question.we didn't register that and we don't even have that Ofro certificate so if they will ask me and if i say yes and ask me to show it to them it would be a problem to .

but i think if they will ask me that question i will say no we are not . i don't want to risk about it . cause we are talking about the clean version of hell here ( USA embassy in Egypt)