Are Americans safe in Morocco?

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

Morocco is not dangerous as you understood, but I want her to live in better conditions and have a good life with me, because after she will move here, she will find another life with a different traditions and a new culture.

I love her so much and I want her to feel always safe and happy in a good place, I do care about her more than my self and she worth more. Muah to her.

Of course we all knew it's not dangerous for Americans in Morocco, so why did you tell her it was?

Why did you tell her the visa was denied because the interviewer was prejudice against Muslims?

Are you willing to have your wife live with you in Morocco and file DCF?

What makes you think she will be living in bad conditions in Morocco, that she won't be safe (you used the word, not me), or happy (again, your word)?

Finally, what makes you think your wife won't be able to adapt to - or even enjoy - living in a different culture with different traditions?

I think he is a lying little twit and he can shut the blank up as far as I am concerned. If he loved her he wouldnt want to divorce her just cause he didnt get his papers right away and hed be ok if she moved there.. I dont believe a word he says and as far as I am concerned I think the interviewer either busted him on something or caught him in something..Somethings up and I smell a rat and it aint mickey.. Liar liar pants on fire

He said all of that because he wants a plan b and waiting around for ap wasnt in his plans and he isnt motivated by love to make it work, its whatever benefits him

I love you pookie wookie my ###...

[Nutty 2]

If you truly love your wife, then you can invite her to come and live in Morroco.

Morocco is not dangerous as you understood, but I want her to live in better conditions and have a good life with me, because after she will move here, she will find another life with a different traditions and a new culture.

I love her so much and I want her to feel always safe and happy in a good place, I do care about her more than my self and she worth more. Muah to her.

I lived in Iran, with my husband.

At least you should consider that your wife is willing to live in Morroco to be with you. That is love.

Just because the conditions are DIFFERENT, does not mean that it is impossible.

[abdouandcarol 0]

Morocco is not dangerous as you understood, but I want her to live in better conditions and have a good life with me, because after she will move here, she will find another life with a different traditions and a new culture.

I love her so much and I want her to feel always safe and happy in a good place, I do care about her more than my self and she worth more. Muah to her.

Of course we all knew it's not dangerous for Americans in Morocco, so why did you tell her it was?

Why did you tell her the visa was denied because the interviewer was prejudice against Muslims?

Are you willing to have your wife live with you in Morocco and file DCF?

What makes you think she will be living in bad conditions in Morocco, that she won't be safe (you used the word, not me), or happy (again, your word)?

Finally, what makes you think your wife won't be able to adapt to - or even enjoy - living in a different culture with different traditions?

I will live with my wife in Morocco and file DCF, because I love her and want her with me .

[~Jackie~ 30]

That's a great plan if she has a co-sponser. I wish we could have done DCF, but I have to work

jJ

Edited November 5, 2008 by just_Jackie

[nunyab 0]

ohhhhh you guys the fact that he is even here says something to me...

To be honest my husband knows i served in Afganistan, been all over the world am a Muslimah, fast at languages, can teach there STILL wouldn't want me to live there. Why???? in his words "morocco broke me and I don't want it to break you" what does that mean???? I have no idea but he is a man i love and respect.

I already "tested" him he saught an apartment for us and was prepared for me to live there (Spain). To leave morocco and that area is terribly difficult because of his family ties but he loves me and truly believes to be with his wife is what our God/Allah wishes for us to do. I know there are bad people out there... I know some of us have been used and have been through some horrific experiences....

A man I deeply respect said to me "Always say Hamdolah (thank God) for good or bad there is always a reason." ~Reda (my husband)

Martini, it's your life this is just a board you and your habibi have to do what is right for you. Never forget Hamdolah either way

~Rajaa

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

ohhhhh you guys the fact that he is even here says something to me...

To be honest my husband knows i served in Afganistan, been all over the world am a Muslimah, fast at languages, can teach there STILL wouldn't want me to live there. Why???? in his words "morocco broke me and I don't want it to break you" what does that mean???? I have no idea but he is a man i love and respect.

I already "tested" him he saught an apartment for us and was prepared for me to live there (Spain). To leave morocco and that area is terribly difficult because of his family ties but he loves me and truly believes to be with his wife is what our God/Allah wishes for us to do. I know there are bad people out there... I know some of us have been used and have been through some horrific experiences....

A man I deeply respect said to me "Always say Hamdolah (thank God) for good or bad there is always a reason." ~Reda (my husband)

Martini, it's your life this is just a board you and your habibi have to do what is right for you. Never forget Hamdolah either way

~Rajaa

1.Moroccans love Morocco. Not wanting YOU to live their shows very clear ulterior motives. I live in a community with thousands of moroccans, have moroccan clients presently...this smells

read thisTberguat 21 November 2005 11:57 21 November 2005 11:57

If you see yourself you want to settle in this country and have a future here, I agree in marrying a US citizen just for green card, and suffer emotionally for couple years and secure your future..., things these days are only getting harder for the illigal immigrants, they even been called terrorists Shno? Kifash?, because the paths to legalize yourself here are so long and uncertain. If your employer want to sponsor you it will take years and years I think between 7 to 10yrs and you have to stuck with that same employer for years with low pay and sometimes no benifits. If you have a US citizen child, he has to be 21yrs old before he/she can apply for you, so the only way is marriage!!

I remember back in the early nineties, the new comers had to find the least attractive woman in the city, all the 200lbs and up were married to Moroccan men, happy with their little toys just arrived from back home (skhoun) that he tells her horror stories about what had happened to him back home and how miserable he was back in Morocco so she'll love him and feel sorry for him and do all possible way for him not to get deported, and she will never dare to think visiting Morocco with him!! They use to call the period of their marriage "passer le service millitaire" ... If they see an ugly, old fat lady (shayta 3la 7babha) she will be perfect for lwri9at.

So, the only way to build a future here and be one of the crowd, go ahead do it, the only thing is the ugly, fat, old ladies 3a9o .. Kifash a zin.. Man Shofoksh?

Berguag: 31 | Fin saken daba? Wh

[Martiniolive 0]

You do realise you are killing me with these things don't you

ohhhhh you guys the fact that he is even here says something to me...

To be honest my husband knows i served in Afganistan, been all over the world am a Muslimah, fast at languages, can teach there STILL wouldn't want me to live there. Why???? in his words "morocco broke me and I don't want it to break you" what does that mean???? I have no idea but he is a man i love and respect.

I already "tested" him he saught an apartment for us and was prepared for me to live there (Spain). To leave morocco and that area is terribly difficult because of his family ties but he loves me and truly believes to be with his wife is what our God/Allah wishes for us to do. I know there are bad people out there... I know some of us have been used and have been through some horrific experiences....

A man I deeply respect said to me "Always say Hamdolah (thank God) for good or bad there is always a reason." ~Reda (my husband)

Martini, it's your life this is just a board you and your habibi have to do what is right for you. Never forget Hamdolah either way

~Rajaa

1.Moroccans love Morocco. Not wanting YOU to live their shows very clear ulterior motives. I live in a community with thousands of moroccans, have moroccan clients presently...this smells

read thisTberguat 21 November 2005 11:57 21 November 2005 11:57

If you see yourself you want to settle in this country and have a future here, I agree in marrying a US citizen just for green card, and suffer emotionally for couple years and secure your future..., things these days are only getting harder for the illigal immigrants, they even been called terrorists Shno? Kifash?, because the paths to legalize yourself here are so long and uncertain. If your employer want to sponsor you it will take years and years I think between 7 to 10yrs and you have to stuck with that same employer for years with low pay and sometimes no benifits. If you have a US citizen child, he has to be 21yrs old before he/she can apply for you, so the only way is marriage!!

I remember back in the early nineties, the new comers had to find the least attractive woman in the city, all the 200lbs and up were married to Moroccan men, happy with their little toys just arrived from back home (skhoun) that he tells her horror stories about what had happened to him back home and how miserable he was back in Morocco so she'll love him and feel sorry for him and do all possible way for him not to get deported, and she will never dare to think visiting Morocco with him!! They use to call the period of their marriage "passer le service millitaire" ... If they see an ugly, old fat lady (shayta 3la 7babha) she will be perfect for lwri9at.

So, the only way to build a future here and be one of the crowd, go ahead do it, the only thing is the ugly, fat, old ladies 3a9o .. Kifash a zin.. Man Shofoksh?

Berguag: 31 | Fin saken daba? Wh

[nunyab 0]

thank you hanging in there... I am older as well as martini we are both attractive and neither fat. But I appreciate your help in trying to "open" my eyes. I could be making a terrible mistake, I could have chosen a terrible man who is using me and my family to gain entry to our wonderful country.... then he leaves me 2 yrs or so later? Ok then the way I look at it as terrible as it will be on me and my family in the end i will have helped someone and when it is time for me to answer to Allah I will have the good on my side where as my husband will have a lot of splainin to do.

I don't know if you know but I've been used before in a marriage and it was an American man! So in case you are wrong, and my husband may acutally love me, may actually want a future with me. All of the time and worry and money invested in brining him here will be greatly worth it! Is it a gamble?? perhaps stakes are high, he is not jumping on the next plane to be with me but going home to say good bye to his family and wishes me there when it is time.

I have many friends here with husbands from morocco, egypt, kuwait, pakistan, palistine they were sponsered and have been happily married (granted the adjustment for some difficult) some just 2 yrs some 10 and the husbands that were sponsered rever and respect the things their wives did for them, the fighting they did and the love they had for their wives full.

Do I worry my husband is using me?? Nope, cause if i did what kind of marriage would I be in? If he leaves, IF it doesn't work for whatever reason I will survive (as I did before). I am not sure if i am making sense but I think you so much for your help, my husband and i will purchase an appartment in casa so when we visit we have a home and we are planing when the kids are old enough to move to Spain perhaps in 5 yrs. No weird smelling here just love

[Nita&Assaad 0]

Well Said Rajaa!!!

thank you hanging in there... I am older as well as martini we are both attractive and neither fat. But I appreciate your help in trying to "open" my eyes. I could be making a terrible mistake, I could have chosen a terrible man who is using me and my family to gain entry to our wonderful country.... then he leaves me 2 yrs or so later? Ok then the way I look at it as terrible as it will be on me and my family in the end i will have helped someone and when it is time for me to answer to Allah I will have the good on my side where as my husband will have a lot of splainin to do.

I don't know if you know but I've been used before in a marriage and it was an American man! So in case you are wrong, and my husband may acutally love me, may actually want a future with me. All of the time and worry and money invested in brining him here will be greatly worth it! Is it a gamble?? perhaps stakes are high, he is not jumping on the next plane to be with me but going home to say good bye to his family and wishes me there when it is time.

I have many friends here with husbands from morocco, egypt, kuwait, pakistan, palistine they were sponsered and have been happily married (granted the adjustment for some difficult) some just 2 yrs some 10 and the husbands that were sponsered rever and respect the things their wives did for them, the fighting they did and the love they had for their wives full.

Do I worry my husband is using me?? Nope, cause if i did what kind of marriage would I be in? If he leaves, IF it doesn't work for whatever reason I will survive (as I did before). I am not sure if i am making sense but I think you so much for your help, my husband and i will purchase an appartment in casa so when we visit we have a home and we are planing when the kids are old enough to move to Spain perhaps in 5 yrs. No weird smelling here just love

[sussemadel 16]

I think just because Hanginginthere is upset that she was maybe used for a greencard doesn't mean she should then try to invoke fear in MartiniOlive and her husband's lives and let them live and love each other and figure this out. But dont try to assume that he is using her just because he doesn't want her there.

Don't worry Rajaa you wrote it and conveyed your feelings very well

Let's support MartiniOlive and not tell her he's using her!!!

[livelong_prosper 0]

I think just because Hanginginthere is upset that she was maybe used for a greencard doesn't mean she should then try to invoke fear in MartiniOlive and her husband's lives and let them live and love each other and figure this out. But dont try to assume that he is using her just because he doesn't want her there.

Don't worry Rajaa you wrote it and conveyed your feelings very well

Let's support MartiniOlive and not tell her he's using her!!!

I agree with the above statement.

Let's not put all the eggs in one basket.

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

I think just because Hanginginthere is upset that she was maybe used for a greencard doesn't mean she should then try to invoke fear in MartiniOlive and her husband's lives and let them live and love each other and figure this out. But dont try to assume that he is using her just because he doesn't want her there.

Don't worry Rajaa you wrote it and conveyed your feelings very well

Let's support MartiniOlive and not tell her he's using her!!!

First,

You need to read her posts and then take yourself out of the situation. There is a huge difference between conjecture and reality. She has a husband that due to the fact that he was not approved for a visa, is willing to throw in the towel. He then told her Morocco is not a safe place to live and then he messaged her things like I love you leaving her in an emotional lurch.

Lets start by looking at the big picture. Martiniolive is an absolutely gorgeous woman and deserves much better than what she is getting...

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

I think just because Hanginginthere is upset that she was maybe used for a greencard doesn't mean she should then try to invoke fear in MartiniOlive and her husband's lives and let them live and love each other and figure this out. But dont try to assume that he is using her just because he doesn't want her there.

Don't worry Rajaa you wrote it and conveyed your feelings very well

Let's support MartiniOlive and not tell her he's using her!!!

First,

You need to read her posts and then take yourself out of the situation. There is a huge difference between conjecture and reality. She has a husband that due to the fact that he was not approved for a visa, is willing to throw in the towel. He then told her Morocco is not a safe place to live and then he messaged her things like I love you leaving her in an emotional lurch.

Lets start by looking at the big picture. Martiniolive is an absolutely gorgeous woman and deserves much better than what she is getting...

And after everything I have seen over the years, I dont think that all are in danger or am warning against everything.. Its just very suspicious that he shows no interest in waiting out a tough ap with her. Love waits, It fights,, it suffers through bad things and it overcomes. It loves all the way to the end, to the grave. It walks through birth defects, tragedy, loss, death. It overcomes. Its not immature ,petty and self serving. Its never ending. She deserves someone who will stand in the rain waiting for her, not leave when things dont go just the way they are planned. Love doesnt leave when things get tough. It stays.. it endures

Please listen.. I know.. Yes I know what love is.. Please believe me

[morocco4ever 63]

Sometimes a person lets go of another out of a deep love and concern for their best interest. I don't know if that is the case here, but a love that can let go, even when it is killing themselves inside, is deeper than one can comprehend. Love isn't about me me me.

[Martiniolive 0]

Hanging in there:) thanks for your concern and sweet words. I really do appreciate your energy and passion. It is easy for me to misunderstand my husband from so far away especially when he sometimes uses the wrong english words to explain his thoughts. He did not mean Morocco was "dangerous" he meant "difficult or hard". He only wants the best life for me (with him) and does not see that happening in morocco. He is very protective of me and also I do not know much darija and I must become fluent in it before I can live there. He was not wanting to divorce me but I "assumed" that because he ignored my very harsh frustrated text messages and emails that he was accepting that possibility when it was my "assumtion" I should not have posted on the forums until more time had passed and I was calmed down. I was far too emotional! I learned a harsh lesson and am so sorry that my fears and assumptions have "pushed some bad buttons" and injured my husbands reputation and intentions. He is a good man I am not one to dawn rose colored glasses or I would not have vented in the first place. I am guilty of jumping to conclusions! And I appologise to my husband and anyone else. He loves me. He wants to keep me forever and will live in morocco with me if i promise to learn darija. But I no longer want to live in morocco after weighing all the pro's and con's of that idea. We will wait for his visa approval. I will not air our personal and private life on any forum ever again. We will not divorce ever!!!! We will grow old and wrinkly somewhere on this blasted planet married to each other and with any luck at all...we will become better people because of it.