Now the truth (starts to) comes out on Obama

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His campaign has run from the label of wanting to "redistribute wealth".

Is Obama really a socialist leaning kinda guy?

Listen to another unearthed recording of Obama discussing...not "if" we should have been redistributing the wealth.. but how to go about it.... in a radio interview.

In fact he calls it a TRAGEDY THAT 'REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH' NOT PURSUED BY SUPREME COURT .

I have always said, Obama is a nice guy but way to liberal for me.

Danno, read here on Reagan's tax policies and you'll realize that your argument that Obama's tax proposal is socialism is silly. The truth is in the facts right there.

Example: On the Earned Income Tax Credit: Ronald Reagan heralded it as "the best anti-poverty, the best pro-family, the best job creation measure to come out of Congress."

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You have to laugh at the people who think up of these pics.

While I may laugh at them I seriously ponder ####### is up with those that believe that sh!t.

You guys have forced religion out of the schools so people have become intolerant and scared of others beliefs. Whereas in Aus, for example, the schools embrace and celebrate diversity and different mainstream religions so people are less likely to be as intolerant.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Education in this case is the key. Like it or not we are all in this one world together. So we either make the most of it or kill each other.

What 'you guys'?

But you're right about one thing- I imagine you haven't completely considered that we've had an imposition of religious views even to this day through the attempt of subverting education with doctrine of one particular flavor by religious fanatics. To be honest I would love for public schools to have a curriculum that actually taught world religions consistently instead of forcing moments of prayer and played to some sensibilities about over-celebrating one religion over another- which is what I got to see as an actual teacher not too long ago.

[AlHayatZween 2]

What 'you guys'?

But you're right about one thing- I imagine you haven't completely considered that we've had an imposition of religious views even to this day through the attempt of subverting education with doctrine of one particular flavor by religious fanatics. To be honest I would love for public schools to have a curriculum that actually taught world religions consistently instead of forcing moments of prayer and played to some sensibilities about over-celebrating one religion over another- which is what I got to see as an actual teacher not too long ago.

i agree HAL, i was a World English teacher in the Bronx for years, and we always worked in discussions about different religions... via mythology, folklore, world history and how it impacts literature... i would imagine a lot of other teachers are doing the same... You can teach about religion without actually teaching religion... and i think that's a good thing...

but perhaps i'm just a subversive?

[Heracles 417]

What 'you guys'?

But you're right about one thing- I imagine you haven't completely considered that we've had an imposition of religious views even to this day through the attempt of subverting education with doctrine of one particular flavor by religious fanatics. To be honest I would love for public schools to have a curriculum that actually taught world religions consistently instead of forcing moments of prayer and played to some sensibilities about over-celebrating one religion over another- which is what I got to see as an actual teacher not too long ago.

I see the opposite. I see the constant push of atheism, which is a belief in itself. From the number of teachers I know they are basically not allowed to celebrate anything Christian for example any more. Whereas you find me how many other countries around the world have this sort of attitude towards education. If it is Christmas, they celebrate Christmas; as the celebrate other pagan traditions such as Halloween. If it is Ramadan they celebrate with the Muslim students and other are welcome to join the festivities and so forth. This is what multiculturalism and diversity is all about. You should travel to places like Australia and see it in action some time.

I will never agree with a system which seeks to silence and suppress the peaceful beliefs of others. And then has the audacity to call this diversity and freedom. The history of America's fascination with separation of church and state is, as your pal SVRT would call it, EPIC FAIL.

Edited October 27, 2008 by Aficionado

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What 'you guys'?

But you're right about one thing- I imagine you haven't completely considered that we've had an imposition of religious views even to this day through the attempt of subverting education with doctrine of one particular flavor by religious fanatics. To be honest I would love for public schools to have a curriculum that actually taught world religions consistently instead of forcing moments of prayer and played to some sensibilities about over-celebrating one religion over another- which is what I got to see as an actual teacher not too long ago.

i agree HAL, i was a World English teacher in the Bronx for years, and we always worked in discussions about different religions... via mythology, folklore, world history and how it impacts literature... i would imagine a lot of other teachers are doing the same... You can teach about religion without actually teaching religion... and i think that's a good thing...

but perhaps i'm just a subversive?

You were educating with facts. COMMUNIST!

[Heracles 417]

You were educating with facts. COMMUNIST!

Actually communist were religiously and fanatically determined to suppress and get rid of any religion. As was Hitler. Hmm does ring a bell now that I think of it.

Edited October 27, 2008 by Aficionado

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Go Obama 2008!!

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What 'you guys'?

But you're right about one thing- I imagine you haven't completely considered that we've had an imposition of religious views even to this day through the attempt of subverting education with doctrine of one particular flavor by religious fanatics. To be honest I would love for public schools to have a curriculum that actually taught world religions consistently instead of forcing moments of prayer and played to some sensibilities about over-celebrating one religion over another- which is what I got to see as an actual teacher not too long ago.

I see the opposite. I see the constant push of atheism, which is a belief in itself. From the number of teachers I know they are basically not allowed to celebrate anything Christian for example any more. Whereas you find me how many other countries around the world have this sort of attitude towards education. If it is Christmas, they celebrate Christmas; as the celebrate other pagan traditions such as Halloween. If it is Ramadan they celebrate with the Muslim students and other are welcome to join the festivities and so forth. This is what multiculturalism and diversity is all about. You should travel to places like Australia and see it in action some time.

I will never agree with a system which seeks to silence and suppress the peaceful beliefs of others. And then has the audacity to call this diversity and freedom. The history of America's fascination with separation of church and state is, as your pal SVRT would call it, EPIC FAIL.

Well, I don't see an encroachment by atheism. And I am religious.

Perhaps you can ask your teacher associates who objects to Christian celebrations. When I look at that, those that self-identify as atheists merely pulled their kids out of any school-sanctioned activities. Most parents would care less.

Now those parents that raised objections to the celebration of particular religious holidays did so out of fear of indoctrination of religious doctrine of their children. Parents that subscribed to differing religious views. Not atheists.

Kind of silly since most public school curricula do not have in place religious teaching as a method of indoctrination. But certain sectors of society who hold firm religious beliefs seem to think that their religious doctrine is the one of choice to impose on the rest of society. Which is why we have laws to separate church and state.

You were educating with facts. COMMUNIST!

Actually communist were religiously and fanatically determined to suppress and get rid of any religion. As was Hitler. Hmm does ring a bell now that I think of it.

No, those would be totalitarian and authoritarian regimes. Communists deal with economics.

Go Obama 2008!!

woot!

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having celebrations for every religions major holidays would have been awesome in school. Let's get off work for them too!!! YAY! I heart multi-culturism! Though I do think that teaching world religions should be lower on the totem of what should be taught. We are cutting out recess and gym classes getting kids fatter. I'd rather have a healthy kid that doesn't know squat about hinduism than a fat unhealthy kid that knows all religions. When there's time, go ahead and add it, but it shouldn't be a priority.

Edited October 27, 2008 by msu17

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You were educating with facts. COMMUNIST!

Hehe...

well, to be fair, i do have some acquaintances who are teaching in public schools and they are not allowed to mention religion or politics at all for fear of overbearing complaints by parents and administration...

but i'm glad i never had to work in any those schools!!!

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I have always said, Obama is a nice guy but way to liberal for me.

Don't vote for him then. OK, next?

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having celebrations for every religions major holidays would have been awesome in school. Let's get off work for them too!!! YAY! I heart multi-culturism! Though I do think that teaching world religions should be lower on the totem of what should be taught. We are cutting out recess and gym classes getting kids fatter. I'd rather have a healthy kid that doesn't know squat about hinduism than a fat unhealthy kid that knows all religions. When there's time, go ahead and add it, but it shouldn't be a priority.

If the multi-religious celebrations involved food... then yes by all Gods YES!!!!!

Multi-cultural celebrations... now there was one reason by itself to have served as a teacher...

having celebrations for every religions major holidays would have been awesome in school. Let's get off work for them too!!! YAY! I heart multi-culturism! Though I do think that teaching world religions should be lower on the totem of what should be taught. We are cutting out recess and gym classes getting kids fatter. I'd rather have a healthy kid that doesn't know squat about hinduism than a fat unhealthy kid that knows all religions. When there's time, go ahead and add it, but it shouldn't be a priority.

We should just get rid of most vending machines on campuses. That is an imposition that we could all benefit from.

[AlHayatZween 2]

having celebrations for every religions major holidays would have been awesome in school. Let's get off work for them too!!! YAY! I heart multi-culturism! Though I do think that teaching world religions should be lower on the totem of what should be taught. We are cutting out recess and gym classes getting kids fatter. I'd rather have a healthy kid that doesn't know squat about hinduism than a fat unhealthy kid that knows all religions. When there's time, go ahead and add it, but it shouldn't be a priority.

yes! and i fully agree about phys-ed and recess...

there are ways to integrate multi-culturalism and religion and diversity into the curriculums... without cutting out anything else... (well, i least, i believe there is a way to do it...) but so many schools are still using outdated books, outdated curriculums, and outdated teaching methods...

i vote for a full-particle system overhaul...

and more days off.

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You were educating with facts. COMMUNIST!

Hehe...

well, to be fair, i do have some acquaintances who are teaching in public schools and they are not allowed to mention religion or politics at all for fear of overbearing complaints by parents and administration...

but i'm glad i never had to work in any those schools!!!

Yeah...

which is why the curriculum needs to be properly explained to parents.

Anything else probably doesn't fit in the classroom anyway.

having celebrations for every religions major holidays would have been awesome in school. Let's get off work for them too!!! YAY! I heart multi-culturism! Though I do think that teaching world religions should be lower on the totem of what should be taught. We are cutting out recess and gym classes getting kids fatter. I'd rather have a healthy kid that doesn't know squat about hinduism than a fat unhealthy kid that knows all religions. When there's time, go ahead and add it, but it shouldn't be a priority.

yes! and i fully agree about phys-ed and recess...

there are ways to integrate multi-culturalism and religion and diversity into the curriculums... without cutting out anything else... (well, i least, i believe there is a way to do it...) but so many schools are still using outdated books, outdated curriculums, and outdated teaching methods...

i vote for a full-particle system overhaul...

and more days off.

Less silly administrative staff development and more valuable instructional development. Including critical thinking training.

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Perhaps you can ask your teacher associates who objects to Christian celebrations. When I look at that, those that self-identify as atheists merely pulled their kids out of any school-sanctioned activities. Most parents would care less.

Now those parents that raised objections to the celebration of particular religious holidays did so out of fear of indoctrination of religious doctrine of their children. Parents that subscribed to differing religious views. Not atheists.

Kind of silly since most public school curricula do not have in place religious teaching as a method of indoctrination. But certain sectors of society who hold firm religious beliefs seem to think that their religious doctrine is the one of choice to impose on the rest of society. Which is why we have laws to separate church and state.

It is called inclusion and teaching kids to be tolerant of others beliefs and differences. Indoctrination is far fetched and simply paranoid propaganda. Like the government is out to get me because of the Patriot Act. If America was the highest ranked country in terms of living standards and so forth I would say fair enough. You guys are right the rest of the world is wrong. But you guys are not. Far from it actually. So one has to look at the American society, system of government and constitution and then compare it to those who are kicking ### and ask what is the difference. The difference is quite clear. Tolerance, Morality and civility have gone out the window here. As has looking out for one another. This has been replaced with the I am not going to be like my parents f--k em! attitude. Do as one pleases, live for the moment, #### your way to the top, spend your way to happiness, kill or be killed 3rd world behavior.

Look at the streets of Chicago. Is this Sudan where murders are so common that people don't even bother calling the cops? Clearly another Epic Fail. Thanks for the saying SVRT..

Edited October 27, 2008 by Aficionado