Ashley Todd Confesses to Lying about Attack

[one...two...tree 2,762]

More fool the media for getting suckered in. She may be a campaign worker but she no more represents the GOP than those freaks who attempted to disrupt Palin's motorcade represent Obama's campaign or any of the other fruit loop stories we have heard that seemingly characterise one side or the other.

Whoever she is, she is not mainstream and her idiotic behaviour should have no impact on the McCain campaign. Sorry, I am not playing this game for either side.

She most likely acted alone, but if she corroborated with other campaign volunteers, this is going to get ugly.

If, if? Don't give me 'if this then that's' just to create a climate of suspicion. Knock it on the head for being the idiocy at the fringes that it is and should remain. If other campaign volunteers are involved it still makes this nothing but loony tune stuff.

You can't shout 'wolf' just because it suits you.

LOL...I'm not shouting 'wolf' - merely stating what I think. Take a deep breath and relax.

[Peikko 1,575]

Don't do the 'you're all hot and bothered' number on me Jabberwocky. I am perfectly relaxed, I am not a hater (thank you Metta for that info re women). I simply don't do consiperacy theories. I don't do them when someone comes along and suggests Barack Obama is somehow imlicated in the wacko stories about his supporters and I don't do them when someone comes along and suggests McCain is somehow implicated in wacko stories about his supporters. It's really very simple, these things create a storm but are just a bunch of bs and should be called out as exactly that.

[Ling Ling 22]

The fact of her acting alone or with others does not negate the fact that her actions were politically motivated.

The fact of her relationship to the GOP does not make her a representative of the campaign, but it does not negate the fact that her actions were politically motivated, IN FAVOR OF her candidate.

Let's not bring up other incidents for comparison, let's stay on topic and look at this topic.

In that the McCain campaign looked to benefit from what they believed to be a vicious attack against one of their supporters,

they should accept any fallout from what has been a vicious attack BY one of their supporters.

Bottom line, the woman and the country need help.

To suggest...no, to insist, that her motivations had nothing to do with the campaign, is further evidence that our country needs help.

[Alex+R 0]

Don't do the 'you're all hot and bothered' number on me Jabberwocky. I am perfectly relaxed, I am not a hater (thank you Metta for that info re women). I simply don't do consiperacy theories. I don't do them when someone comes along and suggests Barack Obama is somehow imlicated in the wacko stories about his supporters and I don't do them when someone comes along and suggests McCain is somehow implicated in wacko stories about his supporters. It's really very simple, these things create a storm but are just a bunch of bs and should be called out as exactly that.

You're right that it's not a conspiracy -- only because if it were, it never would have come out that it was a hoax. The idea that there aren't any conspiracies is a lil bit silly, tho!

[Peikko 1,575]

No, let us exactly make comparisons because that is precisely my point. You may well mean political in the 'her personal political agenda' whatever that may be (and it certainly isn't to get elected any time soon!) but most people reading these things 'assume' that if she's a campaign worker, and you mention a political agenda that this is somehow 'normal' for the GOP (exactly the same as when it's a campaign worker for the Obama campaign it somehow becomes normal for the Dems). That is pure BS.

She's an idiot, and she's not representative of the norm. That's what this is about, how close the the McCain campaign is to this kind of thing, and that's what I am calling BS because it's not close. To go on and on about how this says something about the GOP, in the same way as these stupid stunts say something about the Dems is divisive and ridiculous and nothing about this country will change until everyone recongnizes this to be true.

It may be silly, but I believe that the majority of the time, the simple explanation is the true one.

Edited October 24, 2008 by Madame Cleo

[NickD 203]

No, let us exactly make comparisons because that is precisely my point. You may well mean political in the 'her personal political agenda' whatever that may be (and it certainly isn't to get elected any time soon!) but most people reading these things 'assume' that if she's a campaign worker, and you mention a political agenda that this is somehow 'normal' for the GOP (exactly the same as when it's a campaign worker for the Obama campaign it somehow becomes normal for the Dems). That is pure BS.

She's an idiot, and she's not representative of the norm. That's what this is about, how close the the McCain campaign is to this kind of thing, and that's what I am calling BS because it's not close. To go on and on about how this says something about the GOP, in the same way as these stupid stunts say something about the Dems is divisive and ridiculous and nothing about this country will change until everyone recongnizes this to be true.

It may be silly, but I believe that the majority of the time, the simple explanation is the true one.

So is Joe the plumber. But just in case, and especially if you are a woman, if you have a Vote for McCain bumper sticker on your vehicle, remove it! Feel that guy in Florida is yet another phony.

Publicans are sure ringing my phone lately, private name, private number with some of the craziest BS I have heard in some time in prerecorded messages, also filling my mailbox with BS, have to sanitize that after the election. If I had any thoughts of voting for McCain, they are doing a very good job of taking those thoughts away.

[Peikko 1,575]

No, let us exactly make comparisons because that is precisely my point. You may well mean political in the 'her personal political agenda' whatever that may be (and it certainly isn't to get elected any time soon!) but most people reading these things 'assume' that if she's a campaign worker, and you mention a political agenda that this is somehow 'normal' for the GOP (exactly the same as when it's a campaign worker for the Obama campaign it somehow becomes normal for the Dems). That is pure BS.

She's an idiot, and she's not representative of the norm. That's what this is about, how close the the McCain campaign is to this kind of thing, and that's what I am calling BS because it's not close. To go on and on about how this says something about the GOP, in the same way as these stupid stunts say something about the Dems is divisive and ridiculous and nothing about this country will change until everyone recongnizes this to be true.

It may be silly, but I believe that the majority of the time, the simple explanation is the true one.

So is Joe the plumber. But just in case, and especially if you are a woman, if you have a Vote for McCain bumper sticker on your vehicle, remove it! Feel that guy in Florida is yet another phony.

Publicans are sure ringing my phone lately, private name, private number with some of the craziest BS I have heard in some time in prerecorded messages, also filling my mailbox with BS, have to sanitize that after the election. If I had any thoughts of voting for McCain, they are doing a very good job of taking those thoughts away.

Perfectly legitimate point, but not one that relates to this story.

[Ling Ling 22]

I don't believe I've ever said that it was in any way normal, or that it was typical of the GOP.

I don't believe I've ever said that she was part of a conspiracy.

I agree with you that there are good and evil people that support each candidate.

I agree that what she did was not the act of a sane person.

However, I feel very strong in saying that her lone, insane act was one in which there was an obvious desire

to, through sympathy and outrage, gain an advantage for her chosen political candidate.

She made up a very elaborate hoax, she took her pictures and story to the press.

Her actions were no more about $60 dollars, than saying people who snort drugs are trying to clear their sinus paths.

EACH campaign has it's share of passionate supporters, who may do the wrong thing for what they perceive as the right reason.

Taking count of which campaign has the most looneys is unimportant. It only takes one to cause a tragedy.

Denying that there are insane people, on each side, who do insane things to help their candidate is pure BS.

[NickD 203]

No, let us exactly make comparisons because that is precisely my point. You may well mean political in the 'her personal political agenda' whatever that may be (and it certainly isn't to get elected any time soon!) but most people reading these things 'assume' that if she's a campaign worker, and you mention a political agenda that this is somehow 'normal' for the GOP (exactly the same as when it's a campaign worker for the Obama campaign it somehow becomes normal for the Dems). That is pure BS.

She's an idiot, and she's not representative of the norm. That's what this is about, how close the the McCain campaign is to this kind of thing, and that's what I am calling BS because it's not close. To go on and on about how this says something about the GOP, in the same way as these stupid stunts say something about the Dems is divisive and ridiculous and nothing about this country will change until everyone recongnizes this to be true.

It may be silly, but I believe that the majority of the time, the simple explanation is the true one.

So is Joe the plumber. But just in case, and especially if you are a woman, if you have a Vote for McCain bumper sticker on your vehicle, remove it! Feel that guy in Florida is yet another phony.

Publicans are sure ringing my phone lately, private name, private number with some of the craziest BS I have heard in some time in prerecorded messages, also filling my mailbox with BS, have to sanitize that after the election. If I had any thoughts of voting for McCain, they are doing a very good job of taking those thoughts away.

Perfectly legitimate point, but not one that relates to this story.

Same old story, not giving any positive attributes about McCain, but all negative things about Obama

[Danno 1,228]

Beat to the punch!

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=158355

Wow! Lying comes soooo easily to these God-fearing Christians, doesn't it?

Actually with her obvious need to be a "victim"... I was surprised she was not on Team-Obama.

Where did you read about her religious affiliation?

Maybe she was a Jew, angling for a law suite?

(trying to match your stupidity)

nice typical right wing spin.. just like i said earlier. please give us examples of "victims" that support obama and go on an enormous media campaign.. in a negative light.. please. please answer with a real answer and examples rather than a spin.. please.... PLEASE>

cmon danno.

C'mon what... do I really need to state the obvious?

First of all I never said anything about victims going on a media campaign, I said something like

"The woman obviously has a need to be a victim, I'm surprised she did not see out the democratic campaign as a home.

It's no secret that any person or group who feels victimized in anyway and feels the govt should remedy there imperfect life run to the govt and the Party of victims.

Are we not right now in the midst of the blow-up of one such situations.

Poor people claim they have a right to a house, the Dems agree and by law force the normal laws of approving loans to be waved. More and more of these loans are made... and why not the GOV. is backing them!

Eventually the unthinkable happens Freddie and fanny collapse, in part to this practice.

But it's deeper than just this, we have only seen the Tip of the fall out.

These neighborhoods where people thought they were getting the "american dream" are now watching their Neighborhood sink into a suburban=hell hole as houses fall into foreclosure.

We see another example of this today in the news.

http://www.wbtv.com

Go to the vid section and see the story about the Father gunned down in front of his 6 yr old daughter, before they could get out of this new style suburban slum.

Poor guy just trying to live a peaceful life with his family.

This is what you call a real victim!

[Peikko 1,575]

I don't think I denied that their are insane people that do things to help their candidate. I am just not certain that this was in fact this person's motivation - I don't know enough about it to make that judgement, and nor do you. It may be, it may not be.

However, my bigger point is, that this kind of thing 9999 times out of 1000 turns out to be of far less importance than the media trumps it up to be. The insane thing about this case is that the media trumped it up for being somehow insightful about the supporters of one side, and are now trying to trump it up to be insightful about the supporters of the other side. The reality is it's not insightful about the supporters of either campaign and if the media hadn't jumped, and we in our turn stopped to think a little about the media is trying to achieve, none of us would pay much heed to the little upstart so the attention she craved would have been denied her. Wouldn't that have been a good thing?

Beat to the punch!

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=158355

Wow! Lying comes soooo easily to these God-fearing Christians, doesn't it?

Actually with her obvious need to be a "victim"... I was surprised she was not on Team-Obama.

Where did you read about her religious affiliation?

Maybe she was a Jew, angling for a law suite?

(trying to match your stupidity)

nice typical right wing spin.. just like i said earlier. please give us examples of "victims" that support obama and go on an enormous media campaign.. in a negative light.. please. please answer with a real answer and examples rather than a spin.. please.... PLEASE>

cmon danno.

C'mon what... do I really need to state the obvious?

First of all I never said anything about victims going on a media campaign, I said something like

"The woman obviously has a need to be a victim, I'm surprised she did not see out the democratic campaign as a home.

It's no secret that any person or group who feels victimized in anyway and feels the govt should remedy there imperfect life run to the govt and the Party of victims.

Are we not right now in the midst of the blow-up of one such situations.

Poor people claim they have a right to a house, the Dems agree and by law force the normal laws of approving loans to be waved. More and more of these loans are made... and why not the GOV. is backing them!

Eventually the unthinkable happens Freddie and fanny collapse, in part to this practice.

But it's deeper than just this, we have only seen the Tip of the fall out.

These neighborhoods where people thought they were getting the "american dream" are now watching their Neighborhood sink into a suburban=hell hole as houses fall into foreclosure.

We see another example of this today in the news.

http://www.wbtv.com

Go to the vid section and see the story about the Father gunned down in front of his 6 yr old daughter, before they could get out of this new style suburban slum.

Poor guy just trying to live a peaceful life with his family.

This is what you call a real victim!

Oh, good grief, more logic from anul sex = homosexuality!

[Danno 1,228]

I don't think I denied that their are insane people that do things to help their candidate. I am just not certain that this was in fact this person's motivation - I don't know enough about it to make that judgement, and nor do you. It may be, it may not be.

Oh, good grief, more logic from anul sex = homosexuality!

You sure have a fixation on all things gay.

Did you ever come up with that clip?..... Nahhh didn't think so.

[Ling Ling 22]

YOU'RE the one with the crystal ball

No...neither of us can do more than speculate (or choose not to)...but you appear to speculate that her motivation was NOT political.

I have firmly stated the basis for my speculation on her motive....I'm waiting for you to give the basis for your opposition.

As to the media, they are only doing their job. While it would be great to think that their job is to inform, the reality is...their job is to entertain, to create

sensational stories so their advertisers will be able to make impressions to consumers. If the media happens to accurately convey some sort of

newsworthy content, that is a byproduct, not the goal of their management, company and investors.

Those who control them consider sensational headlines and increased viewership, instead of accurate unbiased stories as a sign of success.

My cynicism does not intend to detract from the thousands of great journalists who selflessly risk their lives and have goals of delivering

timely and accurate news without bias. However, the goals of the journalist and the goals of the media are often quite disparate.

Having read some of your posts in the past, I believe you to be an intelligent and sensible person, that said, perhaps we should just agree to disagree on this topic....the weekend awaits.

[britty 1]

Come on guys, let's not get all OTT about this. There are always going to be whackjobs. We have no idea what Ms Todd's motivation was by suggesting that the McCain sticker inspired violence.

Ehhhh, I have to respectfully disagree. We DO have some ideas as to her motivation...just not exactly.

Her motivations were most likely a combination of SOME of the following...David Letterman style...

The top 10 possible reasons Ashley Todd Faked her Attack:

10. Get attention

9. Be a whackjob

8. Meet McCain & Palin

7. Do harm to the Obama campaign

6. Increase number of friends on MySpace

5. Go on talk shows as an overnight celebrity (see #10)

4. Become a martyr and symbol of hope for the McCain campaign.

3. Just something really evil to do before Halloween.

2. Wanted to start a gang of people with backwards "B"s on their face.

And the number one possible reason Ashley Todd Faked her Attack:

1. She was rejected as the replacement for Obama Girl.

I would put number 1

"Lend credibility to an otherwise extremely flimsy story about stolen cash."

That's just my opinion of course. I don't really believe most of the political agenda side though and it is definitely OTT to go all 'it's racially motivated'. That's just way down the the scale of possibities.

Well, I didn't put the race card on my list...but since you've brought it up again....

Let's not be naive, she didn't say she was assaulted by a white man or "possibly a Hispanic or African American".

She was very specific, and went to great lengths (self inflicted injury) to perpetrate being attacked by a Black Obama supporter with great eye vision.

If she'd said it was some dark attacker or someone she couldn't make out, who saw her Subaru and said "I'm going to make you suffer you yuppie scum" then perhaps we could say "racial motivation was way down". Given the nature of the evidence, I'd say we can't rule it out, and that it has it's place in speculation, substantially high on the scale.

We really are in financial dire straits in this country when a Subaru now qualifies its owner as a yuppie. You normally see a hippy driving a Subaru so generally the driver will be a Dem ... and yes I await a full blown attack

[Ling Ling 22]

We really are in financial dire straits in this country when a Subaru now qualifies its owner as a yuppie. You normally see a hippy driving a Subaru so generally the driver will be a Dem ... and yes I await a full blown attack

No need for an attack...THAT's funny