Third K1 Visa

[toma1 10]

My god! This is the most rational and accurate post ever posted on this thread. Amen to everything thatw as said. I know that my main mistake was trying to marry 18 and 19 yr old ladies. Ive since learned that girls that age are very flaky

I've dated a lot of women under 25--American AND Asian--and found the same thing. I finally drew the line at 30 and never looked back. I don't think the Americans in that age group were necessarily dating me for money, but I do suspect that it was because of my job.

[steve55 0]

So obviously an ugly man with a moderate to low income will have to go to a 3rd world country where his income will look far more attractive to the local beauties. Steve just doesn't seem to get that the beautiful women he is courting still have their standards but those standards are based upon 3rd world economics where he will stand a better chance rather than 1st world economics where he doesn't.

First of all, I am not ugly, balding , or overweight as people are starting to assume. Gosh, Im going to have to put back my real photo (full bodt shot) so people here will get that part straight.

Secondly, the issue is not that thin beautiful ladies wont go for me as you seem to be implying. The issue is that here in the US, I cant hardly find any thin ladies!! If I could just meet more thin ladies in my social outings, the odds of meeting the right one would go way up. And lastly, you are missing the point that even if I do find a non overweight woman, the odds of finding one who isnt focused on a man's wallet are still somewhat slim.

So , in conclusion.....I CHOOSE to go overseas due to the lack of available thin and/or nonmaterialistic woman. Your post implies that I search overseas because cant land a woman (or good looking woman) here in the USA due to my bad looks or lack of money. Look, I make about $40K as a loan officer , not great, but not bad. But during the refi boom 2001 to 2007 I was making $70-90K. Whether I was making good money or not, my views were always still the same. The materialism/money issue that pervades Wetsern woman is a matter of morality, character, and principal that really matter to me.

But you do make some good points in your post, especially regarding that to a 3rd world woman, a average or even below average income earner from the west is rich by their standards. But I dont for a minute believe that this plays a dominant role in their attractiuon to Westerners. The USCIS did a study on this and in fact, the ladies gave reasons other than money/economics as to why they were attracted to foreigners/Western man. Its not about money for them, but for many (not all) Western ladies, it certainly is about money.

" Why do foreign women want American husbands? Many sources suggest that these women are searching for a "better life" in terms of socio-economic factors--they do, for the most part, come from places in which jobs and educational opportunities for women are scarce and wages are low. However, when the women themselves are asked this question, the answer generally indicates an attraction to American men (they look like movie stars) and an aversion to native men. Americans, they say, make good husbands while Filipino (Thai/Indonesian/Russian/etc.) men do not. Americans are thought to be faithful to their wives, while the native men are cruel and run around with other women. True or not, this is the perception."

[toma1 10]

Subject being this - slapping labels on people - whether it be about nationality, or weight, or gender - or whatever - makes the subject of the label feel defensive. It makes people feel bad.

Agreed. I don't think people should throw everyone into one category. Yes, there are over weight Americans, but not every American is over weight. There are over weight people in every country.

WHoaaa, come on now!!!!!!!! That's so misrepresentation. Yes, of course there are overwight people in every country, BUT, Western countries take the cake on overweightness. ABout 70% of America (probably britain and austrailians too??) are overweight. ABout 5-10% of other countries populations are. Asian and latin countries populations are 90% thin!!

How can you even think there is a comparison.

PS-Toma 1, I know you would like a link to the stats, LOL. Im too tired to dig it up right now.

LOL, Asking whether I need a link to stats that Americans are more overweight than Asians is like asking if I need a link to stats that the sun still rises every day. Anyone that has been to both places would not seriously contest the issue. You can't accept prima facie evidence for in every case, but certain things are so obvious as to be beyond dispute. Even morocco4ever and Len--the women that spent half a day attacking me personally over that very issue--didn't bother to dispute the fact that what I said was actually true.

[steve55 0]

Steve55,

It is ignorant of you to categorizes all American women into one category. I think relationships are about compromising, and love. I don't expect any man to take care of me that is why I have a degree. I expect us to be partners and love and respect each other because that is what a relationship is about.

Edit: sorry typo

I never said ALL american woman are that way. I always say "In general" or "most". Even match.com shows about 70% of american ladies having minimum income requirements of $50K +. That's evidence enough that western ladies are looking for a man to make a certain amount of money for a certain lifestyle. !

Is that a Cali/NY $50K or a Midwestern $50K?

Poor Steve. He chose to be poor and now blames American women for not liking him. (Apparently, teh Asians don't like him either.)

LOL, Im not poor. That is a ignorant asumption on your part. This is strictly a moral issue for me. What, you think that if I made alot of money that Id want to date a woman who I know in my heart would not be with me if I didnt make a certian amount of money?? Think again!

Wasn't one of your original bitchings about how no wommins wanted anything to do with you, the poor grad student?

LOL, wayyy too funny. Sorry, but wrong guy. LOL. Im no grad student. And I never posted anything like that.

[steve55 0]

Its amazing how when my photo dropped off several days ago, people in this forum started assuming I am fat, bald, ugly , poor, a loser, LOL. The assumption quickly becomes that I cant land ladies in the US because of I must be all these things.

How funny. Heck, at 42, I feel fortunate to be only 167lbs , thin and have all my hair, Im not even receding hairline yet (knock on wood!). Man, those stereotypes about men who go overseas for wives is very predominant and shows how much ignorance is out there. The funny part is that just the opposite is true.

The Men

David Jedlicka (1988, cited in Glodava and Onizuka, 1994) surveyed 607 American men seeking mail-order brides and received 206 responses. He found that the men were generally white (94 percent); highly educated (50 percent with two or more years of college, 6 percent with M.D.'s or Ph.D.'s, only five did not complete high school); politically and ideologically conservative; and generally economically and professionally successful (64 percent earned more than $20,000 a year; 42 were in professional or managerial positions). Their median age was 37. The men came from 44 states, with 22 percent from California, and 84 percent lived in metropolitan areas. Fifty-seven percent had been married at least once; most had been divorced after an average of seven years of marriage, 35 percent had at least one child, and 75 percent wished to father additional children. When asked about their religious affiliations, 48 percent of the men identified themselves as Protestant, 23 percent as Catholic, 15 percent as belonging to other religions, and 14 percent as having no religious affiliation.

Why do American men want foreign wives? Most of the personal reports from American men who have married women through these agencies talk about "traditional values." That is, American women are thought not content to be wives and mothers but seek personal satisfaction through their own careers and interests, while the foreign woman is happy to be the homemaker and asks for nothing more than husband, home, and family. Again, true or not, this is the perception.

Edited October 24, 2009 by steve55

[toma1 10]

That is, American women are thought not content to be wives and mothers but seek personal satisfaction through their own careers and interests, while the foreign woman is happy to be the homemaker and asks for nothing more than husband, home, and family. Again, true or not, this is the perception.

It's funny, because I was looking for a woman that wanted a career.

[Donna A 4]

So obviously an ugly man with a moderate to low income will have to go to a 3rd world country where his income will look far more attractive to the local beauties. Steve just doesn't seem to get that the beautiful women he is courting still have their standards but those standards are based upon 3rd world economics where he will stand a better chance rather than 1st world economics where he doesn't.

First of all, I am not ugly, balding , or overweight as people are starting to assume. Gosh, Im going to have to put back my real photo (full bodt shot) so people here will get that part straight.

Secondly, the issue is not that thin beautiful ladies wont go for me as you seem to be implying. The issue is that here in the US, I cant hardly find any thin ladies!! If I could just meet more thin ladies in my social outings, the odds of meeting the right one would go way up. And lastly, you are missing the point that even if I do find a non overweight woman, the odds of finding one who isnt focused on a man's wallet are still somewhat slim.

So , in conclusion.....I CHOOSE to go overseas due to the lack of available thin and/or nonmaterialistic woman. Your post implies that I search overseas because cant land a woman (or good looking woman) here in the USA due to my bad looks or lack of money. Look, I make about $40K as a loan officer , not great, but not bad. But during the refi boom 2001 to 2007 I was making $70-90K. Whether I was making good money or not, my views were always still the same. The materialism/money issue that pervades Wetsern woman is a matter of morality, character, and principal that really matter to me.

But you do make some good points in your post, especially regarding that to a 3rd world woman, a average or even below average income earner from the west is rich by their standards. But I dont for a minute believe that this plays a dominant role in their attractiuon to Westerners. The USCIS did a study on this and in fact, the ladies gave reasons other than money/economics as to why they were attracted to foreigners/Western man. Its not about money for them, but for many (not all) Western ladies, it certainly is about money.

" Why do foreign women want American husbands? Many sources suggest that these women are searching for a "better life" in terms of socio-economic factors--they do, for the most part, come from places in which jobs and educational opportunities for women are scarce and wages are low. However, when the women themselves are asked this question, the answer generally indicates an attraction to American men (they look like movie stars) and an aversion to native men. Americans, they say, make good husbands while Filipino (Thai/Indonesian/Russian/etc.) men do not. Americans are thought to be faithful to their wives, while the native men are cruel and run around with other women. True or not, this is the perception."

by all means go over seas and get a filipina and dont buy her a anniversary, birthday gift and see how materialistic she isnt then. i bet u she will be mad.

people see what they want to see. you want to see all americans being fat and materialistic for an excuse to go looking overseas. asian woman want to say...our men are not good husbands cuz they need a reason to find american men. these are just excuses. there are alot of nice looking thin american woman here. maybe its the way u percieve them as being no good is why u cant find a good one.

u have it in ur head all these bad things and that clouds ur thinking so u will never find the perfect one here even if she is standing infront of u cuz of your way of thinking.

[Der Bücherwurm 1]

...maybe its the way u percieve them as being no good is why u cant find a good one.

u have it in ur head all these bad things and that clouds ur thinking so u will never find the perfect one here even if she is standing infront of u cuz of your way of thinking.

My thoughts exactly. I think it is his attitude that prevents him from finding a woman. His arrogance, piss-poor personality, his ignorance and his unwillingness to look at the reality of the situation is what is holding him back. There is nothing wrong with looking for love overseas. It definitely makes things more exciting but also more complicated. But whoever he ends up marrying, I'm sure we will end up reading posts from her asking how to adjust status on her own unless he works on himself and changes his outlook. Let him go to Eastern Europe or Asia to find a submissive, hot young babe. However, he should be given the heads up that Asian and East European babes are by far over-represented in the VAWA, Effects of major family changes and Imbra forums.

[sjr09 155]

I've noticed alot of discussion regarding filing a second K1 visa within two years of the first, and how the US CIS mistakes "beneficiary" for "petition". What I'm curious about is the two per lifetime K1 visa sponsorship limit. It seems that the wavier for that should only be granted if a previous beneficiary dies (or a female is abused by a previous beneficiary), at least, that's the impression i get reading the forms & internal memo. I've read the GAO report that states most K1 waivers are granted, but that's for the two-year rule if I'm reading it correctly. Is there any information regarding someone who's actually willing to risk a third round of Russian Roulette? I mean, even felons get three strikes, we get only two?

Mind you, this is purely of intellectual interest to me. I have no intention of going down the aisle again, regardless of her citizenship.

I had my 3rd approved and it was within 2 years of the 2nd approval. The first 2 girls had backed out on me and never made it here to the US (they were 19 yrs old and this had most to do with it). This time it was me who backed out on this 3rd one, and she went back to the Philippines. Im still hoping to find a filipina wife cause I just cant meet the kind of woman I want here. So I may be looking for my 4th petition some day, perhpas sooner than later. Im just havent been ready to give my search any effort yet. Maybe Ill be the first 4th petition IMBRA test case here. If so, Ill be sure to let everyone know how it goes. If I could only find a 30 to 36 yr old woman in the states who isnt overweight, carrying baggage from previous marriages, and who doesnt care how much money I make, then I just might not need to look overseas for marriage.

REALLY? ("they were 19 yrs old and this had most to do with it").

"Im still hoping to find a filipina wife cause I just cant meet the kind of woman"

Sounds like you can't find one in the PI... Jeeezzzz 4th time give it up!

[MrsBocanegra 3]

This thread sure picked up steam.

Steve55,

Well, I would agree with that.

And while $18K would be a rough life, I agree, but both spouses can work, 18K x 2 = $36,000. You wont be living the high life but people do live on that.

36,000 isn't much at all. My SO and I would like to travel, have a nice (decent) house, save for kids college funds and retirement. I don't need to be super rich, but I don't want to be living pay check to pay check. Who wants to live pay check to pay check?

ON the other hand, I do blame a large part of my being single on the fact that most american woman are overweight and I just cant get into sex with an overweight woman. Over recent years (in my 30's) , Ive been to many singles events and social settings full of singles but every time I go, it seems 90% of the ladies are too large or overweight. I wish I had sexual attraction to large and overweight woman but I dont. It would make my life alot easier. If it were a concious choice, I would want to be physically attracte dto overweight woman, it would open up my options greatly.

Steve,

I can respect your attraction to thin women. Most Asian women are very thin, they usually are very small in the chest and behind area (Asian women don't take offense I am not saying all Asian women are like this). Latin women and even American women are fuller in the chest and booty, so they can appear even larger. Maybe you are not into women with larger assets and I'm not talking about waist size either. I know guys who don't like girls with big boobs, they prefer other things. Toma1 makes a great point if you are physically fit then it is only fair to want that in a partner. I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting a healthy partner.

But yes, perhaps somewhere along the way I have horrible judgement in recognizing whether I have a "real" solid relationship that will make it to the end. I do believe Im lacking some kind of proper judgement in this regard.

Maybe your problem is that you are not open enough (not trying to attack you). Just out of curiosity what else do you look for in women besides thin and Asian? I have dated guys who I wasn't attracted to at first, but then once I got to know them, their personality attracted me to them. Maybe you should try giving people a chance before you write them off.

P.S. Who in their right mind is going to tell USCIS they want an American man for a Visa.

Honestly, I do hope you find someone because everyone deserves happiness.

[Brad and Vika 129]

...maybe its the way u percieve them as being no good is why u cant find a good one.

u have it in ur head all these bad things and that clouds ur thinking so u will never find the perfect one here even if she is standing infront of u cuz of your way of thinking.

My thoughts exactly. I think it is his attitude that prevents him from finding a woman. His arrogance, piss-poor personality, his ignorance and his unwillingness to look at the reality of the situation is what is holding him back. There is nothing wrong with looking for love overseas. It definitely makes things more exciting but also more complicated. But whoever he ends up marrying, I'm sure we will end up reading posts from her asking how to adjust status on her own unless he works on himself and changes his outlook. Let him go to Eastern Europe or Asia to find a submissive, hot young babe. However, he should be given the heads up that Asian and East European babes are by far over-represented in the VAWA, Effects of major family changes and Imbra forums.

Er.. How many submissive Eastern European women do you actually know? Any one who is using THAT as a criteria and looking in Eastern Europe has made a serious error, but we see that assumption posted all the time around here. Statements like that usually come from people who don't actually know many people from the region. Just saying...

Man, those stereotypes about men who go overseas for wives is very predominant and shows how much ignorance is out there.

And sometimes the women actually show up here in America somehow (like my wife did)

[Der Bücherwurm 1]

Er.. How many submissive Eastern European women do you actually know? Any one who is using THAT as a criteria and looking in Eastern Europe has made a serious error, but we see that assumption posted all the time around here. Statements like that usually come from people who don't actually know many people from the region. Just saying...

Well, most of the East European women here in Turkey are 'working girls' but that's a whole other can of worms. The point is, that some American men have those preconceived notions that turn out to be inaccurate. Hence certain nationalities being over represented trying to adjust status alone after abuse, cheating or because they entered the relationship fraudulently. Hell, I've run into American guys that said they were fed up with domineering, feminist American women and of all places they went to Scandinavia to find a woman. If you know anything about the Nordic countries you'll know they are the last place you should go if you are afraid of independent, educated, strong, feminist women. Some people just set impossible standards for what they want in a mate and convince themselves that they'll find it abroad, only it turns out they can't find it anywhere. After 3 strikes in PI, I'd say Steve isn't going to find what he wants there either so perhaps he should try Botswana next.

[rebeccajo 14]

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[toma1 10]

However, he should be given the heads up that Asian and East European babes are by far over-represented in the VAWA, Effects of major family changes and Imbra forums.

I have checked those statistics (including looking through the topics you mentioned), and can find very little rationale as to why you have included East Asians in that list. I looked through a number of threads and the facts don't bear out what you are saying here.

According to studies by Jenifer L. Bratter and Rosalind B. King published on the Education Resources Information Center, White female-Asian male pairings show higher divorce rates than White-White couples,[1] while Asian female-White male marriages show generally lower rates of divorce than White-White marriages.[1] In 2006, 41 percent of Asian American-born women were registered as having White husbands, while 50 percent were married to Asian American men.[2] L. Shinagawa found this ratio tends to widen wherever an Asian population is the largest and most well established: According to a 1990 study in San Francisco, Asian women married partners of European extraction at four times the rate of Asian men.[3] Social enterprise research by the Columbia Business School (2005-2007) concluded that while East Asian women statistically prefer East Asian men for marriage, they show no discrimination against White men, causing Asian women-White men pairings to consistently become the prevalent form of interracial dating & marriage in the United States.[4] The study found the phenomenon to be the result of a (sociologically) unique and mutual neutrality East Asian women and White men tend to show each other as potential partners,[4] rather than due to the pronounced preference of either side.[4]

[1] Jenifer L..Bratter and Rosalink B. Kind, ""But Will It Last?": Marital Instability among Interracial and Same-Race Couples". Blackwell Publishing. Retrieved 2009-03-13.

[2] Married Couple Family Groups, by Presence of Own Children/1 In Specific Age Groups, and Age, Earnings, Education, and Race and Hispanic Origin/2 of Both Spouses: 2006". U. S. Census Bureau.

[3] McCullough, Michael. "The Myth Of The Rice King". Vancouver Sun. Retrieved 2009-01-18.

[4] Fishman, Ray. "An economist solves the mysteries of dating". Slate magazine. Retrieved 2009-01-18.

Edited October 24, 2009 by toma1

[toma1 10]

Most Asian women are very thin, they usually are very small in the chest and behind area (Asian women don't take offense I am not saying all Asian women are like this). Latin women and even American women are fuller in the chest and booty, so they can appear even larger.

Is far as I can tell, you are generally correct about bust size, but incorrect about hip (e.g. "booty") measurements.

I will tell you what I have heard based on a lot of experience in SE Asia. In no particular order:

My (Thai) wife believes that there is not a natural size D or even C+ in Thailand, a D cup is usually the result of implants or serious obesity (its rare, but it happens).

Many foreign guys pay for breast implants. Of that group of women, most want them, but a few are just doing it for their bf/husband.

Many women will have them done on their own if they can afford the surgery. My wife does not have them.

Based on my experience, this field has come a long way since the early 90s and it's nearly impossible to tell or feel the difference if the job was done right.

Many foreign women working in Thailand, though perfectly content with their bust size, are jealous of Thai women's "booty". A western woman that I worked with over there told me that they had coined a term for that specific shape: "Mini J-Lo Butts". The curve goes back far enough that normal bikini bottoms typically exhibit a bit of 'cleavage' on the top.

As for myself, as long as someone's body is in good physical shape for it's size, I can appreciate any combination of the above.

Edited October 24, 2009 by toma1