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[MrsBocanegra 3]

Yep - and money issues are one of the primary reasons for divorce so better to be upfront about your attitudes up front.

Besides, what if these women want to be a traditional wife and stay at home to raise children? Where I live, someone making less than $50k is not going to be able to afford a neighborhood with good schools. Is it materialistic to want that?

At the end of the day, ability to provide is no less a biological imperative that set of big knockers and childbearing hips

Most couples fight about finances and it is one of the number one reasons why couples divorce. It can't be blamed solely on women.

I know a bunch of high-earning women who make more money than their husbands - and it's not an issue for them

Yup, I know plenty of them too.

Steve55

18,000 are you serious. I live in Texas too and 18,000 isn't much. What if you are interested in providing better opportunities for your children or want to travel, 18,000 will not cut it. When I say travel I'm not talking about luxurious trips to Fiji either. I think you are the one hung up on the whole money issue. I do think women and men find money to factor in their decisions, as well as education, looks, family and other things.

To be honest who (men & women) wouldn't want to marry a millionaire it should would make things easier. Just like I am sure you want to marry a young, sexy, beautiful lady that never ages doesn't mean it will happen or you won't give other ladies a chance. I think you are taking what women say to literal. Women might say this is what I want, but usually when they are in love or even in like they sometimes forget about their "requirements."

Edited October 19, 2009 by msacano

[rebeccajo 14]

Well, you know we (Americans) worldwide have the reputation of being brash.

It's not just a case of 'my husband told me'. It's a case of paying attention since I became involved in 'international relations'.

Yes, Americans in general are considered to be brash. But's quite a stretch to go from "Americans are brash" to "American men are selfish bastards" and then call it a day, with only--I'll repeat myself--"my husband told me" to bridge the rather large gap in reasoning.

My husband lived in Europe for 42 years.

So yeah - my husband told me - what he knew from being a MAN in Europe.

[toma1 10]

Well, you know we (Americans) worldwide have the reputation of being brash.

It's not just a case of 'my husband told me'. It's a case of paying attention since I became involved in 'international relations'.

Yes, Americans in general are considered to be brash. But's quite a stretch to go from "Americans are brash" to "American men are selfish bastards" and then call it a day, with only--I'll repeat myself--"my husband told me" to bridge the rather large gap in reasoning.

My husband lived in Europe for 42 years.

So yeah - my husband told me - what he knew from being a MAN in Europe.

You are seriously arguing that a poll of one European citizen is a valid measure of what everyone (or even the average person) in Europe thinks?

[rebeccajo 14]

Well, you know we (Americans) worldwide have the reputation of being brash.

It's not just a case of 'my husband told me'. It's a case of paying attention since I became involved in 'international relations'.

Yes, Americans in general are considered to be brash. But's quite a stretch to go from "Americans are brash" to "American men are selfish bastards" and then call it a day, with only--I'll repeat myself--"my husband told me" to bridge the rather large gap in reasoning.

My husband lived in Europe for 42 years.

So yeah - my husband told me - what he knew from being a MAN in Europe.

You are seriously arguing that a poll of one European citizen is a valid measure of what everyone (or even the average person) in Europe thinks?

Well, I guess I can be about as serious in my contentions as you gentlemen are in yours.......

Edited October 19, 2009 by rebeccajo

[toma1 10]

I just "polled" one of our IT professors (from London and who lived in Europe for 47 years) and he said that your husband was talking bollocks.

Does that make you wrong or are polls of one just a whopping waste of time?

[MrsBocanegra 3]

Well, you know we (Americans) worldwide have the reputation of being brash.

It's not just a case of 'my husband told me'. It's a case of paying attention since I became involved in 'international relations'.

Yes, Americans in general are considered to be brash. But's quite a stretch to go from "Americans are brash" to "American men are selfish bastards" and then call it a day, with only--I'll repeat myself--"my husband told me" to bridge the rather large gap in reasoning.

My husband lived in Europe for 42 years.

So yeah - my husband told me - what he knew from being a MAN in Europe.

I could agree with you, but then that would be generalizing and I don't want to stoop to Steve55's level. Your husband may be right in some cases, but we can't say all American men are this way. I do however, understand where you are coming from and what point you are trying to make.

[rebeccajo 14]

I just "polled" one of our IT professors (from London and who lived in Europe for 47 years) and he said that your husband was talking bollocks.

Does that make you wrong or are polls of one just a whopping waste of time?

I'd say my husband's 'generalities' are just as good the professor's. Or yours. Or Steve's.

Interesting how the comment bothers you enough that you feel the need to verify it with another 'source'. Not very nice to have people 'size you up' because of your gender and nationality, is it?

[HannahP 119]

Steve55,

It is ignorant of you to categorizes all American women into one category. I think relationships are about compromising, and love. I don't expect any man to take care of me that is why I have a degree. I expect us to be partners and love and respect each other because that is what a relationship is about.

Edit: sorry typo

I never said ALL american woman are that way. I always say "In general" or "most". Even match.com shows about 70% of american ladies having minimum income requirements of $50K +. That's evidence enough that western ladies are looking for a man to make a certain amount of money for a certain lifestyle. !

Is that a Cali/NY $50K or a Midwestern $50K?

Poor Steve. He chose to be poor and now blames American women for not liking him. (Apparently, teh Asians don't like him either.)

[toma1 10]

I'd say my husband's 'generalities' are just as good the professor's. Or yours. Or Steve's.

I agree. They are all equally worthless, which was my point. On the other hand, I give the study that included 13,500 respondents quite a bit of credibility.

Interesting how the comment bothers you enough that you feel the need to verify it with another 'source'.

Changing the subject doesn't help your argument. Even Steve55 was able to dig up something to support his position.

Not very nice to have people 'size you up' because of your gender and nationality, is it?

I don't think I sized anyone up by nationality in any way that cannot be proven. I did say that I, personally, liked an Asian "look" which is a personal preference, not a broad generalization about a specific group. It doesn't even mean that I don't like a Western look, or that I think Western women are ugly.

I did say a few weeks ago that Americans were generally too fat, without specifying a gender. If you disagree, by all means let me know, and I would be happy to provide links to evidence to back that up.

[rebeccajo 14]

Interesting how the comment bothers you enough that you feel the need to verify it with another 'source'.

Changing the subject doesn't help your argument. Even Steve55 was able to dig up something to support his position.

I'm not changing the subject. How am I changing the subject? Why do I need to 'support' an opinion?

Subject being this - slapping labels on people - whether it be about nationality, or weight, or gender - or whatever - makes the subject of the label feel defensive. It makes people feel bad.

You yourself just got yourself in enough of a stew about my generality that you had to go ask your 'expert'.

So I think I happen to be right on subject.

The real subject.

[MonkeyJuice 3]

I really hope that Steve has the great personality it takes to go toward making a relationship work. One of the sexiest things I love about my hubby is that he makes me laugh...lots!

So if Steve hasn't much money & his looks aren't great, maybe his charm will woo the girl.

[MrsBocanegra 3]

Steve55,

It is ignorant of you to categorizes all American women into one category. I think relationships are about compromising, and love. I don't expect any man to take care of me that is why I have a degree. I expect us to be partners and love and respect each other because that is what a relationship is about.

Edit: sorry typo

I never said ALL american woman are that way. I always say "In general" or "most". Even match.com shows about 70% of american ladies having minimum income requirements of $50K +. That's evidence enough that western ladies are looking for a man to make a certain amount of money for a certain lifestyle. !

Is that a Cali/NY $50K or a Midwestern $50K?

Poor Steve. He chose to be poor and now blames American women for not liking him. (Apparently, teh Asians don't like him either.)

I agree I think he is blaming American women for his issues with money.

[MrsBocanegra 3]

Subject being this - slapping labels on people - whether it be about nationality, or weight, or gender - or whatever - makes the subject of the label feel defensive. It makes people feel bad.

Agreed. I don't think people should throw everyone into one category. Yes, there are over weight Americans, but not every American is over weight. There are over weight people in every country.

Edited October 20, 2009 by msacano

[toma1 10]

I'm not changing the subject. How am I changing the subject? Why do I need to 'support' an opinion?

Subject being this - slapping labels on people - whether it be about nationality, or weight, or gender - or whatever - makes the subject of the label feel defensive. It makes people feel bad.

You yourself just got yourself in enough of a stew about my generality that you had to go ask your 'expert'.

So I think I happen to be right on subject.

The real subject.

You thought your husband's personal biases made me feel bad? Sorry, no. I have to have some measure of respect for the source before I would even consider feeling bad about something they said about me personally, let alone their thoughts on American men in general. I have no idea who you are; why would I concern myself with your opinion of me?

If American men actually ARE the most selfish pigs in the world, you are welcome to trumpet your proof from the rooftops, as far as I am concerned. You can slap any label on anyone you like, so long as it has some basis in reality. Regrettably, I forgot to check your location before setting the bar that high.

I asked my colleague in order to illustrate a point that, unfortunately, seems to have gone completely over your head. You then inexplicably changed the subject to my feelings, which remain undamaged, I assure you. I fact, I only thought to ask him because he happened to poke his head into my office as I was finishing up my earlier post. He also asked me why I was wasting time replying. I actually do feel a bit bad about that, as I obviously should have listened to his advice.

Edited October 20, 2009 by toma1

[Brad and Vika 129]

Here is a funny story that both sides might enjoy. I think many of you will agree that this woman got the advice that she "needed".

http://www.snopes.com/love/dating/golddigger.asp

Entertaining stuff Toma1 Providing some evidence for the position that there are people in every culture focused on money/things, but really helping to prove Steve55's last point, no?

Her ethnicity is not provided. You're assuming she's a Caucasian American.

I think Steve55 was saying American women generally, without reference to race, but yes, American. Funny stuff anyway.