No matter who your for in the election read this

[chri'stina 190]

BTW, Bush isn't like Hitler either. Though many pretend.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Hmmm - it isn't really all that interesting...

There is no factual basis in that article - its blatant propaganda.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

BTW, Bush isn't like Hitler either. Though many pretend.

Bush has done a lot of things that are pretty dodgy from a constitution POV, but no - he isn't comparable to Hitler, even if what comes out of the administrations press office has the smell of Joseph Goebbels on it.

Not so much these days of course - but back when the war was being proposed and people who opposed it were getting smeared with the Unamerican label and accused of not supporting the troops.

[nowhereman 1]

The OP is an idiot... basically you are saying that because Obama is charismatic he's like Hitler? OK then I guess that would apply to JFK & Reagan as well?

let the personal attacks begin.

in before the lock!

Charles you are as silent as a fart in church when people make ignorant, racist or volatile posts but you are all over anyone who says anything like I just did (especially if the OP is a right winger). I denounce your bias (if that's a personal attack at least it's an accurate one).

[Empress of Groovy 373]

I trembled last night when I heard the voices of American children raised in song, praising the name of Obama, the charismatic fellow who claims he is the American Messiah.

Given the context of this rather absurd opinion piece, this claim is central to the argument.

Who has referred to Obama as the messiah, except for ring-wing shouting heads using it snidely? I'm certain he never referred to himself as the messiah.

Yikes, I say. Not a lot of critical thinking going on...

[HAL 9000 96]

HAL 9000 in before the lock.

[Imua 0]

McCain can't be all that bad, he did trade in this:

For this:

Marrying her only one month after his divorce. But did later come on to say, it was a mistake and immoral what he did to his ex-wife, but admitting to a mistake and correcting it is two different things.

One can only wonder the way he praises Sarah, if he is getting any, could be, and Cindy wouldn't mind, would be a load off her chest.

Obama is too much of a gentleman to dig into John's past, but he really doesn't have a to say what a fine man he is and a good friend, can just say nothing. To me, that's points against Obama.

Historians are up in arms how Hitler could take control, can understand Stalin with a bunch of uneducated peasants, but the German's were suppose to be an intelligent well educated people.

But Hitler did use greed, hey, go to your Jewish neighbors house and take whatever you want, as long as you give the majority of it to me. Maybe they weren't very intelligent after all, after the Jews, they were next in line.

So to abandon your wife because she isn't 'hot' anymore because she was the innocent victim of a car accident is admirable behavior worthy of the President of the United States???? This, plus the Chelsea joke, plus the names he called even his 'hot' wife in public, really show me what kind of lowlife this 'maverick' is and how women would fare under his administration.

That is a big reason why I would never vote for John McAncient.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Actually a very interesting read.

Posted by: Lori Kalner on Wednesday, October 01, 2008

http://www.thoenebooks.com/blog.asp?post=2...2008&id=443

In Germany, when Hitler came to power, it was a time of terrible financial depression. Money was worth nothing. In Germany people lost homes and jobs, just like in the American Depression in the 1930s, which we have read about in Thoene's Shiloh books. In those days, in my homeland, Adolph Hitler was elected to power by promising 'Change.' He blamed the 'Zionists' around the world for all our problems. He told everyone it was greedy Zionist Bankers who had caused every problem we had. He promised when he was leader, the greedy Zionist bankers would be punished. The Zionists, he promised, would be wiped off the face of the earth. So Hitler was elected to power by only 1/3 the popular vote. A coalition of other political parties in parliament made him supreme leader. Then, when he was leader, he disgraced and expelled everyone in parliament who did not go along with him. Yes. Change came to my homeland as the new leader promised it would.

The teachers in German schools began to teach the children to sing songs in praise of Hitler. This was the beginning of the Hitler Youth movement. It began with praise of the Fuhrer's programs on the lips of innocent children. Hymns in praise of Hitler and his programs were being sung in the schoolrooms and in the play yard. Little girls and boys joined hands and sang these songs as they walked home from school.

My brother came home and told Papa what was happening at school. The political hymns of children proclaimed Change was coming to our homeland and the Fuhrer was a leader we could trust. I will never forget my father's face. Grief and fear. He knew that the best propaganda of the Nazis was song on the lips of little children. That evening before he said grace at the dinner table, he placed his hands upon the heads of my brothers and me and prayed the Living Word upon us from Jeremiah 1:4-5.

'Now the Word of the Lord came to me, saying, 'Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to The nations.'

Soon the children's songs praising the Fuhrer were heard everywhere on the streets and over the radio. 'With our Fuhrer to lead us, we can do it! We can change the world!' Soon after that Papa, a pastor, was turned away from visiting elderly parishioners in hospitals. The people he had come to bring comfort of God's Word, were 'no longer there.' Where had they vanished to while under nationalized health care?

It became an open secret. The elderly and sick began to disappear from hospitals feet first as 'mercy killing' became the policy. Children with disabilities and those who had Down syndrome were euthanized. People whispered, 'Maybe it is better for them now. Put them out of misery. They are no longer suffering. And, of course, their death is better for the treasury of our nation. Our taxes no longer must be spent to care for such a burden.' And so murder was called mercy.

The government took over private business. Industry and health care were 'nationalized.' (NA-ZI means National Socialist Party) The businesses of all Jews were seized. (Perhaps you remember our story in Berlin on Krystalnacht in the book Munich Signature)

The world and God's word were turned upside down. Hitler promised the people economic Change?

Not change. It was, rather, Lucifer's very ancient Delusion leading to Destruction. What began with the propaganda of children singing a catchy tune ended in the deaths of millions of children. The reality of what came upon us is so horrible that you in this present generation cannot imagine it. Our suffering is too great to ever tell in a book or show in a black and white newsreel.

When I spoke to Bodie about some of these things, she wept and said she could not bear to write them. Perhaps one day she will, but I asked her, 'who could bear to read our suffering?' Yet with my last breaths I warn every Christian and Jew now in the name of the Lord, Unless your course of the church in America is spiritually changed now, returning to the Lord, there are new horrors yet to come.

I trembled last night when I heard the voices of American children raised in song, praising the name of Obama, the charismatic fellow who claims he is the American Messiah. Yet I have heard what this man Obama says about abortion and the 'mercy killing' of tiny babies who are not wanted.

There are so few of us left to warn you. I have heard that there are 69 million Catholics in America and 70 million Evangelical Christians. Where are your voices? Where is your outrage? Where is passion and your vote? Do you vote based on an abortionist's empty promises and economics? Or do you vote according to the Bible? Thus says the Lord about every living child still in the womb.

'Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.'

I have experienced the signs of the politics of Death in my youth. I see them again now. Christians! Unless you stand up now, you will lose your freedom of religion. In America priests and preachers have already lost their freedom to speak openly from their pulpits of moral danger in political candidates. They cannot legally instruct you of which candidate holds fast to the precepts of scripture! American law forbids this freedom of speech to conservative pastors or they will lose their 'tax exempt' status. And yet I have heard the words of Obama's pastor Damning America! I have heard the words of Obama damning and mocking all of you in small towns because you 'Cling to your religion.' But I am a woman whose name is unknown. My life is recorded as a work of fiction. I have no fear of reprisal when I speak truth to you from the pages of a book. (Though the Zion Covenant books are mocked and condemned by the Left in America.)

I am an old woman and will soon go to be with my Lord. I have no fear for myself, but for all of you and for your children, I tremble. I tremble at the hymns to a political leaders which your children will sing at school. (Though even now a hymn or a prayer to God and our Lord Jesus is against the law in public school!)

Your vote must put a stop to what will come upon America if Barrack Obama is elected. I pray you will personally heed this warning for the sake of your children and your grandchildren. Do not be deceived. The Lord in Jeremiah 1:7-8 commands every believer to speak up!

Hitler was a Roman Catholic and Catholics, in particular, were famously antisemitic at the time. Go check your history.

Howzabout YOU check your history--since der Fuhrer was no more a practicing Catholic than (treasonous) Canadian PM Pierre-eh Trudeau (who personally ordered a licence-tag number of....'666')

[Ban Hammer 13,491]

The OP is an idiot... basically you are saying that because Obama is charismatic he's like Hitler? OK then I guess that would apply to JFK & Reagan as well?

let the personal attacks begin.

in before the lock!

Charles you are as silent as a fart in church when people make ignorant, racist or volatile posts but you are all over anyone who says anything like I just did (especially if the OP is a right winger). I denounce your bias (if that's a personal attack at least it's an accurate one).

and the hits just keep on coming!

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Actually a very interesting read.

Posted by: Lori Kalner on Wednesday, October 01, 2008

http://www.thoenebooks.com/blog.asp?post=2...2008&id=443

In Germany, when Hitler came to power, it was a time of terrible financial depression. Money was worth nothing. In Germany people lost homes and jobs, just like in the American Depression in the 1930s, which we have read about in Thoene's Shiloh books. In those days, in my homeland, Adolph Hitler was elected to power by promising 'Change.' He blamed the 'Zionists' around the world for all our problems. He told everyone it was greedy Zionist Bankers who had caused every problem we had. He promised when he was leader, the greedy Zionist bankers would be punished. The Zionists, he promised, would be wiped off the face of the earth. So Hitler was elected to power by only 1/3 the popular vote. A coalition of other political parties in parliament made him supreme leader. Then, when he was leader, he disgraced and expelled everyone in parliament who did not go along with him. Yes. Change came to my homeland as the new leader promised it would.

The teachers in German schools began to teach the children to sing songs in praise of Hitler. This was the beginning of the Hitler Youth movement. It began with praise of the Fuhrer's programs on the lips of innocent children. Hymns in praise of Hitler and his programs were being sung in the schoolrooms and in the play yard. Little girls and boys joined hands and sang these songs as they walked home from school.

My brother came home and told Papa what was happening at school. The political hymns of children proclaimed Change was coming to our homeland and the Fuhrer was a leader we could trust. I will never forget my father's face. Grief and fear. He knew that the best propaganda of the Nazis was song on the lips of little children. That evening before he said grace at the dinner table, he placed his hands upon the heads of my brothers and me and prayed the Living Word upon us from Jeremiah 1:4-5.

'Now the Word of the Lord came to me, saying, 'Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to The nations.'

Soon the children's songs praising the Fuhrer were heard everywhere on the streets and over the radio. 'With our Fuhrer to lead us, we can do it! We can change the world!' Soon after that Papa, a pastor, was turned away from visiting elderly parishioners in hospitals. The people he had come to bring comfort of God's Word, were 'no longer there.' Where had they vanished to while under nationalized health care?

It became an open secret. The elderly and sick began to disappear from hospitals feet first as 'mercy killing' became the policy. Children with disabilities and those who had Down syndrome were euthanized. People whispered, 'Maybe it is better for them now. Put them out of misery. They are no longer suffering. And, of course, their death is better for the treasury of our nation. Our taxes no longer must be spent to care for such a burden.' And so murder was called mercy.

The government took over private business. Industry and health care were 'nationalized.' (NA-ZI means National Socialist Party) The businesses of all Jews were seized. (Perhaps you remember our story in Berlin on Krystalnacht in the book Munich Signature)

The world and God's word were turned upside down. Hitler promised the people economic Change?

Not change. It was, rather, Lucifer's very ancient Delusion leading to Destruction. What began with the propaganda of children singing a catchy tune ended in the deaths of millions of children. The reality of what came upon us is so horrible that you in this present generation cannot imagine it. Our suffering is too great to ever tell in a book or show in a black and white newsreel.

When I spoke to Bodie about some of these things, she wept and said she could not bear to write them. Perhaps one day she will, but I asked her, 'who could bear to read our suffering?' Yet with my last breaths I warn every Christian and Jew now in the name of the Lord, Unless your course of the church in America is spiritually changed now, returning to the Lord, there are new horrors yet to come.

I trembled last night when I heard the voices of American children raised in song, praising the name of Obama, the charismatic fellow who claims he is the American Messiah. Yet I have heard what this man Obama says about abortion and the 'mercy killing' of tiny babies who are not wanted.

There are so few of us left to warn you. I have heard that there are 69 million Catholics in America and 70 million Evangelical Christians. Where are your voices? Where is your outrage? Where is passion and your vote? Do you vote based on an abortionist's empty promises and economics? Or do you vote according to the Bible? Thus says the Lord about every living child still in the womb.

'Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.'

I have experienced the signs of the politics of Death in my youth. I see them again now. Christians! Unless you stand up now, you will lose your freedom of religion. In America priests and preachers have already lost their freedom to speak openly from their pulpits of moral danger in political candidates. They cannot legally instruct you of which candidate holds fast to the precepts of scripture! American law forbids this freedom of speech to conservative pastors or they will lose their 'tax exempt' status. And yet I have heard the words of Obama's pastor Damning America! I have heard the words of Obama damning and mocking all of you in small towns because you 'Cling to your religion.' But I am a woman whose name is unknown. My life is recorded as a work of fiction. I have no fear of reprisal when I speak truth to you from the pages of a book. (Though the Zion Covenant books are mocked and condemned by the Left in America.)

I am an old woman and will soon go to be with my Lord. I have no fear for myself, but for all of you and for your children, I tremble. I tremble at the hymns to a political leaders which your children will sing at school. (Though even now a hymn or a prayer to God and our Lord Jesus is against the law in public school!)

Your vote must put a stop to what will come upon America if Barrack Obama is elected. I pray you will personally heed this warning for the sake of your children and your grandchildren. Do not be deceived. The Lord in Jeremiah 1:7-8 commands every believer to speak up!

Did Lori (blind since 2004) use a braille computer, or dictate it to someone else?

[Sister Fracas 5]

[almaty 19]

brother sriniv...bringing the heat and laying the spank down...

[Mononoke28 135]

McCain can't be all that bad, he did trade in this:

For this:

Marrying her only one month after his divorce. But did later come on to say, it was a mistake and immoral what he did to his ex-wife, but admitting to a mistake and correcting it is two different things.

One can only wonder the way he praises Sarah, if he is getting any, could be, and Cindy wouldn't mind, would be a load off her chest.

Obama is too much of a gentleman to dig into John's past, but he really doesn't have a to say what a fine man he is and a good friend, can just say nothing. To me, that's points against Obama.

Historians are up in arms how Hitler could take control, can understand Stalin with a bunch of uneducated peasants, but the German's were suppose to be an intelligent well educated people.

But Hitler did use greed, hey, go to your Jewish neighbors house and take whatever you want, as long as you give the majority of it to me. Maybe they weren't very intelligent after all, after the Jews, they were next in line.

So to abandon your wife because she isn't 'hot' anymore because she was the innocent victim of a car accident is admirable behavior worthy of the President of the United States???? This, plus the Chelsea joke, plus the names he called even his 'hot' wife in public, really show me what kind of lowlife this 'maverick' is and how women would fare under his administration.

That is a big reason why I would never vote for John McAncient.

I'm sure the millions she inherited from her father didn't have anything to do with him leaving his ex-wife for her.

Diana

Edited October 22, 2008 by Mononoke28

[peejay 327]

Bush is the one that has taken our rights away.

- Matthew Rothschild - July 24, 2007

We've been living in it ever since. And it's not a comfortable place. The government is monitoring your phone calls and can read your e-mails and open your snail mail.

The government can access records of your large financial transactions, such as buying a house.

Law enforcement officers can bust into your home when you're not there, riffle through your belongings, plant a recording device on your computer, and leave without notifying you for at least thirty days -- and maybe a lot more.

You no longer have the right to protest where the president or vice president can see you, or at major public events when they aren't even present.

Law enforcement officers can now monitor you in public if you are merely exercising your political rights.

They can infiltrate your political organizations.

And they can keep track of you at your place of worship. The government can find out from bookstores and libraries the material you've been reading, and the bookstore owner and the librarian can't talk about it, except to their lawyers, for a whole year -- or more.

The government can hold you in preventive detention for months on end as a "material witness."

If you're not a citizen the government can deport you on a technicality or for mere political association.

If you're not a citizen the government can label you an "enemy combatant" and send you to secret prisons around the world, where you may never see the light of day again -- much less a lawyer or a judge. And even if you are a citizen, the government can label you an enemy combatant and hold you in solitary confinement here in the United States.

Under George W. Bush's interpretation of the president's powers during the so-called war on terror he can do just about whatever he wants. He cites the Authorization for Use of Military Force bill, which Congress passed on September 18, 2001, as the justification for this enormous leeway.

"Congress gave me the authority to use necessary force to protect the American people, but it didn't prescribe the tactics,"Bush said in a speech at Kansas State University on January 23, 2006. Those tactics, he presumes, are totally up to him. Under this rationale Bush could send F-16s to attack a residential area in, say, Indianapolis if he thought Al Qaeda suspects were there.

Lest you think I'm exaggerating, check out the February 13, 2006, issue of Newsweek:

NO MORE, McCain is just as bad, and might even be worst.

And I thought the O/P was kind of "out there" too.

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

I knew it! The crazy rally lady is a member of VJ!!

hahahahaha!

We are afraid, he is an Ay-rab. No?