Things Liberals Believe in

[IAMX 3,055]

There has already been an example of the US military repressing US Citizens - the internment of 120,000 Japanese/Asian Americans in WW2.

NOw we have moved from killing to "repression" (however that gets defined).

Since we know at least one Japanese civilian gave the intel needed to bring about Pearl Harbor

... the fears of spy's crawling all over the country were exaggerated but not unfounded.

Q; why is it we only hear about the Japanese being interned, I thought Germans and Italians were

as well for a while on the east-coast.

Do you support the trillion (plus) dollars overall, and continued U.S. billions of dollars handed to Israel by the government (i.e. via our taxes) ?

I sure hope not.

Edited October 23, 2008 by SRVT

[SpiritAlight 1]

There has already been an example of the US military repressing US Citizens - the internment of 120,000 Japanese/Asian Americans in WW2.

NOw we have moved from killing to "repression" (however that gets defined).

Since we know at least one Japanese civilian gave the intel needed to bring about Pearl Harbor

... the fears of spy's crawling all over the country were exaggerated but not unfounded.

Q; why is it we only hear about the Japanese being interned, I thought Germans and Italians were

as well for a while on the east-coast.

Do you support the trillion (plus) dollars overall, and continued U.S. billions of dollars handed to Israel by the government (i.e. via our taxes) ?

I sure hope not.

Does anybody know why?

[IAMX 3,055]

There has already been an example of the US military repressing US Citizens - the internment of 120,000 Japanese/Asian Americans in WW2.

NOw we have moved from killing to "repression" (however that gets defined).

Since we know at least one Japanese civilian gave the intel needed to bring about Pearl Harbor

... the fears of spy's crawling all over the country were exaggerated but not unfounded.

Q; why is it we only hear about the Japanese being interned, I thought Germans and Italians were

as well for a while on the east-coast.

Do you support the trillion (plus) dollars overall, and continued U.S. billions of dollars handed to Israel by the government (i.e. via our taxes) ?

I sure hope not.

Does anybody know why?

The only reason I've seen so far is because.. it's Israel. It might have something to do with Christianity, as well.

Evidently they're excluded from following international treaties, or human rights laws, or spying on the U.S. isn't such a bad thing.. because they're Israel.

[rocks 494]

There has already been an example of the US military repressing US Citizens - the internment of 120,000 Japanese/Asian Americans in WW2.

NOw we have moved from killing to "repression" (however that gets defined).

Since we know at least one Japanese civilian gave the intel needed to bring about Pearl Harbor

... the fears of spy's crawling all over the country were exaggerated but not unfounded.

Q; why is it we only hear about the Japanese being interned, I thought Germans and Italians were

as well for a while on the east-coast.

Do you support the trillion (plus) dollars overall, and continued U.S. billions of dollars handed to Israel by the government (i.e. via our taxes) ?

I sure hope not.

Does anybody know why?

why you hear more about japanese internment than german/italian?

[SpiritAlight 1]

No, the second bolded text.

[rocks 494]

No, the second bolded text.

oh, my bad, sorry.

i'd like to know why we still aren't helping palestine.

[SpiritAlight 1]

No, the second bolded text.

oh, my bad, sorry.

i'd like to know why we still aren't helping palestine.

Ah, a whole new thread awaits...

Having seen some docs on this subject, I find it extremely sickening to my stomach.

Bleh!

Edited October 23, 2008 by SpiritAlight

[Danno 1,228]

There has already been an example of the US military repressing US Citizens - the internment of 120,000 Japanese/Asian Americans in WW2.

NOw we have moved from killing to "repression" (however that gets defined).

Since we know at least one Japanese civilian gave the intel needed to bring about Pearl Harbor

... the fears of spy's crawling all over the country were exaggerated but not unfounded.

Q; why is it we only hear about the Japanese being interned, I thought Germans and Italians were

as well for a while on the east-coast.

Do you support the trillion (plus) dollars overall, and continued U.S. billions of dollars handed to Israel by the government (i.e. via our taxes) ?

I sure hope not.

Wish I could give you my well thought out opinion on the matter but I can only say, I generally believe we not only spend way to much (tax) money (or credit) on foreign countries.

We have way too many troops posted around the world.

Not sure what this question had to do with my post though.

[Peikko 1,575]

Would this well thought out opinion run on the same logic lines of sex can only be homosexual if it's anul? I wish you had the time to post it, I am quite sure it would be fascinating.

[IAMX 3,055]

There has already been an example of the US military repressing US Citizens - the internment of 120,000 Japanese/Asian Americans in WW2.

NOw we have moved from killing to "repression" (however that gets defined).

Since we know at least one Japanese civilian gave the intel needed to bring about Pearl Harbor

... the fears of spy's crawling all over the country were exaggerated but not unfounded.

Q; why is it we only hear about the Japanese being interned, I thought Germans and Italians were

as well for a while on the east-coast.

Do you support the trillion (plus) dollars overall, and continued U.S. billions of dollars handed to Israel by the government (i.e. via our taxes) ?

I sure hope not.

Wish I could give you my well thought out opinion on the matter but I can only say, I generally believe we not only spend way to much (tax) money (or credit) on foreign countries.

We have way too many troops posted around the world.

Not sure what this question had to do with my post though.

Israel spies on this country. Including convictions for it.

Edited October 24, 2008 by SRVT

[nowhereman 1]

There has already been an example of the US military repressing US Citizens - the internment of 120,000 Japanese/Asian Americans in WW2.

NOw we have moved from killing to "repression" (however that gets defined).

Since we know at least one Japanese civilian gave the intel needed to bring about Pearl Harbor

... the fears of spy's crawling all over the country were exaggerated but not unfounded.

Q; why is it we only hear about the Japanese being interned, I thought Germans and Italians were

as well for a while on the east-coast.

Danno the internment of Japanese Americans cannot be defended... period. To defend the internment of innocent civilians by saying that we got actionable intelligence out of it just doesn't fly. You could round up 100 random people & some of them would statistically be criminals, but that doesn't condone the act of rounding them up for no reason.

[nowhereman 1]

Are you arguing your point or mine? Where did muslim extremism come into this?

I'm trying to explain to you that you can't compare what happened in WWI to today because it's apples & oranges. Also in Response to both you and Paul I am not saying that our military is incapable of comitting horrible acts... to make this assertion would be absurd. What I am saying that our soldiers have inherently different beliefs than most other countries because of the values that most Americans grow up with & that the culture of our military is also different than most other militaries. We do have the notion of right & wrong, lawful & unlawful orders, etc. Most non-western militaries don't have these ideals.

Again look up "Army Values" and you will see what I'm taking about... I don't think Al Qaeda has similar values.

But then this kind of contradicts what you were saying about Abu Ghraib. There may well have been incompetent or weak leadership in that situation, but going by what you said earlier shouldn't the individual soldiers have known better? What happened to the individual soldiers' innate moral compass?

They were a bunch of dumbass rednecks from West Virginia

you and i both know that it was a leadership failure, so let's not blame west virginia.

Yea as I said it was largely due to weak leadership, but I'll admit I have a slight bias against rednecks. It was mostly a unit from West Virginia that was responsible and Specialist Grainer & many of the others were rednecks, like it or not. General Karpinski was also a weak general officer & she played a part in it as well. The first line supervisors (squad leader, platoon sergeant, platoon leader) also seemed to be pretty weak as well (I didn't see much troop leading procedures going on from the stories I read).

[nowhereman 1]

I didn't think you were, I just didn't know the relevance, I still am not sure although I think it pertains to differences between armies.

It's difficult, I know, because I believe you think I am insulting you and your service with my views. I am not, in the same way that I don't believe that the ordinary German foot soldier during the second world war was somehow responsible for the actions of their officers and goverment. They did what they could under the circumstances they were presented with and for it many suffered afterwards.

I guess where I am coming from is, everyone should be very, very careful to avoid complacancy. Morality is not always enough to prevent bad things happening.

Morality isn't always enough to prevent bad things from happening... but without it you have no chance.

Something that is completely foreign to the liberal brain. Civilizations and countries were built on it.

We would still be in caves if previous humans behavior and outlook on life was the same as modern post 60's liberals.

Lets face it... on thing that sets our country apart from any other, is....

Rednecks!!!

You know, the ones that cling to their weapons and religion. Good luck going in after them!

actually, that's a stereotype too. one of the biggest "rednecks" i knew didn't like guns nor was she religious.

I agree, Charles. That was a poor attempt at humor, and a shot at Obama’s comments.

I remember some comedian talking about what would happen if some other country would invade someplace in Louisiana, and how there would be a line of pick-up trucks, with a trail of shot gun shells and beer cans behind them... it was pretty funny!

Now replace the word rednecks with n----r and watch how #### hits the fan. Apparently unlike redneck, that is racist and below the belt.

This isn't a conservative/ liberal issue so don't try to make it one... believe me conservatives can be just as guilty for throwing morality out the window as liberals, if not more so (there is a certain close-minded arrogance amongst the far right that is very dangerous to say the least). As for the whole redneck thing yea it's a stereotype & by nature stereotypes are based on exaggeration & half-truths, but I grew up in a small town in upstate NY & I can tell you from first hand experience the stereotype is partially true. As for equating the N word with redneck they are both derogatory but not on the same level... I'd put redneck on the same level as the right wingers put the label "liberal".

Edited October 24, 2008 by nowhereman

[Danno 1,228]

No, it's not about "conservative/liberal" it's about how some Race sensitive remarks are ok to use but others are taboo.

Redneck is a word only meant for white people and usually prefaced with stupid or Dumb.

Liberal on the other hand is often used as a negative but it is not in anyway related to race.

It is all about Politics or ones attitude on social issues.

Terms like Rednecks, Wet Backs and Porch monkeys are race oriented in the primary and class oriented in the secondary.

I would prefer these type remarks would not be part of decent public conversation as your intent to insult one person in fact insults many who you never intended to harm.

The use of these words is so easy that they then are not even used in context.

Such as: Do we know for a fact the soldiers from WV were Red necks or are we just going to call them that because they are white, from WV, and did something we didn't like?

Edited October 24, 2008 by Danno

[nowhereman 1]

No, it's not about "conservative/liberal" it's about how some Race sensitive remarks are ok to use but others are taboo.

Redneck is a word only meant for white people and usually prefaced with stupid or Dumb.

Liberal on the other hand is often used as a negative but it is not in anyway related to race.

It is all about Politics or ones attitude on social issues.

Terms like Rednecks, Wet Backs and Porch monkeys are race oriented in the primary and class oriented in the secondary.

I would prefer these type remarks would not be part of decent public conversation as your intent to insult one person in fact insults many who you never intended to harm.

The use of these words is so easy that they then are not even used in context.

Such as: Do we know for a fact the soldiers from WV were Red necks or are we just going to call them that because they are white, from WV, and did something we didn't like?

Here's Specialist Graner's photo, you be the judge: