Ohio man hangs Obama effigy from noose - says only white Christians should be President

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Consolemaster says: People are entitled to whatever they believe.

So, why be upset at what this man believes? He is entitled to his beliefs and he hasn't hurt anyone by expressing them.

Or, do you really believe that?

If he votes by these beliefs, this is not correct, as they do directly affect others. Best case example today happens to be gay people and women.

Another thing to understand is inciting violence is not part of freedom of speech. If that's what this incident causes, that's a third degree felony.

He has every right to vote by his beliefs, as you do yours. No violence that I've heard of.

You can act in accord with the belief that people are entitled to believe as they do, even if you don't agree, or you don't. If you don't stop pretending that you do and acting otherwise. The contradiction is noticable.

Edited October 19, 2008 by Virtual wife

[IAMX 3,055]

Consolemaster says: People are entitled to whatever they believe.

So, why be upset at what this man believes? He is entitled to his beliefs and he hasn't hurt anyone by expressing them.

Or, do you really believe that?

If he votes by these beliefs, this is not correct, as they do directly affect others. Best case example today happens to be gay people and women.

Another thing to understand is inciting violence is not part of freedom of speech. If that's what this incident causes, that's a third degree felony.

He has every right to vote by his beliefs, as you do yours. No violence that I've heard of.

You can act in accord with the belief that people are entitled to believe as they do, even if you don't agree, or you don't. If you don't stop pretending that you do and acting otherwise. The contradiction is noticable.

Maybe you didn't see the article's image and it being akin to the KKK hanging black people or hanging anything in their yard symbolizing hanging a black person. These are blatant acts of racism that incite violence. So if this guy got his ### beat down he'd have one hurting body and also be a felon at the same time.

Beliefs and acts upon them that directly affect others are two different things. Too bad you purposefully overlook this. Not the least bit surprising.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

By the way, there's no way in hell I vote for either Obama or McCain. Now THAT is in the best interest of the nation.

But unfortunatley it won't matter as one of them will be the next president.

Won't matter to anyone else, because they're busy voting how everyone else is. Some of us have a taste for individuality.

I agree with you that you should vote for who you want, not who everyone else is. But the fact still remains that one of these two is going to be president. Perhaps it would even compel one not to vote for president.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Maybe you didn't see the article's image and it being akin to the KKK hanging black people or hanging anything in their yard symbolizing hanging a black person. These are blatant acts of racism that incite violence. So if this guy got his ### beat down he'd have one hurting body and also be a felon at the same time.

Beliefs and acts upon them that directly affect others are two different things. Too bad you purposefully overlook this. Not the least bit surprising.

Has there been any violence? I haven't heard of any, have you?

I don't get bent out of shape about racism coz I'm not White or Christian. I think insular Whites are more surprised and offended by manifestations of it than many minorities coz they have the burden of showing how unbiased they are. I lived in early 1950's and 60's Virginia, and dealt with segregation and the overt, blatant discrimination that existed before civil rights. I'll not admonish you for thinking you know more about racism than I do, except to say that you probably don't. I'm just past getting upset about passive expressions of it such as this. There are so much more important things going on.

Edited October 19, 2008 by Virtual wife

[IAMX 3,055]

By the way, there's no way in hell I vote for either Obama or McCain. Now THAT is in the best interest of the nation.

But unfortunatley it won't matter as one of them will be the next president.

Won't matter to anyone else, because they're busy voting how everyone else is. Some of us have a taste for individuality.

I agree with you that you should vote for who you want, not who everyone else is. But the fact still remains that one of these two is going to be president. Perhaps it would even compel one not to vote for president.

It would be very nice to have a poll of how many people are actually voting for these two candidates because they feel, of ALL the choices placed on the ballot, they are the best.

From what I've already seen, we're talking well less than half of the people.

Is your goal to buy the best car, or the least worst of most popular choices? Is your goal to get the best SO for you or the least worst of popular choices?

It's a matter of perception, and the perception people have caters exactly to the two major parties in, percentage-wise, them keeping their power. If you're a Democrat or Republican on the ticket, would you be content with your 50% chance? Or would you want to lessen those chances by allowing other parties to gain popularity? Both Democrats and Republicans have perpetuated the "throw your vote away" thing, and the ones it benefits most are the ones who are also screwing you over the most. It's not to say there aren't good Democrats or Republicans, there are some respectable people like Dennis Kucinich and Lincoln Chafee who refused to tow the party line, but this is so extremely rare, and they have been largely discredited by their own parties (Chafee when he was Republican), and they were only used to gain a speaker/majority leader. Even if one would say that they are using these parties to change things, the way Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, have run things, akin to Frist, Hastert, Dachle, DeLay, Gephardt and so on, there is no indication that individuals are going to be respected, and they often tend to be campaigned against, like both Chafee and and Kucinich have been.

[Niels Bohr 72]

You know, in life wherever you go, there are those who will not see where you come from or from what mentality and think they can solve the world's problem single handedly by believing this will fix it.

The purpose of educating on what issues needs to be fixed instead of blindly yielding to the sword of warfare on political madness of who's right and wrong need to be analyzed with complete alertness. For those who think I'm attacking them, I'm not. I simply need a logical, L-O-G-I-C-A-L that needs to be connected through a series of problem solving of which candidate will be the one for office.

For those lacking comprehensive skills and think I'm attacking because of the inability to read. Let me explain this in layman terms.

I've not seen OBAMA on the offensive as much as McCain has brought. What should the US become if we all think in terms of nationalism, or socialism, or whatever...Here we can still have the impeachment process if things get out of hand.

Now, instead of offending one another with condescending pieces. We should logically try to sound out the piece of factual data, instead of the fallacy in the media. Your point obviously will not be heard because of this. Solving a problem requires F-A-C-T-S, not G-U-T F-E-E-L-I-N-G-S.

[IAMX 3,055]

I've not seen OBAMA on the offensive as much as McCain has brought. What should the US become if we all think in terms of nationalism, or socialism, or whatever...Here we can still have the impeachment process if things get out of hand.

You might want to ask Nancy Pelosi what she thinks about the impeachment process. Evidently, high crimes takes a back seat to election-year schemes.

Edited October 19, 2008 by SRVT

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I've not seen OBAMA on the offensive as much as McCain has brought. What should the US become if we all think in terms of nationalism, or socialism, or whatever...Here we can still have the impeachment process if things get out of hand.

Now, instead of offending one another with condescending pieces. We should logically try to sound out the piece of factual data, instead of the fallacy in the media. Your point obviously will not be heard because of this. Solving a problem requires F-A-C-T-S, not G-U-T F-E-E-L-I-N-G-S.

Your first paragraph there contradicts the next. There is no fact in how you subjectively see Obama, only gut feelings. I, in contrast to you, don't see how offensive one is in relation to the other as a valid measure. Obama is smooth and hypnotic. People like to hear him but they don't analyze what he says. He has the mainstream media fawning over him so hard they practically go orgazmic.

How many magazine covers have you seen praising McCain, how much he loves his wife Cindy, doling out her advice on marriage and family? Every time I've gone into a bookstore for several months now, there Barack or Michelle or both are on the covers of multiple magazines beaming with positive headlines describing some admirable virtue designed to make us want to buy and read more about them. It's ridiculous and totally unprofessional how the media has behaved in this race.

It's all about stirring up emotion around the candidates - negative for McCain and favorable for Obama. Now, they expect to convince us that Obama will win, may as well give up, and some conservatives foolishly have. Maybe he will, but it willhardly be fair or on the basis of his ability and experience, for that he is undeserving. But, I don't limit myself to the emotional hyperbole of the liberal media, which makes me untrustworthy among those who do.

Edited October 19, 2008 by Virtual wife

[Niels Bohr 72]

I've not seen OBAMA on the offensive as much as McCain has brought. What should the US become if we all think in terms of nationalism, or socialism, or whatever...Here we can still have the impeachment process if things get out of hand.

Now, instead of offending one another with condescending pieces. We should logically try to sound out the piece of factual data, instead of the fallacy in the media. Your point obviously will not be heard because of this. Solving a problem requires F-A-C-T-S, not G-U-T F-E-E-L-I-N-G-S.

Your first paragraph there contradicts the next. There is no fact in how you subjectively see Obama, only gut feelings. I, in contrast to you, don't see how offensive one is in relation to the other as a valid measure. Obama is smooth and hypnotic. People like to hear him but they don't analyze what he says. He has the mainstream media fawning over him so hard they practically go orgazmic.

How many magazine covers have you seen praising McCain, how much he loves his wife Cindy, doling out her advice on marriage and family? Every time I've gone into a bookstore for several months now, there Barack or Michelle or both are on the covers of multiple magazines beaming with positive headlines describing some admirable virtue designed to make us want to buy and read more about them. It's ridiculous and totally unprofessional how the media has behaved in this race.

It's all about stirring up emotion around the candidates - negative for McCain and favorable for Obama. Now, they expect to convince us that Obama will win, may as well give up, and some conservatives foolishly have. Maybe he will, but it willhardly be fair or on the basis of his ability and experience, for that he is undeserving. But, I don't limit myself to the emotional hyperbole of the liberal media, which makes me untrustworthy among those who do.

You see where I mentioned that gut feelings leads to disaster. You need to prove yourself why OBAMA shouldn't run for office. I need to prove myself why McCain should run for office. After all, a person who went to school knows how to evaluate such foolishness as not to realize facts. Maybe if you take a step back from me promoting OBAMA realize the difference between what generalists always assume to be true.

Edited October 19, 2008 by consolemaster

[nowhereman 1]

Someone check to see if Kaydee lives in Florida.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Palin hanging in effigy was considered to be a joke until the Secret Service showed up.

[akdiver 3]

A racist guy? In America??? No way!!!

[nowhereman 1]

Palin hanging in effigy was considered to be a joke until the Secret Service showed up.

Put both of these douchebags in a locked cage & let them tear each other apart.

[Ling Ling 22]

Palin hanging in effigy was considered to be a joke until the Secret Service showed up.

That's exactly what I said when that picture came out..."not funny, and should be treated as a death threat."

TRUCE

[natty bumppo 297]

Someone check to see if Kaydee lives in Florida.

dude you're sick ... to dredge up old threads like this ... do you need a life or what ....