YESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!

[Together4ever 1]

I've got you both tightly in my prayers. You know it's not right that something as simple as a misunderstanding can cause this much trouble. If you think about it, if the thugs at customs had allowed the situation to be clarified, it would have not only saved on the heart break, it would have also saved tax payer dollars (you know that thing that motivates the government) spent on the time and resources consumed on their stupid interrogations and sending him back.

You will get this straightened out enshaa Allah and my heart is bleeding for the both of you but don't give up hope. There is much ignorance in this country toward Islam and the apes simply did not understand.

[Jenn! 918]

There is much ignorance in this country toward Islam and the apes simply did not understand.

As much as I agree with what you said above, I think anyone who referred to their wife while entering on a K1 would be refused.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

UPDATE::

Yasin faxed his deportation papers to me and the reason for deportation is the fact that Yasin told them that I was his muslim wife "a big no-no". The CBP thought that we were committing fraud because he had a K1 visa. In Islam, I am in fact consider his wife among the community, but legally I do not have any documentations of this. I would have petition the K3 visa versus the K1, but one of the requirements for the K3 is a legal document of marriage or a marriage license, which I do not have neither. Last year, I went to the mosque and told the Imam that my K1 visa petion was denied because I had not met my fiance face-to fae. He told me that it was unislamic for me to met him without a chaperone. At that tiime, I did not have a chaperone to go with me. Therefore, I made an agreement in front of 4 witnesses, with Yasin on the telephone that I agree to marry him and vice-versa. After this verbal agreement the Imam told me that I was free to travel and do as I wish with Yasin, because he is considered my husband.

When the CBP told Yasin that he was getting deported, he did understand the reasons and was very upset. I assume they gave him the options to deport himself without getting the 5 year banned and he refused because he did not understand why they were deporting him. He requested for them to call me or get him a translator to help him understand this entire mess. He was told, that his english was good enough, therefore they had no other options but to deport him, with a 5 year banned to the uSA. I wished t hey would have allowed him to call me or give him a translator. I even called the immigrations several times that day and beg for them to allow me to help and they told me that everything was fine and they did not have any problems with paper. They intentionally did not want me to help him.

I spoke to an attorney and she said that it is an unfortunate event, because my fiance did not understand that wife in his contry means something different in our country. The word fiance is "greek" to him. The attorney said that she will try to help us, but she can't promise to left the 5 year ban.

Please keep us in your prayers.

Wow! Just what I asked in my PM to you the other day, goldenheart. That's unfortunate. At least now you know what your course of action will be with the immigration attorney. Keep your chin up

[meauxna 15]

There is much ignorance in this country toward Islam and the apes simply did not understand.

Apes? Ignorance?

Pot, Kettle?

[diadromous mermaid 36]

to meauxna!

In all fairness, I don't think it had anything to do with a lack of understanding on the part of the POE agent, but rather on the OP's fiancé. It's unfortunate, but that's the facts.

Edited June 1, 2006 by diadromous mermaid

[meauxna 15]

to meauxna!

In all fairness, I don't think it had anything to do with a lack of understanding on the part of the POE agent, but rather on the OP's fiancé. It's unfortunate, but that's the facts.

One of the biggest drawbacks to the Regional Forums is that people don't read about processes in other countries. It's from reading a broad range of experiences that you and I are aware that fiances get tripped up at the POE for this very reason (calling each other spouse instead of fiance) or have problems arising from 'non legal' marriage ceremonies.

I'm afraid for the OP that it will be a drawn out process to resolve it all.

[AInfante-Saraireh 0]

I'm sorry, fiance, wife, girlfriend, boyfriend, whatever, they had no right to do what they did to him as far as deporting him and not giving him a translator. Many men call their fiances wifes, and many women call their fiances husbands. He came to marry her anyway, so what was the big deal? This is very unfortunate and very unfair to both parties involved. This is a great hardship on both of them and my heart goes out to them. This can happen to any of us, regardless of the fiance/wife thing. Maybe they would find another way to pick on our husbands or wives entering the U.S. Unbelievable!

[diadromous mermaid 36]

I'm sorry, fiance, wife, girlfriend, boyfriend, whatever, they had no right to do what they did to him as far as deporting him and not giving him a translator. Many men call their fiances wifes, and many women call their fiances husbands. He came to marry her anyway, so what was the big deal? This is very unfortunate and very unfair to both parties involved. This is a great hardship on both of them and my heart goes out to them. This can happen to any of us, regardless of the fiance/wife thing. Maybe they would find another way to pick on our husbands or wives entering the U.S. Unbelievable!

While I agree it has placed goldenheart's case in a complicated position, it's not so unbelievable, and if you consider the purpose of a K-1 visa, then you should understand how a little "trip up" like this can occur. He was deported, yes, due to not understanding the Form 869 (?) but his expedited removal was a result of his mistake. I'm sensitive to the stress that goldenheart and her fiancé are under, and it is terribly sad to see, but they had options and chose K-1. Unfortunately, according to islam custom, perhaps that was not the route that was most appropriate for them. It's just sad all the way around, but through no real fault of the POE agent. He or she was doing their job.

[babybunny 2]

I'm sorry, fiance, wife, girlfriend, boyfriend, whatever, they had no right to do what they did to him as far as deporting him and not giving him a translator. Many men call their fiances wifes, and many women call their fiances husbands. He came to marry her anyway, so what was the big deal? This is very unfortunate and very unfair to both parties involved. This is a great hardship on both of them and my heart goes out to them. This can happen to any of us, regardless of the fiance/wife thing. Maybe they would find another way to pick on our husbands or wives entering the U.S. Unbelievable!

While I agree it has placed goldenheart's case in a complicated position, it's not so unbelievable, and if you consider the purpose of a K-1 visa, then you should understand how a little "trip up" like this can occur. He was deported, yes, due to not understanding the Form 869 (?) but his expedited removal was a result of his mistake. I'm sensitive to the stress that goldenheart and her fiancé are under, and it is terribly sad to see, but they had options and chose K-1. Unfortunately, according to islam custom, perhaps that was not the route that was most appropriate for them. It's just sad all the way around, but through no real fault of the POE agent. He or she was doing their job.

I agree with this..

for the longest time I did not understand why marry. but call it just a religous ceremony and call it not real.

I still cant understand it. I think people are under the assumption if you dont registar the marriage then it did not happen. I think thats what happend.

[Bosco 1]

I agree with this..

for the longest time I did not understand why marry. but call it just a religous ceremony and call it not real.

I still cant understand it. I think people are under the assumption if you dont registar the marriage then it did not happen. I think thats what happend.

Our local mosque stopped performing Islamic only marriages and will only do the civil and Islamic together - or you have to show you have already had the civil done. Too many problems... some men marrying for "temporary" marriages, other issues with courts not honoring marriage contracts if the marriage ends, and other headaches they would prefer to avoid.

It is a tough situation for Golden Heart and I hope it can be resolved.

Rebecca

[UmmSqueakster 54]

I have an older version of this book (2001 or 2002) I think, and in it the author says it's a-ok for a couple to be religiously/culturally married and apply for a k-1 visa. The author also says it's ok to let the USCIS/counslate know this during the visa process. Perhaps a few years ago this was ok, since it appears that some immigration lawyers and authors still give that advice.

Is this addressed in the guides/visa faqs at the top of the page? I know my husband and I were religiously married in Egypt prior to doing the K-1, but after the advice from the forum here, we were quite careful to only refer to ourselves as fiances (since we were in the legal sense).

[Jenn! 918]

Is this addressed in the guides/visa faqs at the top of the page? I know my husband and I were religiously married in Egypt prior to doing the K-1, but after the advice from the forum here, we were quite careful to only refer to ourselves as fiances (since we were in the legal sense).

I think that is the issue here. It's not that it's not permitted to have the non-legal ceremony, but referring to your fiancee as your wife is a big no-no.

[a1angied 0]

I am so sorry to hear this and I will keep you both in my prayers. My heart goes out to you and you have to be a great woman to hold it together as well as you are I think I would be locked up in a mental hospital.

[UmmSqueakster 54]

Is this addressed in the guides/visa faqs at the top of the page? I know my husband and I were religiously married in Egypt prior to doing the K-1, but after the advice from the forum here, we were quite careful to only refer to ourselves as fiances (since we were in the legal sense).

I think that is the issue here. It's not that it's not permitted to have the non-legal ceremony, but referring to your fiancee as your wife is a big no-no.

From what I've seen lately, any wiff of anything remotely marriage like can be the death knell of a K-1 visa. There was a couple from India that had an elaborate engagement ceremony that the consulate thought looked marriage like. Even though they weren't married in the least, not even culturally or religiously, their case was still held up for deeper investigations.

Hopefully a good lawyer can resolve this situation, although I wouldn't stay with the lawyer who gave the faulty advice in the first place (ie the one who adviced the filing of a hardship meeting waiver, etc).

[kerewin21 2]

I'm so sorry this slip of the tongue has landed you such difficulties I really hope the lawyer can do something to help you out.