YESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE

[rushter 0]

Well perhaps those attempting to analyze the situation should look carefully at the timeline? As the USCIS and DOS is paid to do?

(If you disagree with me on the 'appearance' of the whole thing, then fine, but something(s) just don't make any sense here).

July 31, 2004- USCIS received my petition

April 12, 2005 - Petition and Waiver to meeting face to face are denied

(This should have never happened, much less applied for IMO).

THE NEW JOURNEY HAS BEGUN

April 19-26, 2005- Visit in Germany (first time ever)

..... (snip).....

Aug 29, 2005- DS230 and another form was returned to my fiance for completion

Sep 1, 2005- My fiance returned everything

October 28,2005 -Administrative Review

(So what was the reason for Administrative Review? Any info in it?)

November 7-15, 2005- Vacation in Germany

December 21, 2005- Contact my Senator again.

JAN 2006- Decided to send an email to the Consulate and received a reply that our application is still pending.

FEB 27, 2006- I wrote another letter to the Senator again

MAR, 2006- I called the Consulate and received information that my fiance had a scheduled interview for Feb 20, 2006 and failed to show-up

Your kidding me right? Failed to show up?

MARCH 18-30 - MY THIRD VISIT TO GERMANY

You're certainly paying YOUR dues in this effort...

MARCH 20, 2006- Interview

MARCH 29, 2006- we turned in everything for them to process the visa, they promise it will take 10 days

VISA IN HAND!!!!!!!!!

Then shonjaved chimes in:

let me say this Atlanta is the worst POE for Muslim immigrants.

Ok.... So this fellow is a muslim. (Really? I can't see where it was previously indicated anywhere).

He refused to sign a biographical information form at the poe, and was subsequently denied entry.... needed a translator???

Hunh?

I would have to say on it's face, it's obvious that it's not immigration law compliance that's the issue, but whether the person intends to comply with immigration law, or comply with the laws of the usa.

First by applying for the no meet face to face thing... Good Gawd, that alone takes an act of congress to pull off - you obviously solved the problem by travelling to meet him instead - SEVEN DAYS after the denial? It's not like it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that the waiver was bogus in the first place since you went to meet him so quickly thereafter.

Second was that he allegedly didn't show up for a scheduled interview in his home country. After you had petitioned him... (The only real reason I could imagine someone missing this interview is a death in the family or the death of the beneficiary! - but at least they would reschedule the thing!)

Third he refused to sign a biographic information form at the port of entry. And he needed an interpreter.

Who did what wrong here?

Hell I'm no big fan of immigration legislation, but this pattern of behaviour is literally spitting in the face of the folks that are employed to enforce it.

All I can see are red flags.

Why did this behaviour take place to begin with? Why on earth did you attempt to petition to avoid meeting face to face?

Go ahead burn me to the ground for my comments, but something just stinks here.

[sarah and hicham 3]

oohlala

[lisaf 0]

Go ahead burn me to the ground for my comments, but something just stinks here.

As the saying goes " if it looks like a duck....."

I wouldn't flame you brother rushter, your post mirrored everything I was thinking. I don't like to post opinions about people's lives in off topic, but I do take an interest when a thread has a hint of fraudulence to it ( I hope for the OP it is not) as people's behaviour affects how we will all be judged and treated in the future.

As you mentioned, not showing up for the interview is BIZARRE to say the least. Not even 10 slobbering dobermans surrounding the consulate would keep me from the one step that will take me to my fiance! If the OP doesn't mind, Im all agog to hear how that came about? Please fill us in on the circumstances that led to his no-show.

hmmm , interesting that someone mentioned drugs along this thread. That could cause someone to miss an appointment???

Sorry for the speculation, I truly sympathize with you goldenheart, I pray you do not become " brokenheart' it seems you've been doing all the work here.

good luck.

[babybunny 2]

Well perhaps those attempting to analyze the situation should look carefully at the timeline? As the USCIS and DOS is paid to do?

(If you disagree with me on the 'appearance' of the whole thing, then fine, but something(s) just don't make any sense here).

July 31, 2004- USCIS received my petition

April 12, 2005 - Petition and Waiver to meeting face to face are denied

(This should have never happened, much less applied for IMO).

THE NEW JOURNEY HAS BEGUN

April 19-26, 2005- Visit in Germany (first time ever)

..... (snip).....

Aug 29, 2005- DS230 and another form was returned to my fiance for completion

Sep 1, 2005- My fiance returned everything

October 28,2005 -Administrative Review

(So what was the reason for Administrative Review? Any info in it?)

November 7-15, 2005- Vacation in Germany

December 21, 2005- Contact my Senator again.

JAN 2006- Decided to send an email to the Consulate and received a reply that our application is still pending.

FEB 27, 2006- I wrote another letter to the Senator again

MAR, 2006- I called the Consulate and received information that my fiance had a scheduled interview for Feb 20, 2006 and failed to show-up

Your kidding me right? Failed to show up?

MARCH 18-30 - MY THIRD VISIT TO GERMANY

You're certainly paying YOUR dues in this effort...

MARCH 20, 2006- Interview

MARCH 29, 2006- we turned in everything for them to process the visa, they promise it will take 10 days

VISA IN HAND!!!!!!!!!

Then shonjaved chimes in:

let me say this Atlanta is the worst POE for Muslim immigrants.

Ok.... So this fellow is a muslim. (Really? I can't see where it was previously indicated anywhere).

He refused to sign a biographical information form at the poe, and was subsequently denied entry.... needed a translator???

Hunh?

I would have to say on it's face, it's obvious that it's not immigration law compliance that's the issue, but whether the person intends to comply with immigration law, or comply with the laws of the usa.

First by applying for the no meet face to face thing... Good Gawd, that alone takes an act of congress to pull off - you obviously solved the problem by travelling to meet him instead - SEVEN DAYS after the denial? It's not like it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that the waiver was bogus in the first place since you went to meet him so quickly thereafter.

Second was that he allegedly didn't show up for a scheduled interview in his home country. After you had petitioned him... (The only real reason I could imagine someone missing this interview is a death in the family or the death of the beneficiary! - but at least they would reschedule the thing!)

Third he refused to sign a biographic information form at the port of entry. And he needed an interpreter.

Who did what wrong here?

Hell I'm no big fan of immigration legislation, but this pattern of behaviour is literally spitting in the face of the folks that are employed to enforce it.

All I can see are red flags.

Why did this behaviour take place to begin with? Why on earth did you attempt to petition to avoid meeting face to face?

Go ahead burn me to the ground for my comments, but something just stinks here.

listion IDIOT!@ zz

1st.. her time line is not off..

2nd POE is very harsh on muslims in ATL. 2 hour interrogation on all muslims is not acceptable!

along with a call from POE to question the USC is not acceptable either!

3rd.. there are NO red flags when a VISA is issued!

4th .. Admin review can happen to anyone! including you! - its security checks

5th .. just because the interview was missed did not mean her husband did anything wrong.

they never got the orginal letter. she dont have to get in details a

6th.. get a life you certainly need one.

[goldenheart 0]

Well perhaps those attempting to analyze the situation should look carefully at the timeline? As the USCIS and DOS is paid to do?

(If you disagree with me on the 'appearance' of the whole thing, then fine, but something(s) just don't make any sense here).

July 31, 2004- USCIS received my petition

April 12, 2005 - Petition and Waiver to meeting face to face are denied

(This should have never happened, much less applied for IMO).

THE NEW JOURNEY HAS BEGUN

April 19-26, 2005- Visit in Germany (first time ever)

..... (snip).....

Aug 29, 2005- DS230 and another form was returned to my fiance for completion

Sep 1, 2005- My fiance returned everything

October 28,2005 -Administrative Review

(So what was the reason for Administrative Review? Any info in it?)

November 7-15, 2005- Vacation in Germany

December 21, 2005- Contact my Senator again.

JAN 2006- Decided to send an email to the Consulate and received a reply that our application is still pending.

FEB 27, 2006- I wrote another letter to the Senator again

MAR, 2006- I called the Consulate and received information that my fiance had a scheduled interview for Feb 20, 2006 and failed to show-up

Your kidding me right? Failed to show up?

MARCH 18-30 - MY THIRD VISIT TO GERMANY

You're certainly paying YOUR dues in this effort...

MARCH 20, 2006- Interview

MARCH 29, 2006- we turned in everything for them to process the visa, they promise it will take 10 days

VISA IN HAND!!!!!!!!!

Then shonjaved chimes in:

let me say this Atlanta is the worst POE for Muslim immigrants.

Ok.... So this fellow is a muslim. (Really? I can't see where it was previously indicated anywhere).

He refused to sign a biographical information form at the poe, and was subsequently denied entry.... needed a translator???

Hunh?

I would have to say on it's face, it's obvious that it's not immigration law compliance that's the issue, but whether the person intends to comply with immigration law, or comply with the laws of the usa.

First by applying for the no meet face to face thing... Good Gawd, that alone takes an act of congress to pull off - you obviously solved the problem by travelling to meet him instead - SEVEN DAYS after the denial? It's not like it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that the waiver was bogus in the first place since you went to meet him so quickly thereafter.

Second was that he allegedly didn't show up for a scheduled interview in his home country. After you had petitioned him... (The only real reason I could imagine someone missing this interview is a death in the family or the death of the beneficiary! - but at least they would reschedule the thing!)

Third he refused to sign a biographic information form at the port of entry. And he needed an interpreter.

Who did what wrong here?

Hell I'm no big fan of immigration legislation, but this pattern of behaviour is literally spitting in the face of the folks that are employed to enforce it.

All I can see are red flags.

Why did this behaviour take place to begin with? Why on earth did you attempt to petition to avoid meeting face to face?

Go ahead burn me to the ground for my comments, but something just stinks here.

Rushter,

I altered my timeline, because I did not have room to explain everything in detail. Most people on the VJ has PM me or went through this journey with me. They understand my timeline perfectly because they walk the journey with me.

To answer your questions:

1. We decided to apply for a visa without meeting face to face because a muslim lawyer advised us to do so, because according to islamic laws (btw, I'm muslim) a man and woman are not allowed to be alone without a chaperone. At the time, I could not find anyone to travel to Germany with me. Therefore, I came on VJ and ask the question to the panel. Many people responded and told me that I would get a denial soon because it is imperative that I meet the 2 year requirement. Therefore, I islamically agreed to marry this man through our local mosque March (his brother -n-law) was the proxy. After the islamic agreement I was free to travel and be with him "without being labeled a fornicator" in my community and before the eyes of God. (IF YOU DON"T AGREE WITH THE ISLAMIC PRACTICES, THEN PLEASE DON"T BASH IT"

Secondly, When he did not show up for his visa appointment, it was because he never received the invite letter! We did not know he had an appointment until I called the Congressman and later called the Embassy and was told he had an invitation and failed to show up!!! As most of you know, I WENT CRAZY!!!

As for signing a biographic form....I did not say it was a biographic form. My fiance said that they wanted him to sign a form, but he did not understand the content of the form. He requested a translator and they refused. Also, I called the Immigration and asked them to give him a translator and they did not know anything about a form.

BTW, If you are not here to provide advise, please do not kick me when I'm down..There are several people on ths site that have been with me through this journey since 2004 and some new ones recently (i.e. myfellah, nyseness,Almighty, shonjaved, iceyspot)

FURTHERMORE, I AM A DISABLE VET AND A FEDERAL EMPLOYEE...FRAUD IS SOMETHING I WOULD NEVER DO TO JEOPORDIZE MY CAREER OR BE DISLOYALED TO MY COUNTRY.

The only thing I'm guilty of is loving a man that happen to be from the Middle East. SHOOT ME!

Also, I appreciate the advice of those that are trying to help thank you and my God reward you.

This sounds like something different, but back in March/April of 2002 the INS at the Detroit Airport were turning away people with valid visas because the petition had expired and the embassy hadn't officially revalidated it.

This was my first thought too.

I also see your time line is a little bumby. Let me just ask this one honest question. Are you absoultly sure he did go to the interview and did receive his K1 visa? I am sure he told you he went, but do you know for sure? Did you contact the consulate and ask if indeed the K1 visa was indeed issued? I only ask this because if he tried to come over on a visitor visa, I could certainly see why he was turned back with a ban.

I do not mean to imply anything here, just trying to help you eliminate possible questions, as there seems to be more to this that you do not know about.

Yes, he and I both went to the interview together. Yes, he got the K1 visa because I have a copy of the visa.

I appreciate your sincere questions. Thanks.

[Jaylen Brit 0]

Damn girl..I'm sorry to hear of your troubles

100% agree that first and foremost you need to find out WHY he was denied entry and go from there.

I really hope its sorted for you quickly - sounds like this has been a bit of a nightmare journey so far

[rushter 0]

listion IDIOT!@ zz

I love it!

Well, something wasn't right. They found (or decided) that something wasn't right... He got turned back.

This is a real sad situation for you but have you examined all of the possibilities that would turn a person around at the POE? You are blaming YOURSELF, and you shouldn't be.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

Gaining entry to the USA, with or without a visa, with or without permanent residency for that matter is discretionary. POE agents have the right to turn back a person even if they are bearing a valid form of identification and documentation. More information is needed from the OP's fiance as to the particular circumstances, information exchanged with POEs, in my opinion, to better assess if a mistake has been made.

[Meriem_DZ 37]

This makes my heart ache for you. I hope and pray for a quick resolution to this terrible situation. Inshallah you will be together soon. I would contact the embassy and an attorney as soon as possible.

Hasbia laahho wa nemal wakeel

Meriem

[MaryandMian 1]

Goldenheart,

Ishteaq came thru Atlanta and it was hellish experience. I will say that I would contact my congressman now. I am not sure what you can do once he is deported. I just woke Mian up and he said they handed him some forms and was told to sign them. He had no idea and they were grilling him the whole time with questions. He signed it and that he does not have any idea what he signed.

I have to say if you are Muslim you will not have easy POE especially in Atlanta. Look at the canadians and others that come and go through with only one or no questions asked. We were in AP hell for long time and they are obligiatated to check our SO out when they arrive but interrogations after long checks and field investigations to me is not fair.

I can only say you will need a waiver for him to come back into the states. I would contact all senators and congressmen in your area immediately and a lawyer too. I am so very sorry and know the terror you felt I felt the same one week ago today. When they call me rudely and when I asked if he was okay hung up the phone on me. They would not let him call me and I was lucky that somone let him call me as I was headed to the airport to tell me he had finished POE.

Big Big Hugs,

Mary

[AlmostMex 0]

My heart goes out to both of you. I think he was right not to sign the papers. If he signed them, he would be admitting to whatever they had documented on those papers.

My husband was detained and interrogated for 6 hours, and they told him if he'd just sign the papers they'd let him go home and I could file papers for him and he'd be able to come back in right away (blatent lie) He was so desperate and scared by that time to get out of there that he did sign the papers even though what the papers said wasn't true (and he couldn't understand them because they were in ENglish and at that time he only spoke Spanish). They gave him a 5 year ban too. Multiple lawyers told us it would have been better for him to not have signed the papers even though he would have been deported, as he wouldn't have admitted anything which could have given us a legal leg to stand on, but because he signed them, he inadvertently admitted guilt, and we would have to file a waiver or wait out the 5 year ban. We chose to wait it out because we heard/thought the waivers were impossible to get (which also wasn't true - they're approved every day in Juarez).

I don't have much advice, except I hope that it's some hope/consolation to you that your fiance probably did the right thing by not signing their papers.

[goldenheart 0]

My heart goes out to both of you. I think he was right not to sign the papers. If he signed them, he would be admitting to whatever they had documented on those papers.

My husband was detained and interrogated for 6 hours, and they told him if he'd just sign the papers they'd let him go home and I could file papers for him and he'd be able to come back in right away (blatent lie) He was so desperate and scared by that time to get out of there that he did sign the papers even though what the papers said wasn't true (and he couldn't understand them because they were in ENglish and at that time he only spoke Spanish). They gave him a 5 year ban too. Multiple lawyers told us it would have been better for him to not have signed the papers even though he would have been deported, as he wouldn't have admitted anything which could have given us a legal leg to stand on, but because he signed them, he inadvertently admitted guilt, and we would have to file a waiver or wait out the 5 year ban. We chose to wait it out because we heard/thought the waivers were impossible to get (which also wasn't true - they're approved every day in Juarez).

I don't have much advice, except I hope that it's some hope/consolation to you that your fiance probably did the right thing by not signing their papers.

Thank you....eventhough you feel you did not have any advice for me. You sharing your story helped me a lot. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

Goldenheart,

Ishteaq came thru Atlanta and it was hellish experience. I will say that I would contact my congressman now. I am not sure what you can do once he is deported. I just woke Mian up and he said they handed him some forms and was told to sign them. He had no idea and they were grilling him the whole time with questions. He signed it and that he does not have any idea what he signed.

I have to say if you are Muslim you will not have easy POE especially in Atlanta. Look at the canadians and others that come and go through with only one or no questions asked. We were in AP hell for long time and they are obligiatated to check our SO out when they arrive but interrogations after long checks and field investigations to me is not fair.

I can only say you will need a waiver for him to come back into the states. I would contact all senators and congressmen in your area immediately and a lawyer too. I am so very sorry and know the terror you felt I felt the same one week ago today. When they call me rudely and when I asked if he was okay hung up the phone on me. They would not let him call me and I was lucky that somone let him call me as I was headed to the airport to tell me he had finished POE.

Big Big Hugs,

Mary

Thanks Marry,

I guess if he would have just signed the papers and shut up he would be home now. Again, he asked for a translator to help him with the papers and they told him that he speak perfect english. He just wanted to know what he was signing.

Thanks for sharing your story with me. May Allah reward you and your family for helping a sister in need.

[Yodrak 7]

goldenheart,

I don't know the background of your fiance's case, but based on the forum where you seem to spend most of your time it is not a case that could be classified as 'simple' or 'straightforward'. When you find out the reason why he was not admitted check with your attorney.

Yodrak

Hello All VJ's

Yesterday my honey was to arrive to Denver via POE Atlanta. But he never arrived!

I was in complete hysteric and attempt to call him on his cellular throughout the night. Needless to say, he called me at 4 am this morning to tell me that he has been detained and pending deportation.

I asked him why? and he said that they wanted him to sign a document, but they did not tell him the content of the document and he refused to sign it. They kept him in detention for 27 hours before deporting him. He said he do not know where they will be taking him because they confiscated his passport and visa. I called the immigration and they told me that they could not provide me with information, due to the Privacy Act. They said that I must talk to my fiance. My fiance called me soon after to tell me that he was leaving Atlanta in 10 minutes and I asked him a ton of questions but the officer behind him threathen to hang up the phone if he answered my questions. BTW, my fiance said they told him that he is ban from the USA for 5 years!!!!

I'm at a lost here and I do not know what to do!!!! Can someone provide me with some guidance here. I feel after all of my hard work, I failed in getting my honey home and now his life is totally screwed because of me

[lisaf 0]

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FURTHERMORE, I AM A DISABLE VET AND A FEDERAL EMPLOYEE...FRAUD IS SOMETHING I WOULD NEVER DO TO JEOPORDIZE MY CAREER OR BE DISLOYALED TO MY COUNTRY.

goldenheart,

I would never have considered you of acting fraudulently. I was worried FOR you ( based on the earlier info) that perhaps your fiance had originally entered the relationship for non -genuine reasons, and somewhere changed his mind, as the circumstances seemed kind of self-sabotaging. Had this been the case, I was angry FOR you!

Your last post made things clearer. Again I hope you can get help and sort out this devastating mess.

[TracyTN 237]

So, is it some kind of 'standard practice' in Atlanta to give Muslim K visa holders a hard time, and to make them sign something they won't let them see? What is going on with that? Do they have the legal right to make them sign something, sight unseen, or threaten them with deportation? Something stinks to high heaven here.

I always claimed that airport was the entrance to hell - turns out I was right!