first graders take field trip to same sex marriage

[Chica Yeyé 41]

wow, pretty judgmental..and a Bible is not required to be used in a wedding..as there is still some separation of church and state, still left..

you don't say

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Yesterday, I was trying to find out more to this story as I'm typically skeptical about Fox News giving 'just the facts.'

Ohhhhhhhhh....it sure helps to dig a little deeper to find the real story...and here it is....and thanks Fox...a bastion of high quality journalism.

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Class surprises lesbian teacher on wedding day

Jill Tucker, Chronicle Staff Writer

A group of San Francisco first-graders took an unusual field trip to City Hall on Friday to toss rose petals on their just-married lesbian teacher - putting the public school children at the center of a fierce election battle over the fate of same-sex marriage.

The 18 Creative Arts Charter School students took a Muni bus and walked a block at noon to toss rose petals and blow bubbles on their just-married teacher Erin Carder and her wife Kerri McCoy, giggling and squealing as they mobbed their teacher with hugs.

Mayor Gavin Newsom, a friend of a friend, officiated.

A parent came up with the idea for the field trip - a surprise for the teacher on her wedding day.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/11/MNFG13F1VG.DTL

[bhajishah 4]

Oh helll noo not the first graderss!!

[Peikko 1,575]

The parent is a moron - school trips to suprise the teacher at her wedding? Please that's not any better.

[DeadPoolX 9]

Steven, if you had bothered to actually READ the article, instead of merely glancing at what was posted on here, you'd have seen the second paragraph of the news story, where FOX News clearly states that a parent planned the field trip to surprise the teacher.

I doubt that matters, however. Why let meaningless little things such as "facts" get in the way of an opportunity to bash FOX News yet again, right?

Edited October 15, 2008 by DeadPoolX

[akdiver 3]

Who planned the trip does not matter in the slightest.

If the students are there during school hours, with the consent of school officials, it is a school field trip and is completely inappropriate - again - no matter WHOSE wedding it is.

[Chris & Mara 0]

I suppose it is a case of reading all the information.

How long was the Field trip?

Did all the parents who kids went ok it?

Did the school ok it?

Let's face it, had the story gone "Caring mothers of a 1st grade class took there children too help celebrate their teacher's wedding and show their support during the class's half an hour lunch break" people would be much less concerned.

However not all the facts are there. The school believed that there were great learning opportunites here, as a first grade class yes there are, from going to a wedding they could write a journal entry on what accured at the wedding, count how many people were there, they can calculate how far from the school it was, how long it took them to get there, they can create art pieces to show the ceremony and write a caption, they can write letters to their teacher about what they thought of the ceremony, they can look at weddings from different cultures and compare what "looked" different.

Sadly what is considered "educational" at grade one level during the early developmental stages of the brain, is often not sensable or practical. Students need real life experiences to base their learning around, their attention span is that of approximately 9 minutes.

I am not going to say that I support taking them to a wedding however I can see where educational moments can come from it, also I doubt very much that they missed the full 6 hours of learning that field trips take, working out how long a normal ceremony takes in and the concept that nobody is going to drive for an hour with a mini bus full of 1st graders they probably missed an hour of school tops.

In the end this wasn't the teacher's idea, there was no point in that story where it says "hey i wanna take my first grade class to my wedding", it was the parents idea, and if a parent decides that their kid is going to miss school to head to the skatebowl for the day, that is what will happen, schools have no say when it comes to what mum wants. Besides had the school not permitted the trip and every parent of that class had pulled their child out of class for the entire day for this wedding, then would that not have had a greater negative impact on these students learning?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Steven, if you had bothered to actually READ the article, instead of merely glancing at what was posted on here, you'd have seen the second paragraph of the news story, where FOX News clearly states that a parent planned the field trip to surprise the teacher.

I doubt that matters, however. Why let meaningless little things such as "facts" get in the way of an opportunity to bash FOX News yet again, right?

They did not represent the actual facts accurately. The idea to surprise their teacher was from one of the parents. The teacher had not invited the students. That said, I don't think it was an appropriate thing to do during school time. However, to suggest that the school had decided this was a way to indoctrinate the students is beyond ridiculous. The teacher's students probably had already known that she was a lesbian and was getting married to another woman. I distinctly remember my teachers sharing with us pictures and information about their families and some of them even had their spouses and children in the classroom from time to time.

Also, living in California and particularly in OC, I've been seeing a lot of 'Yes on 8' bumper stickers. There is popular support for Prop. 8 which will try to ban gay marriage through an amendment to the state constitution. I believe that the courts will over-rule it as unconstitutional, as they should, but you should see the ads on TV that claim if gay marriage remains legal, children will be 'taught' in schools that the gay lifestyle is acceptable. It's absurd beyond belief that people disguise their bigotry as religious convictions. It's a perversion of what Christianity is about.

Edited October 15, 2008 by Jabberwocky

[Niels Bohr 72]

That charter school is promoting people in Arts? Really? Goodluck getting a job in the future.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that since studying any kind of art helps develop brain activity and it doesn't necessarily mean that they will end up being artists, musicians and actors.

Take me for example, I majored in Theater and have an excellent job that I love in a great company. I also have several friends who are currently working actors in New York, some in Chicago and others in LA doing commercials, movies and T.V. So there's nothing wrong with promoting education in Arts at all.

Diana

Really? Hmm...Well, you can make sure you child focus in art.

Realistically, how hard is it for them to move forward in life. And, you working in a Theater company should know how long it took for you to get that excellent job. I hope you remember how tough you had to push yourself with so many setbacks of not garunteeing a job.

It's low expectations to achieve majoring in Arts I believe. It's what average folks do, focus on arts instead of reality.

Edited October 15, 2008 by consolemaster

[one...two...tree 2,762]

That charter school is promoting people in Arts? Really? Goodluck getting a job in the future.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that since studying any kind of art helps develop brain activity and it doesn't necessarily mean that they will end up being artists, musicians and actors.

Take me for example, I majored in Theater and have an excellent job that I love in a great company. I also have several friends who are currently working actors in New York, some in Chicago and others in LA doing commercials, movies and T.V. So there's nothing wrong with promoting education in Arts at all.

Diana

Really? Hmm...Well, you can make sure you child focus in art.

Realistically, how hard is it for them to move forward in life. And, you working in a Theater company should know how long it took for you to get that excellent job. I hope you remember how tough you had to push yourself with so many setbacks of not garunteeing a job.

It's low expectations to achieve majoring in Arts I believe. It's what average folks do, focus on arts instead of reality.

LOL...that's really a misnomer. Creative artists can do extremely well economically. People like John Lasseter, co-founder of Pixar, Tim Burton, Don Cheadle, Ed Harris, Paul Reubens (PeeWee Herman), David Hasselhoff, Glen Keane - Disney Animator, to name a few....are all alumni from my art college - CalArts. In fact, most of the Pixar animators are from CalArts. LA as an art high school, Roland Heights, and many of my classmates had attended there. There is a market for creative talent, and for many, it is quite lucrative.

[Niels Bohr 72]

That charter school is promoting people in Arts? Really? Goodluck getting a job in the future.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that since studying any kind of art helps develop brain activity and it doesn't necessarily mean that they will end up being artists, musicians and actors.

Take me for example, I majored in Theater and have an excellent job that I love in a great company. I also have several friends who are currently working actors in New York, some in Chicago and others in LA doing commercials, movies and T.V. So there's nothing wrong with promoting education in Arts at all.

Diana

Really? Hmm...Well, you can make sure you child focus in art.

Realistically, how hard is it for them to move forward in life. And, you working in a Theater company should know how long it took for you to get that excellent job. I hope you remember how tough you had to push yourself with so many setbacks of not garunteeing a job.

It's low expectations to achieve majoring in Arts I believe. It's what average folks do, focus on arts instead of reality.

LOL...that's really a misnomer. Creative artists can do extremely well economically. People like John Lasseter, co-founder of Pixar, Tim Burton, Don Cheadle, Ed Harris, Paul Reubens (PeeWee Herman), David Hasselhoff, Glen Keane - Disney Animator, to name a few....are all alumni from my art college - CalArts. In fact, most of the Pixar animators are from CalArts. LA as an art high school, Roland Heights, and many of my classmates had attended there. There is a market for creative talent, and for many, it is quite lucrative.

I'm not saying it's not economical. I'm saying, the chances of the child ever going to get there is very low. That is the real perspective. How many people who major in Theater ever actually get to hit the big screens?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

That charter school is promoting people in Arts? Really? Goodluck getting a job in the future.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that since studying any kind of art helps develop brain activity and it doesn't necessarily mean that they will end up being artists, musicians and actors.

Take me for example, I majored in Theater and have an excellent job that I love in a great company. I also have several friends who are currently working actors in New York, some in Chicago and others in LA doing commercials, movies and T.V. So there's nothing wrong with promoting education in Arts at all.

Diana

Really? Hmm...Well, you can make sure you child focus in art.

Realistically, how hard is it for them to move forward in life. And, you working in a Theater company should know how long it took for you to get that excellent job. I hope you remember how tough you had to push yourself with so many setbacks of not garunteeing a job.

It's low expectations to achieve majoring in Arts I believe. It's what average folks do, focus on arts instead of reality.

LOL...that's really a misnomer. Creative artists can do extremely well economically. People like John Lasseter, co-founder of Pixar, Tim Burton, Don Cheadle, Ed Harris, Paul Reubens (PeeWee Herman), David Hasselhoff, Glen Keane - Disney Animator, to name a few....are all alumni from my art college - CalArts. In fact, most of the Pixar animators are from CalArts. LA as an art high school, Roland Heights, and many of my classmates had attended there. There is a market for creative talent, and for many, it is quite lucrative.

I'm not saying it's not economical. I'm saying, the chances of the child ever going to get there is very low. That is the real perspective. How many people who major in Theater ever actually get to hit the big screens?

Not all of the theater students want to 'make it big' as the next star.....the field is very diverse. You could focus on set design, direction, production. You could make a living doing Broadway plays. The Arts is a hugely diverse field and many many people make a comfortable living doing work in the arts.

[Niels Bohr 72]

Hmm...Yeah, sure you can. What are their incomes? Most I know had to get a job outside of their career in a minimum wage restaurant. Also, the Museum Curator at the Boston Museum of Fine Arts makes a measly 15k with a Master of Fine Arts.

Edited October 15, 2008 by consolemaster

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Hmm...Yeah, sure you can. What are their incomes? Most I know had to get a job outside of their career in a minimum wage restaurant. Also, the Museum Curator at the Boston Museum of Fine Arts makes a measly 15k with a Master of Fine Arts.

The video gaming industry surpassed the movie industry years ago and I believe it's over 9 billion annually. That's just one slice of the entertainment industry, which is only one part of the Arts.

You can start here:

http://www.amazon.com/CalArts-Alumni-Work/lm/RYKUCBAZAIE6B

[DeadPoolX 9]

Steven, if you had bothered to actually READ the article, instead of merely glancing at what was posted on here, you'd have seen the second paragraph of the news story, where FOX News clearly states that a parent planned the field trip to surprise the teacher.

I doubt that matters, however. Why let meaningless little things such as "facts" get in the way of an opportunity to bash FOX News yet again, right?

They did not represent the actual facts accurately. The idea to surprise their teacher was from one of the parents. The teacher had not invited the students. That said, I don't think it was an appropriate thing to do during school time. However, to suggest that the school had decided this was a way to indoctrinate the students is beyond ridiculous. The teacher's students probably had already known that she was a lesbian and was getting married to another woman. I distinctly remember my teachers sharing with us pictures and information about their families and some of them even had their spouses and children in the classroom from time to time.

Also, living in California and particularly in OC, I've been seeing a lot of 'Yes on 8' bumper stickers. There is popular support for Prop. 8 which will try to ban gay marriage through an amendment to the state constitution. I believe that the courts will over-rule it as unconstitutional, as they should, but you should see the ads on TV that claim if gay marriage remains legal, children will be 'taught' in schools that the gay lifestyle is acceptable. It's absurd beyond belief that people disguise their bigotry as religious convictions. It's a perversion of what Christianity is about.

I don't think young children -- such as first graders -- should be taught about any particular lifestyle, whether it's straight or gay. Why not let "kids be kids" while they still can? There will be plenty of time to teach them this stuff later on, when they might actually be able to understand it.