43% of Hispanics agree that US states have the right to secede - only 17% of whites agree

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One in five American adults - 22% - believe that any state or region has the right to "peaceably secede from the United States and become an independent republic," a new Middlebury Institute/Zogby International telephone poll shows.

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Broken down by race, the highest percentage agreeing with the right to secede was among Hispanics (43%) and African-Americans (40%). Among white respondents, 17% said states or regions should have the right to peaceably secede.

Politically, liberal thinkers were much more likely to favor the right to secession for states and regions, as 32% of mainline liberals agreed with the concept ... Meanwhile, just 17% of mainline conservatives thought it should exist as an option for states or regions of the nation.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1531

[mawilson 2,133]

One in five American adults - 22% - believe that any state or region has the right to "peaceably secede from the United States and become an independent republic," a new Middlebury Institute/Zogby International telephone poll shows.

Peaceably? As in "piece by piece"?

[IAMX 3,055]

Not Hispanic, but I agree. And I wish California would secede and become the California Republic once again. Let the rest of the U.S. figure things out for themselves instead of holding this state back from economic and social progress.

Edited October 11, 2008 by SRVT

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Not Hispanic, but I agree. And I wish California would secede and become the California Republic once again. Let the rest of the U.S. figure things out for themselves instead of holding this state back from economic and social progress.

I don't know. It sounds like California needs the US.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, alarmed by the ongoing national financial crisis, warned Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson on Thursday that the state might need an emergency loan of as much as $7 billion from the federal government within weeks.

The warning comes as California is close to running out of cash to fund day-to-day government operations and is unable to access routine short-term loans that it typically relies on to remain solvent.

Source : http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-cali...story?track=rss

[mawilson 2,133]

Not Hispanic, but I agree. And I wish California would secede and become the California Republic once again. Let the rest of the U.S. figure things out for themselves instead of holding this state back from economic and social progress.

You guys can't even balance your own budget - asking the Treasury Department for a $7,000,000,000 loan!

Edited: AJ beat me to it, as usual

Edited October 11, 2008 by mawilson

[NickD 203]

One in five American adults - 22% - believe that any state or region has the right to "peaceably secede from the United States and become an independent republic," a new Middlebury Institute/Zogby International telephone poll shows.

...

Broken down by race, the highest percentage agreeing with the right to secede was among Hispanics (43%) and African-Americans (40%). Among white respondents, 17% said states or regions should have the right to peaceably secede.

Politically, liberal thinkers were much more likely to favor the right to secession for states and regions, as 32% of mainline liberals agreed with the concept ... Meanwhile, just 17% of mainline conservatives thought it should exist as an option for states or regions of the nation.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1531

Didn't some states try that before? Didn't that lead to a civil war? Wasn't brother killing brother? How come pollsters ask questions like this? And exactly whom are they asking these questions? Are they trying to form opinions based on their polls? How come they never called me or anybody I know? Are they bored? Can't they find a real job? Do we really need them? Should we have them all shot?

[IAMX 3,055]

Not Hispanic, but I agree. And I wish California would secede and become the California Republic once again. Let the rest of the U.S. figure things out for themselves instead of holding this state back from economic and social progress.

I don't know. It sounds like California needs the US.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, alarmed by the ongoing national financial crisis, warned Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson on Thursday that the state might need an emergency loan of as much as $7 billion from the federal government within weeks.

The warning comes as California is close to running out of cash to fund day-to-day government operations and is unable to access routine short-term loans that it typically relies on to remain solvent.

Source : http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-cali...story?track=rss

If we didn't pay federal taxes (we pay the most), we could easily turn that around, locally, aim it to state taxes to pay off our debts, and very quickly at that. While it used to be better, California as a country would have the 7th to 10th largest economy via GDP in the world, right with Spain, Italy, and China. It's between 10 and 15%, by itself, of U.S. GDP, easily the largest, around twice the size of the next state, Texas. It's the other way around. The U.S. needs California. A large part of the reason California is in this trouble is because of federal budget deficits, and California being a part of the U.S.

Edited October 11, 2008 by SRVT

[mawilson 2,133]

If we didn't pay federal taxes (we pay the most), we could easily turn that around, locally, aim it to state taxes to pay off our debts, and very quickly at that. While it used to be better, California as a country would have the 7th to 10th largest economy via GDP in the world, right with Spain, Italy, and China. It's between 10 and 15%, by itself, of U.S. GDP, easily the largest, around twice the size of the next state, Texas. It's the other way around. The U.S. needs California. A large part of the reason California is in this trouble is because of federal budget deficits, and California being a part of the U.S.

Yeah, maybe. Go for it, then.

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One in five American adults - 22% - believe that any state or region has the right to "peaceably secede from the United States and become an independent republic," a new Middlebury Institute/Zogby International telephone poll shows.

Peaceably? As in "piece by piece"?

[IAMX 3,055]

If we didn't pay federal taxes (we pay the most), we could easily turn that around, locally, aim it to state taxes to pay off our debts, and very quickly at that. While it used to be better, California as a country would have the 7th to 10th largest economy via GDP in the world, right with Spain, Italy, and China. It's between 10 and 15%, by itself, of U.S. GDP, easily the largest, around twice the size of the next state, Texas. It's the other way around. The U.S. needs California. A large part of the reason California is in this trouble is because of federal budget deficits, and California being a part of the U.S.

Yeah, maybe. Go for it, then.

In my dreams.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

It's between 10 and 15%, by itself, of U.S. GDP, easily the largest, around twice the size of the next state, Texas.

We are ignoring the huge population of California, aren't we?

Here is a list from Wikipedia (via the BEA) of per capita gross state product. California isn't at the top.

#1 is Delaware

#2 is Connecticut

#3 is Massachusetts

#4 is New York

#5 is New Jersey

#6 is Alaska

#7 is Colorado

#8 is Virginia

and # 9 is .... California

Edited October 11, 2008 by A.J.

[IAMX 3,055]

It's between 10 and 15%, by itself, of U.S. GDP, easily the largest, around twice the size of the next state, Texas.

We are ignoring the huge population of California, aren't we?

Here is a map from Wikipedia (via the BEA) of per capita gross state product. California isn't at the top.

#1 is Delaware

#2 is Connecticut

#3 is Massachusetts

#4 is New York

#5 is New Jersey

#6 is Alaska

#7 is Colorado

#8 is Virginia

and # 9 is .... California

Delaware and all of those, except Alaska, are also far more dense in population, and a hell of a lot smaller with far less people and business contributing to the GDP. Alaska has lots of federal help thanks to earmarks to get their GDP the way it is, so they naturally live quite a bit better. To get California's GDP, you need about 15-20 Delawares. Being a business major, and working for a marketing department, as well as a minor in poly-sci, I'm well aware how statistics are used to try to fool people and it won't work on me.

Add onto that, the size of California and "per capita" means there's still a lot more growth happening in California, so that GDP will only be going up, up, and further up. How many more people and infrastructure to contribute to GDP can you fit in Delaware?

Edited October 11, 2008 by SRVT

[Scott & Lai 12]

California is in trouble because the state legislature has no concept of fiscal responsibility. You should see the November ballot; in spite of CA's current financial trouble, the ballot is filled with measures containing new bonds costing billions

[spookyturtle 9,466]

It's between 10 and 15%, by itself, of U.S. GDP, easily the largest, around twice the size of the next state, Texas.

We are ignoring the huge population of California, aren't we?

Here is a map from Wikipedia (via the BEA) of per capita gross state product. California isn't at the top.

#1 is Delaware

#2 is Connecticut

#3 is Massachusetts

#4 is New York

#5 is New Jersey

#6 is Alaska

#7 is Colorado

#8 is Virginia

and # 9 is .... California

Delaware and all of those, except Alaska, are also far more dense in population, and a hell of a lot smaller with far less people and business contributing to the GDP. Alaska has lots of federal help thanks to earmarks to get their GDP the way it is, so they naturally live quite a bit better. To get California's GDP, you need about 15-20 Delawares. Being a business major, and working for a marketing department, as well as a minor in poly-sci, I'm well aware how statistics are used to try to fool people and it won't work on me.

Add onto that, the size of California and "per capita" means there's still a lot more growth happening in California, so that GDP will only be going up, up, and further up. How many more people and infrastructure to contribute to GDP can you fit in Delaware?

Better idea, why don't you secede from California?

[IAMX 3,055]

Better idea, why don't you secede from California?

I appreciate this state. No need to.

Edit: Well, I'm half-lying. I appreciate the state, but we're heavily thinking about Saskatchewan in 5-10 years. Couldn't live in any other state in the U.S.

Edited October 11, 2008 by SRVT