halal meat

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I wouldn't buy meat from there - they package their own cuts of meat - so you get chicken with the skin still on it and bits of feather-root stuck in it.

And cellophane wrapped packages of chicken's feet.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

mohd&trina, please try these sites:

• www.myhalalmeat.com
• www.amitymeat.com
• www.halalfoodusa.com

Or this one to find halal markets/resto's near you: www.zabihah.com Edited October 10, 2008 by CherryXS

[KAT&Allie 0]

Trina and HG,

if you can't agree on it now, you are going to make your lives together very difficult. HG, your beliefs and practices are your beliefs and you are perfectly entitled to them as much as Trina is entitled to hers. And no, you are not being unreasonable (I would not compromise on it either). But guys, you need to find a compromise here because, as you said earlier, HG, religion can divide, big time. The last thing you need or want is to lose respect and love for each other. Sort it out now. If you can’t agree on how or what you eat, how are you going to agree how to bring up children? I’m not trying to offend here but marriages with partners being of different religions need lots of talking, learning from each other and compromise.

I have no idea whether on not you can eat kosher meat as at the time of slaughtering a blessing by an observant Jew must be said. I know the slaughtering for halal and kosher meat is done almost in the same way, but we (I mean Jews who are orthodox or practicing... don't want to offend anybody here ) cannot eat halal meat only because no blessing by a religious Jew had been said. So I'm not sure if it works the same way for you. I'm sorry but I have no idea about availability of halal meat in America but I know that kosher one is reasonably readily available (you can get it even in Costco!). But it's not cheap!!! Whether it’s cheaper than halal, no idea… Or enjoy your seafood and stock up on meat for special occasions only.

Wishing both of you all the best.

[Jenn! 918]

I thought that all things kosher are also halal, but all things halal are not necessarily kosher. I might be mistaken though.

Hmmm, yes, I am wrong:

Islam prohibits all intoxicating alcohols, liquors, wines and drugs. kashrut regards all wines kosher. Hence food items and drinks showing the kosher symbol containing alcohol are not halal.

Gelatin is considered Kosher by many Jews regardless of its source of origin. If the gelatin is prepared from non-zabiha, Muslims consider it haram (prohibited). Hence foods items such as marshmallows, yogurt, etc., showing kosher symbols are not always halal.

Enzymes (irrespective of their sources even from non-kosher animals) in cheese making are considered mere secretion(pirsah b'almah) according to some kashrut organizations, hence all cheeses are considered kosher. Muslims look for the source of the enzyme in cheese making. If it is coming from the swine, it is considered haram(forbidden). Hence cheeses showing kosher symbols may not be halal....

Edited October 10, 2008 by Jenn!

[maritoni 3]

I thought that all things kosher are also halal, but all things halal are not necessarily kosher. I might be mistaken though.

They are very similar, the main difference I know is that with Halal, a Muslim must perform the slaughter of the animal

http://www.halalfoodauthority.co.uk/define.html

With Kosher meat, the rules are given in the book of Leviticus...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosher_foods

[AlHayatZween 2]

Salaam Mohamed&Trina,

Not sure where you guys are located, but you can try: www.islamicfinder.org. Just enter in your zip code and you will find a list of Muslim businesses, etc... hopefully, in your case, you will find some halal butchers in your area.

Another thing to note, is that you may not have many Arab-owned businesses in your area, but you might find halal butchers from Pakistan or Bangladesh... so keep a look-out...

Lastly, if you still can't find anything, and you are a bit flexible, Kosher food might be an option and is usually available in the supermarket. Also, fish and veggies, but i totally understand... we like to eat meat, too!

Have you found a mosque in your neighborhood? Again try islamicfinder.org, surely someone can help you...

Good luck,

hz

Edited October 10, 2008 by AlHayatZween

[KAT&Allie 0]

I thought that all things kosher are also halal, but all things halal are not necessarily kosher. I might be mistaken though.

Hmmm, yes, I am wrong:

Islam prohibits all intoxicating alcohols, liquors, wines and drugs. kashrut regards all wines kosher. Hence food items and drinks showing the kosher symbol containing alcohol are not halal.

Gelatin is considered Kosher by many Jews regardless of its source of origin. If the gelatin is prepared from non-zabiha, Muslims consider it haram (prohibited). Hence foods items such as marshmallows, yogurt, etc., showing kosher symbols are not always halal.

Enzymes (irrespective of their sources even from non-kosher animals) in cheese making are considered mere secretion(pirsah b'almah) according to some kashrut organizations, hence all cheeses are considered kosher. Muslims look for the source of the enzyme in cheese making. If it is coming from the swine, it is considered haram(forbidden). Hence cheeses showing kosher symbols may not be halal....

Jenn,

I'm not sure what your source of the quoted information is, but it is completely wrong!!!

Firstly, not all wines are kosher, only the ones made by or under the supervision of an orthodox Jew are considered kosher. I'm not sure what additives are allowed but they are strictly controlled and enforced as we use wines for our blessings.

Secondly, gelatine cannot be kosher if it comes from non-kosher animal and that means that even if the animal is kosher by the biblical definition, unless is slaughtered in a proper way, any products from that animal cannot be kosher. Most of our gelatine comes from a fish source. Marshmallows, because of the gelatine, have to have a kosher certificate before one is allowed to eat them. I'm not aware that any gelatine goes into yoghurts at all.... New one to me...

Similarly, cheese production is strictly regulated and no cheese is allowed to be consumed unless it's certified. The reason is that the rennet, which is used in cheese production, can come from non-kosher source and as such only cheeses that can pass the kosher certification that only kosher animal rennet had been used can be approved.

Any additives, enzymes, E-numbers and other food preservatives are very strictly regulated and I can assure you that anything coming from non-kosher animal would not be certified. For example, red M&M's made them non kosher (at least in Europe) because the red colour comes from a Cochineal beetle!

So all in all, there was not single accurate information in your post (nothing personal). I have no idea how similar or dissimilar are halal and kosher standards or whether one can substitute one for another. Don’t know anything about halal to make an informed judgement.

Saying that, I hope you realise that just as there are non-practicing or observant Muslim, the same goes for Jews and they eat as they please.

Just wanted to make clear that your source of information let you down this time. Should you need a further clarification on any kashrut issue, please pm me.

I hope you haven’t taken an offence because none was meant.

All the best.

[Jenn! 918]

Sorry about that. You can take it up with these guys: http://www.soundvision.com/info/halalhealt...alal.kosher.asp (should have quoted). I don't have a horse in this race.

Oh, and yes I am quite aware that not all Jews and Muslims are practicing. What is that supposed to mean?

Again, no clarification needed. I profusely apologize. Won't need to be PMing for any clarification.

Edited October 10, 2008 by Jenn!

[KAT&Allie 0]

Sorry about that. You can take it up with these guys: http://www.soundvision.com/info/halalhealt...alal.kosher.asp (should have quoted). I don't have a horse in this race.

You've managed to tickle my funny bone B) . To be quite honest I have no idea how have I strayed into this post . I didn't mean to get on my high horse so I apologise if I came across too strongly.

Btw, I just tried that link and it comes up with a message, "the page you have requested does not exist or has moved". Nobody to complain to then....

As to my comment on non practicing, I just meant that for all of them what we are debating here is the whistle down the wind and if questioned they'll say something to justify their behaviour, if they feel guilty. Therefore, there are always going to be around those who'd say that eating any cheese would be allowed because it comes from a kosher/halal animal.

As for me, live and let live.

Thanks for not taking offence.

[Jenn! 918]

Sorry about that. You can take it up with these guys: http://www.soundvision.com/info/halalhealt...alal.kosher.asp (should have quoted). I don't have a horse in this race.

You've managed to tickle my funny bone B) . To be quite honest I have no idea how have I strayed into this post . I didn't mean to get on my high horse so I apologise if I came across too strongly.

Btw, I just tried that link and it comes up with a message, "the page you have requested does not exist or has moved". Nobody to complain to then....

As to my comment on non practicing, I just meant that for all of them what we are debating here is the whistle down the wind and if questioned they'll say something to justify their behaviour, if they feel guilty. Therefore, there are always going to be around those who'd say that eating any cheese would be allowed because it comes from a kosher/halal animal.

As for me, live and let live.

Thanks for not taking offence.

I dunno, the linkie works for me. But you're right, it doesn't seem like much of an official source for that sort of info. As for non-practicing, I really do understand what you're trying to say. For example, if I told my Muslim husband there is some issue involving the acceptability of certain cheeses, I'm fairly certain he wouldn't know what I was talking about.

Also agreed on the live and let live. Far be it from me to tell anyone what they can and can not eat. Personal decisions, I believe.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Jenn,

I'm not sure what your source of the quoted information is, but it is completely wrong!!!

Firstly, not all wines are kosher, only the ones made by or under the supervision of an orthodox Jew are considered kosher. I'm not sure what additives are allowed but they are strictly controlled and enforced as we use wines for our blessings.

Secondly, gelatine cannot be kosher if it comes from non-kosher animal and that means that even if the animal is kosher by the biblical definition, unless is slaughtered in a proper way, any products from that animal cannot be kosher. Most of our gelatine comes from a fish source. Marshmallows, because of the gelatine, have to have a kosher certificate before one is allowed to eat them. I'm not aware that any gelatine goes into yoghurts at all.... New one to me...

Yes, some (especially high percentage of "supermarket-specific" brand ones) yoghurts do contain gelatin--which wrecks it texture-wise so it is FUBAR

Similarly, cheese production is strictly regulated and no cheese is allowed to be consumed unless it's certified. The reason is that the rennet, which is used in cheese production, can come from non-kosher source and as such only cheeses that can pass the kosher certification that only kosher animal rennet had been used can be approved.

Any additives, enzymes, E-numbers and other food preservatives are very strictly regulated and I can assure you that anything coming from non-kosher animal would not be certified. For example, red M&M's made them non kosher (at least in Europe) because the red colour comes from a Cochineal beetle!

So all in all, there was not single accurate information in your post (nothing personal). I have no idea how similar or dissimilar are halal and kosher standards or whether one can substitute one for another. Don’t know anything about halal to make an informed judgement.

Saying that, I hope you realise that just as there are non-practicing or observant Muslim, the same goes for Jews and they eat as they please.

Just wanted to make clear that your source of information let you down this time. Should you need a further clarification on any kashrut issue, please pm me.

I hope you haven’t taken an offence because none was meant.

All the best.

[sara535 15]

to the OP:

The nearest Halal grocery to us right now is about 50 miles. Once every month or two we go and totally stock up the freezer. I find, like AJ, that the meat is actually usually cheaper and fresher than the local grocery stores. Its not been a big deal at all, we just make a day of it and do some other shopping and have lunch out, etc. Then we buy our fish from the local stores. and we DO eat a lot of seafood, more than I did before my husband got here but thats fine because we love it.

holidays that we spend with my family we go in advance and buy Halal meat. A couple of years ago I ordered a halal turkey and had it delivered to my parents house the week before Thanksgiving so they could cook it for the family meal. My dad ranted and raved that it was the best turkey he had ever eaten and there's never been an issue. I guess it helps that my sister is married to a Hindu vegetarian so our family is not unfamiliar with making special arrangements. But in any case, my point is that all of this is not that big of a deal. Certainly not worth fighting about for 3 years, at least in my opinion. Just one of the many adjustments that come with marriage

[pedroh 21]

can't u just eat a mcdonalds big mac and say bismallah??

(im sayin.. i read that u can do stuff and say it.. so whats the diff)

[tenderheartusa79 14]

can't u just eat a mcdonalds big mac and say bismallah??

(im sayin.. i read that u can do stuff and say it.. so whats the diff)

the diff is

There are 2 basic requirements for meat to be considered halal so Muslims can eat it

1. Killed by a cut to the throat, not a jolt of electricity or a bolt to the head

2. Slaughtered by a Muslim, Jew or Christian

If it's slaughtered by a Muslim, then you're good to go. If it's done by a christian or a jew, then you say bismillah before you eat it.

Meat from the supermarket definately does not meet the first requirement. And you have no idea if it meets the second. You can't go up to the meat counter and say "excuse me, could you tell me the religion of the person who slaughtered this package of ground beef?"

and you can't know if they cut the throat or they jolt of electricity or a bolt to the head

[AlHayatZween 2]

naaaaw... you have to say Bismillah when you kill the cow... and gorge it right in the throat and drain all the blood out.

but there is always McDonald's fries and shakes which are the best part anyway...