Todd Palin: The Ultimate American Feminist

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Roe v. Wade hasn't had a uniform effect across the US. Prior to its implementation, states determined the basis upon which an abortion was allowed or disallowed. Roe limiteded state restrictions to the third trimester, but did not prohibit measures that discouaged the practice, such as parental notification or spousal concurrance.. Some states have proven to be more liberal than others, resulting in a patchwork of abortion rights, regulations, and restrictions across the country, state by state.

Since Roe v. Wade was decided via the creation of an implied right of privacy grounded in the federal Constitution, this is the Achilles Heel by which it may be overturned, not by whether I agree with it or not.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I think my post last post lost some clarity so for the record - being pro-life for oneself is meaningless in terms of a debate on the abortion issue. If you are pro-life for yourself but would not advocate imposing pro-life on another woman you are of course by definition pro-choice which is permissive of legal abortion for someone else, even if you would not choose it for yourself.

I haven't given my personal view on what *I* would do in order not to muddy the waters. So, for Clarity VW are you pro-choice or not?

Personally, I don't give a frig, but quit debating on the abortion issue if you are pr-choice as if you were pro-life. That is just ridiculous. Mind you, maybe you like being ridiculous?

I posted a thread about Todd Palin's feminism. There are some here who equate feminism with being pro-abortion. I do not, since women's rights encompass other issues beyond abortion. I did explain my position re that issue, and I'm sure I didn't try to force anyone to agree with me. It was never my intent to debate abortion, but, such is the winding road of an OT thread.

Edited October 10, 2008 by Virtual wife

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think my post last post lost some clarity so for the record - being pro-life for oneself is meaningless in terms of a debate on the abortion issue. If you are pro-life for yourself but would not advocate imposing pro-life on another woman you are of course by definition pro-choice which is permissive of legal abortion for someone else, even if you would not choose it for yourself.

I haven't given my personal view on what *I* would do in order not to muddy the waters. So, for Clarity VW are you pro-choice or not?

Personally, I don't give a frig, but quit debating on the abortion issue if you are pr-choice as if you were pro-life. That is just ridiculous. Mind you, maybe you like being ridiculous?

I posted a thread about Todd Palin's feminism. There are some here who equate feminism with being pro-abortion. I do not, since women's rights encompass other issues beyond abortion. I did explain my position re that issue, and I'm sure I didn't try to force anyone to agree with me. It was never my intent to debate abortion, but, such is the winding road of an OT thread.

I'm not sure I see how the article you posted establishes that, as much as it gives him a slap on the back simply for turning up.

Plenty of people are supported by their spouses...

[Peikko 1,575]

I think my post last post lost some clarity so for the record - being pro-life for oneself is meaningless in terms of a debate on the abortion issue. If you are pro-life for yourself but would not advocate imposing pro-life on another woman you are of course by definition pro-choice which is permissive of legal abortion for someone else, even if you would not choose it for yourself.

I haven't given my personal view on what *I* would do in order not to muddy the waters. So, for Clarity VW are you pro-choice or not?

Personally, I don't give a frig, but quit debating on the abortion issue if you are pr-choice as if you were pro-life. That is just ridiculous. Mind you, maybe you like being ridiculous?

I posted a thread about Todd Palin's feminism. There are some here who equate feminism with being pro-abortion. I do not, since women's rights encompass other issues beyond abortion. I did explain my position re that issue, and I'm sure I didn't try to force anyone to agree with me. It was never my intent to debate abortion, but, such is the winding road of an OT thread.

Well, let's just erase the last few pages of discussion as to what being pro-life really means, as that wasn't what you wanted to discuss, and find out what you did want to discuss, if anything.

Perhaps it would be exactly what is meant by 'Todd Palin's feminsim'? Someone, quite rightly in my opnion, asked, what exactly you believe Todd Palin has done that leads you to hold him up as a man who has/will advance the feminist cause. It's not really enough to simply be supportive of one's wife because, as we have discovered even in this thread, there are many, many husbands who do the exact same thing, and yet, woman are still paid less than their male collegues, lack of good health care still impacts women far more than it does men, women are still less likely to get a good education etc, etc etc so simply being a supportive husband isn't enough, in and of itself to merit anything more than a slap on the back and a 'that's great, you support your wife in her career, good for you" (and it's worth noting that simply being a working mother of X kids doesn't demand more than a, "yes, people everywhere do this" as I am sure virtually every woman over the age of 30 on this message board can say the exact same thing)

What he isn't doing, and more importantly nor is she, is advancing any proposals to change the lives of women positively which would advance the cause of feminism. There is not one thing that I have heard her say that makes me say, "You know what, even though she's a member of the GOP, I really would want to support this woman because she wants to ensure women can XXXXX" Not one thing, nothing, niet, nada.

There is however one glaringly obvious thing that she says she supports that would have a negative impact on women's lives if current legislation were changed, and that is the abortion issue. The permissive of abortion position is the right posision for every woman, regardless of how they would personally behave in any given situation because that allows for every woman to have full possession of her own body and thus gives her the ability to make the best choices for herself to give herself the best chance to have a successful (in all areas of life) life.

So, what am I left with? I am left with this horrible conclusion that all this "a vote for Palin is a vote for women" is cynical manipulation of the worst kind. I am left with the vile stench of betrayal of all those women who have come before who have made real sacrifice to even out the playing field so that women can fulfill themselves in so many more ways than simply being a 'good wife and mother'. I for one am not buying Palin the feminist are you?

Edited October 10, 2008 by Madame Cleo

[Chica Yeyé 41]

I think my post last post lost some clarity so for the record - being pro-life for oneself is meaningless in terms of a debate on the abortion issue. If you are pro-life for yourself but would not advocate imposing pro-life on another woman you are of course by definition pro-choice which is permissive of legal abortion for someone else, even if you would not choose it for yourself.

I haven't given my personal view on what *I* would do in order not to muddy the waters. So, for Clarity VW are you pro-choice or not?

Personally, I don't give a frig, but quit debating on the abortion issue if you are pr-choice as if you were pro-life. That is just ridiculous. Mind you, maybe you like being ridiculous?

I posted a thread about Todd Palin's feminism. There are some here who equate feminism with being pro-abortion. I do not, since women's rights encompass other issues beyond abortion. I did explain my position re that issue, and I'm sure I didn't try to force anyone to agree with me. It was never my intent to debate abortion, but, such is the winding road of an OT thread.

I'm not sure I see how the article you posted establishes that, as much as it gives him a slap on the back simply for turning up.

Plenty of people are supported by their spouses...

Ditto 6, nothing out of this world. What intrigues me is to know what kind of men some people are married to, if they considers the every day of Mr. Palin so worthy of praise. Really.

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

I'm a better man than Mr. Palin B)

[IAMX 3,055]

I'm a better man than Mr. Palin B)

He can clean my house any time.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Just seems to be about jingoism - IMO.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

It is just a completely irrelevant and pointless piece of ####### thread.

[Sarah Palin 0]

It is just a completely irrelevant and pointless piece of ####### thread.

Well now, let's not, you know, get ahead of ourselves because, also, I have to say, which is what America expects, and, you know, my Dude & I, we, and the family also, sometimes while huntin', is really what this country is about, dontcha know.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Hi Sarah - I was wondering, and I'm sure many others are:

Just what is your qualifiable qualification to be qualified for a political oppointment that requires qualifications?

[Sarah Palin 0]

Hi Sarah - I was wondering, and I'm sure many others are:

Just what is your qualifiable qualification to be qualified for a political oppointment that requires qualifications?

You know, I think, as does John McCain, who is really, also, just one helluva American Maverick in every sense, you know, when it comes to, in terms of, this country that, also, that the people of this great nation of ours expects. But, you know, I know that I'm not a Washington insider and, also, which, with the qualifications that may qualify for some, you know, heh.., well, reporters, huh? *shrug* But, which America understands, is that if you ask any soccer Mom, then she knows what, if, also, is what may come from being an ordinary Joe.

[SaadBell 0]

We don't care about children in this country, just unborn children, when they are born we sure as hell don't care, we cut back all kinds of support for children, yet we want the children to go away, no food stamps, no education, nothing, but we are all there for the unborn. ####### is this about

[IAMX 3,055]

Whoa, her husband is a Saudi. Fvcking terrorist.

[Sarah Palin 0]

Whoa, her husband is a Saudi. Fvcking terrorist.

You know, we have a saying in Wasilla, which says, when it comes to chocolate boxes, life is like lipstick and, also, you know, I think I found that's true when it comes to people also. I mean, I'm just yer average Hockey Mom and Todd, my Dude, also, just yer average Jihad Six-Pack... That is, um, well, heh, anyway... You betcha!