Todd Palin: The Ultimate American Feminist

[pedroh 21]

oh noees a sexist photo!!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Pro-abortion is not the position. It is allowing for the possibility of abortion or permissive of abortion if you want to have abortion in the label. Care to address the 'back street abortion' issue? No, I thought not.

Were you an adult when abortion was illegal, PH?

A person can be for choice without actively pushing abortion - plenty of people support the idea in theory, even if they wouldn't opt for the procedure themselves. The "mind your own business" position.

The term "pro-abortion" takes away from none of that, nor does it "push" abortion.

[HAL 9000 96]

Pro-abortion doesn't preclude choice. Unlike anti-abortion, which prohibits choice, both "pro-choice" and "pro-abortion" imply that abortion is a part of the equation. Like "pro-death penalty", "pro-abortion" doesn't mean that death is the ONLY option.

Where so you guys come up with this stuff? Some of the twisted thinking that crops up on this board is found no where else on the planet.

I suspect some may wonder why you eshew the common terminology in favor of a less common euphemism that sounds more aggressive and (surprisingly) reflects your own particular bias on the subject (given that you've previously characterised abortion as being little different to shooting someone or staving their head in with a pipe).

I am not bound to your biases, PD. I am allowed my own. The common terminology is just so much pc speak. Since "pro-abortion" doesn't skate around the fact that one's choice includes abortion, it is a less anbiguous term than "pro-choice", standing in clear opposition to the ever so concise "anti-abortion". Neither "pro-abortion" or "anti-abortion" are euphenisms; they are clear indicators of whether one considers taking a life in the womb to be socially acceptable or not.

A person can be for choice without actively pushing abortion - plenty of people support the idea in theory, even if they wouldn't opt for the procedure themselves. The "mind your own business" position.

Hence the legality of choice.

[mawilson 2,133]

Pro-abortion is not the position. It is allowing for the possibility of abortion or permissive of abortion if you want to have abortion in the label. Care to address the 'back street abortion' issue? No, I thought not.

Were you an adult when abortion was illegal, PH?

Obviously. Why do you think she was born?

[jundp 191]

I suspect some may wonder why you eshew the common terminology in favor of a less common euphemism that sounds more aggressive and (surprisingly) reflects your own particular bias on the subject (given that you've previously characterised abortion as being little different to shooting someone or staving their head in with a pipe).

A person can be for choice without actively pushing abortion - plenty of people support the idea in theory, even if they wouldn't opt for the procedure themselves. The "mind your own business" position.

All, true, but I am one of those weird people who is against abortion. I prefer the phrases "pro-life" and "pro-choice." I am not against choice, per se, but I do believe abortion is murder. So I prefer not to refer to myself as "anti-abortion" so much as "pro-life" because of my stance on the abortion issue and the death penalty.

[Peikko 1,575]

Pro-abortion is not the position. It is allowing for the possibility of abortion or permissive of abortion if you want to have abortion in the label. Care to address the 'back street abortion' issue? No, I thought not.

Were you an adult when abortion was illegal, PH?

Obviously. Why do you think she was born?

, yeah, otherwise I would obviously have been aborted, my parents being...well whatever.

Not in the UK, but I have lived in a country as an adult where it is even now and?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

And, I was an adult prior to Roe v Wade. Since we have both experienced life before legalized abortion and hold differing positions regarding it, we are living examples of how it is very possible to do so.

[Peikko 1,575]

Um, what are you blathering about woman? I have experienced the down side of living in a country where abortion is illegal and I wouldn't visit that upon my worst enemy. Allowing for, or permitting abortion if a women deems it necessary is my exact position and we both know what the alternative is - and yet you prefer to force people to conform to your point of view knowing that. How noble of you.

Edited October 10, 2008 by Madame Cleo

[Peikko 1,575]

Apologies for the edits, I was almost as incoherent as VW

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Um, what are you blathering about woman? I have experienced the down side of living in a country where abortion is illegal and I wouldn't visit that upon my worst enemy. Allowing for, or permitting abortion if a women deems it necessary is my exact position and we both know what the alternative is - and yet you prefer to force people to conform to your point of view knowing that. How noble of you.

I'm quite sure I haven't forced anyone to conform to my point of view. You and others are still free to believe as you wish.

[Peikko 1,575]

Woman, are you totally stupid or just stirring with the shitty stick? I am not forcing a woman to do one thing or another by allowing for abortion. Pro-life is preventing legal abortion. Tell me again who is forcing who to conform?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Woman, are you totally stupid or just stirring with the shitty stick? I am not forcing a woman to do one thing or another by allowing for abortion. Pro-life is preventing legal abortion. Tell me again who is forcing who to conform?

You must not be addressing me since I have said nothing that would elicite this response.

[Peikko 1,575]

Unless you really are supporting the notion that you are 'pro-life' on purely a personal basis and would never support a move to overturn wade and Roe? However, as that is not a political position, and is effectively pro-choice (allowing for each woman to determine what is best for themselves)...No, you are either completely stupid or you are shitt stirring.

Edited October 10, 2008 by Madame Cleo

[Niels Bohr 72]

Hmm...Yeah, I don't think alot of people are adults to begin with.

[Peikko 1,575]

I think my post last post lost some clarity so for the record - being pro-life for oneself is meaningless in terms of a debate on the abortion issue. If you are pro-life for yourself but would not advocate imposing pro-life on another woman you are of course by definition pro-choice which is permissive of legal abortion for someone else, even if you would not choose it for yourself.

I haven't given my personal view on what *I* would do in order not to muddy the waters. So, for Clarity VW are you pro-choice or not?

Personally, I don't give a frig, but quit debating on the abortion issue if you are pr-choice as if you were pro-life. That is just ridiculous. Mind you, maybe you like being ridiculous?