Man shot three times in street by racist gunman - for wearing Barack Obama T-shirt

[mawilson 2,133]

49% of violent crime in the UK does not result in any injury to the vitcim. Imagine that?

Which means that 51% of violent crime in the UK does result in injury to the victim?

Hmm, let's see... 51% of the UK number (2,300 per 100,000) is 1,173 violent

attacks per 100,000 that resulted in injury. Even if we assume that all violent

crime in the US results in injury to the victim, 1,173 is still much, much higher than

the US average of 469.2.

I think "Against the person" offenses amount to shoves or light slaps. Sort of thing that Christian Bale was accused of doing to his mother and sister.

Ah, ok. There was a misplaced comma between "were" and "offences " which threw me off.

[Peikko 1,575]

Wait up, don't forget the 84% in the least serious category, ie slaps and punches, pub brawl stuff. I don't think the US even bothers with those statistics

[mawilson 2,133]

Wait up, don't forget the 84% in the least serious category, ie slaps and punches, pub brawl stuff. I don't think the US even bothers with those statistics

Where does the 84% come from?

[HAL 9000 96]

The patterns of crime are different though - the UK may well have more assaults per capita than the US (as I said it depends very much on the sort of area you live in - outside of the inner cities, I suspect the picture is very different (it is in LA for example, where towns that are literally side-by-side have wildly different crime rates), but I very much doubt the UK compares in terms of gun crime, for example.

Does it really matter whether you get shot or stabbed? Violent crime is violent crime, and statistically there's more violent crime in the UK.

Doesn't the US crime rate also depend on the sort of area you live in? It's a specious argument.

Still, if you want to compare apples and apples, take a look at this comparison of New York and London:

• New York has a population of 8 million, London - 7 million
• London's crime rate is about 7 times that of New York
• Police budgets are comparable
• New York has 40% more cops on the beat

London must not have figured out the "cause and effect" yet, true maviwaro. The people of London must need more "education" right six. Apparently this is the solution to crime.

Six take note of the above info. Now think of the resources (welfare / schools) available to people there in comparison to people in the US.

Don't get your bait- unless you're referring to crime in itself. Ironic you were touting security cams as a solution to crime just today and yet London is known for having one of the highest density of surveillance cameras on the planet for an urban region.

So which one is the cause and which is the effect or are you too caught up in your own bile to notice?

[HAL 9000 96]

Wait up, don't forget the 84% in the least serious category, ie slaps and punches, pub brawl stuff. I don't think the US even bothers with those statistics

With reporting. Sounds about right.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The patterns of crime are different though - the UK may well have more assaults per capita than the US (as I said it depends very much on the sort of area you live in - outside of the inner cities, I suspect the picture is very different (it is in LA for example, where towns that are literally side-by-side have wildly different crime rates), but I very much doubt the UK compares in terms of gun crime, for example.

Does it really matter whether you get shot or stabbed? Violent crime is violent crime, and statistically there's more violent crime in the UK.

Doesn't the US crime rate also depend on the sort of area you live in? It's a specious argument.

Still, if you want to compare apples and apples, take a look at this comparison of New York and London:

• New York has a population of 8 million, London - 7 million
• London's crime rate is about 7 times that of New York
• Police budgets are comparable
• New York has 40% more cops on the beat

London must not have figured out the "cause and effect" yet, true maviwaro. The people of London must need more "education" right six. Apparently this is the solution to crime.

Six take note of the above info. Now think of the resources (welfare / schools) available to people there in comparison to people in the US.

Don't get your bait- unless you're referring to crime in itself. Ironic you were touting security cams as a solution to crime just today and yet London is known for having one of the highest density of surveillance cameras on the planet for an urban region.

So which one is the cause and which is the effect or are you too caught up in your own bile to notice?

I missed that. Yes... I'd say BY needs to go back to the drawing board with that one.

[Peikko 1,575]

Offences against the person - from the same report. Seriously, there are loads of pub brawl type incidents in the UK, and it's not fun, but it's not like drive by shootings, gun toting robbery which are all pretty common place in the US urban setting. I am sure in some inner cities in the UK there is drug related crime too, but I would rather be attacked with a knife than a gun, seriously.

[mawilson 2,133]

Wait up, don't forget the 84% in the least serious category, ie slaps and punches, pub brawl stuff. I don't think the US even bothers with those statistics

As someone who lived in both New York and London, I can tell you that New York feels a lot safer than London. Not very scientific, I know, but still...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Wait up, don't forget the 84% in the least serious category, ie slaps and punches, pub brawl stuff. I don't think the US even bothers with those statistics

As someone who lived in both New York and London, I can tell you that New York feels a lot safer than London. Not very scientific, I know, but still...

In Manhattan though... Most of the crime there is in the outer boroughs.

[Peikko 1,575]

I have never lived in London, but I have always felt safe when I have gone there, and I used to travel alone to London from the age of 16, at least once a week. I don't even get scared on the tube. However, it is true that I visit the 'tourist' type areas which are not the same I know. I now live in the OC, it's feels as safe as anywhere, but again, I avoid some areas - at least I do if I know they are there

[mawilson 2,133]

Wait up, don't forget the 84% in the least serious category, ie slaps and punches, pub brawl stuff. I don't think the US even bothers with those statistics

As someone who lived in both New York and London, I can tell you that New York feels a lot safer than London. Not very scientific, I know, but still...

In Manhattan though... Most of the crime there is in the outer boroughs.

I lived in Brooklyn too - there are few places left in Brooklyn that are still unsafe.

No idea about Queens, the Bronx or Staten Island.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Wait up, don't forget the 84% in the least serious category, ie slaps and punches, pub brawl stuff. I don't think the US even bothers with those statistics

As someone who lived in both New York and London, I can tell you that New York feels a lot safer than London. Not very scientific, I know, but still...

In Manhattan though... Most of the crime there is in the outer boroughs.

I lived in Brooklyn too - there are few places left in Brooklyn that are still unsafe.

No idea about Queens, the Bronx or Staten Island.

Well from what I saw on the Dateline NBC - the Bronx is where you go if you want to pick up streetwalkers.

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Did they say where to go for the STD treatment right after?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Did they say where to go for the STD treatment right after?

'fraid not.

[Heracles 417]

Don't get your bait- unless you're referring to crime in itself. Ironic you were touting security cams as a solution to crime just today and yet London is known for having one of the highest density of surveillance cameras on the planet for an urban region.

So which one is the cause and which is the effect or are you too caught up in your own bile to notice?

Don't confuse catching out your bias for minorities as baiting. What percentage of London is covered by security cameras? Do you know the location of violent crimes vs surveillance camera coverage in the area?

I also like how you skipped over the education and welfare point. Unfortunately for you, the UK is not renowned for slavery or segregation. Therefore that bull ####### you pull with the race card can't be used in this situation.

Edited October 10, 2008 by Aficionado