Man shot three times in street by racist gunman - for wearing Barack Obama T-shirt

[Peikko 1,575]

Oh, I wonder - meanwhile the majority of folks in the UK feel perfectly safe without access to guns, imagine that?

All my family and friends are in London and they would disagree. There seems to be always something happening to someone they know whether directly or indirectly. My mother was just telling me this morning that the "nice lady" from the chemist was mugged during the day waiting at the bus stop. If the UK allowed their citizens to be armed, far less crime would take place.

We simply are not going to agree on this one. I believe very strongly that the UK is a great place to live because being armed is not the norm - including for the police (who would be the last to wish for an armed population) You only have to look at the difference between the way a UK cop deals with a threatening situation to realize how starkly different the US and the UK are in terms of violent criminal activity. The UK is small, violent crime is relatively rare - all the statistics prove that.

I am sorry your family lives in one of the problem areas though, that must be pretty sucky.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It was South Norwood. Lets face it, South Norwood is a complete hole. You don't stop in South Norwood - you drive straight through and out the other side, quickly. There are various areas of London that should be blown up and this is definitely one of them. Harlesden, Penge, South Kilburn,

Bermondsey, Peckham, and Walthamstow are the others.

meaning ... the laws don't work ...

Oh i totally agree. Banning knives and guns was a complete success wasn't it? No one, and I mean no one is the victim of gun or knife crime in the UK. I think though that blowing up a good number of cesspit london boroughs will do wonders for the crime rate.

i wonder how many law abiding citizens have died cursing that law that took away their right to self defense.

umm ... all of them

500-odd people a year (see above)

what ... no link?

your words (numbers) may ... or may not be accurate ...

Home Office website. I looked at it, so can you.

why .. you posted it... do the deed (reference) ... otherwise ... does it really exist?

Yes it exists. Your loss I guess.

[jundp 191]

That wasn't a racist hate crime...that was the fashion police because that was one UGLY AZZ shirt.

Sorry. It's true. Didn't even look like Obama.

[natty bumppo 297]

It was South Norwood. Lets face it, South Norwood is a complete hole. You don't stop in South Norwood - you drive straight through and out the other side, quickly. There are various areas of London that should be blown up and this is definitely one of them. Harlesden, Penge, South Kilburn,

Bermondsey, Peckham, and Walthamstow are the others.

meaning ... the laws don't work ...

Oh i totally agree. Banning knives and guns was a complete success wasn't it? No one, and I mean no one is the victim of gun or knife crime in the UK. I think though that blowing up a good number of cesspit london boroughs will do wonders for the crime rate.

i wonder how many law abiding citizens have died cursing that law that took away their right to self defense.

umm ... all of them

500-odd people a year (see above)

what ... no link?

your words (numbers) may ... or may not be accurate ...

Home Office website. I looked at it, so can you.

why .. you posted it... do the deed (reference) ... otherwise ... does it really exist?

Yes it exists. Your loss I guess.

actually you're stealing data you didn't collect or publish and/or spewing lies ... the link keeps you honest

[britty 1]

Oh, I wonder - meanwhile the majority of folks in the UK feel perfectly safe without access to guns, imagine that?

All my family and friends are in London and they would disagree. There seems to be always something happening to someone they know whether directly or indirectly. My mother was just telling me this morning that the "nice lady" from the chemist was mugged during the day waiting at the bus stop. If the UK allowed their citizens to be armed, far less crime would take place.

We simply are not going to agree on this one. I believe very strongly that the UK is a great place to live because being armed is not the norm - including for the police (who would be the last to wish for an armed population) You only have to look at the difference between the way a UK cop deals with a threatening situation to realize how starkly different the US and the UK are in terms of violent criminal activity. The UK is small, violent crime is relatively rare - all the statistics prove that.

I am sorry your family lives in one of the problem areas though, that must be pretty sucky.

Lets agree to disagree. I will always want to arm the citizens of the UK. I think US police deal adequately with violent criminal activity. Engage in criminal activity if you wish but don't whine when you get a good kicking from the cops. In the UK, the best police can do these days is write a strongly worded letter.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

actually you're stealing data you didn't collect or publish and/or spewing lies ... the link keeps you honest

Nah it means playing another of your silly games. If its a big deal to you - feel free to prove me wrong.

[Heracles 417]

Oh, I wonder - meanwhile the majority of folks in the UK feel perfectly safe without access to guns, imagine that?

All my family and friends are in London and they would disagree. There seems to be always something happening to someone they know whether directly or indirectly. My mother was just telling me this morning that the "nice lady" from the chemist was mugged during the day waiting at the bus stop. If the UK allowed their citizens to be armed, far less crime would take place.

We simply are not going to agree on this one. I believe very strongly that the UK is a great place to live because being armed is not the norm - including for the police (who would be the last to wish for an armed population) You only have to look at the difference between the way a UK cop deals with a threatening situation to realize how starkly different the US and the UK are in terms of violent criminal activity. The UK is small, violent crime is relatively rare - all the statistics prove that.

I am sorry your family lives in one of the problem areas though, that must be pretty sucky.

I would like to see how things would change if the UK was literally attached to South America. The UK also does not have the same demographics as the United States. If we replaced 50% of Brits with the same number of people from the US, the stats would be extremely different.

Edited October 8, 2008 by Aficionado

[natty bumppo 297]

actually you're stealing data you didn't collect or publish and/or spewing lies ... the link keeps you honest

Nah it means playing another of your silly games. If its a big deal to you - feel free to prove me wrong.

what game? you posted a statistic ... no proof given so it must not exist.

post the link ... and there will be no problems on this end ...

[Peikko 1,575]

Oh, I wonder - meanwhile the majority of folks in the UK feel perfectly safe without access to guns, imagine that?

All my family and friends are in London and they would disagree. There seems to be always something happening to someone they know whether directly or indirectly. My mother was just telling me this morning that the "nice lady" from the chemist was mugged during the day waiting at the bus stop. If the UK allowed their citizens to be armed, far less crime would take place.

We simply are not going to agree on this one. I believe very strongly that the UK is a great place to live because being armed is not the norm - including for the police (who would be the last to wish for an armed population) You only have to look at the difference between the way a UK cop deals with a threatening situation to realize how starkly different the US and the UK are in terms of violent criminal activity. The UK is small, violent crime is relatively rare - all the statistics prove that.

I am sorry your family lives in one of the problem areas though, that must be pretty sucky.

Lets agree to disagree. I will always want to arm the citizens of the UK. I think US police deal adequately with violent criminal activity. Engage in criminal activity if you wish but don't whine when you get a good kicking from the cops. In the UK, the best police can do these days is write a strongly worded letter.

Works for me

[britty 1]

Oh, I wonder - meanwhile the majority of folks in the UK feel perfectly safe without access to guns, imagine that?

All my family and friends are in London and they would disagree. There seems to be always something happening to someone they know whether directly or indirectly. My mother was just telling me this morning that the "nice lady" from the chemist was mugged during the day waiting at the bus stop. If the UK allowed their citizens to be armed, far less crime would take place.

We simply are not going to agree on this one. I believe very strongly that the UK is a great place to live because being armed is not the norm - including for the police (who would be the last to wish for an armed population) You only have to look at the difference between the way a UK cop deals with a threatening situation to realize how starkly different the US and the UK are in terms of violent criminal activity. The UK is small, violent crime is relatively rare - all the statistics prove that.

I am sorry your family lives in one of the problem areas though, that must be pretty sucky.

Oh no, they live in one of the nicer areas. It just goes to show that the scum element is on the move.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

actually you're stealing data you didn't collect or publish and/or spewing lies ... the link keeps you honest

Nah it means playing another of your silly games. If its a big deal to you - feel free to prove me wrong.

what game? you posted a statistic ... no proof given so it must not exist.

post the link ... and there will be no problems on this end ...

You loss I guess then.

[Peikko 1,575]

My mum never mentions crime, I guess the scummy element hasn't reached anywhere near where she lives.

[natty bumppo 297]

actually you're stealing data you didn't collect or publish and/or spewing lies ... the link keeps you honest

Nah it means playing another of your silly games. If its a big deal to you - feel free to prove me wrong.

what game? you posted a statistic ... no proof given so it must not exist.

post the link ... and there will be no problems on this end ...

You loss I guess then.

whats to lose? you're losing fine on your own ...

I simply asked for you to post a link to your reference ....

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

actually you're stealing data you didn't collect or publish and/or spewing lies ... the link keeps you honest

Nah it means playing another of your silly games. If its a big deal to you - feel free to prove me wrong.

what game? you posted a statistic ... no proof given so it must not exist.

post the link ... and there will be no problems on this end ...

You loss I guess then.

whats to lose? you're losing fine on your own ...

I simply asked for you to post a link to your reference ....

You're a big boy. What happened to Personal Responsibility - aren't you a big propoonent of this?

If it is to be its up to me, and all that jazz?

[natty bumppo 297]

actually you're stealing data you didn't collect or publish and/or spewing lies ... the link keeps you honest

Nah it means playing another of your silly games. If its a big deal to you - feel free to prove me wrong.

what game? you posted a statistic ... no proof given so it must not exist.

post the link ... and there will be no problems on this end ...

You loss I guess then.

whats to lose? you're losing fine on your own ...

I simply asked for you to post a link to your reference ....

You're a big boy. What happened to Personal Responsibility - aren't you a big propoonent of this?

If it is to be its up to me, and all that jazz?

you apparently have none ... you posted the stat ... no reference was posted even after requested multiple times ... guess the promoted stat doesn't exist ...