White Privilege, White Entitlement and the 2008 Election

[IAMX 3,055]

Pro human here. Nuff said.

Anti-conservative here.

I mean, what's great about being conservative and in a society? You hate taxes, you hate progression (social progression, namely, like gay marriage, womens rights, blacks rights), you hate helping others, and you accomplish pretty much nothing. Conservative sounds archaic, like some caveman clubbing some woman over the head, dragging her back to the cave, and writing scripture on the cave walls, killing any other caveman (especially of different skin color) that dares come near (no illegal immigrants).

When I think conservative I think someone who needs to be on an island to themselves, not trying to hold back the rest of society.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

i guess my original point was targeted at die hard republicans who won't budge on anything, rednecks. there's a lot here (in the deep south). i don't think for a second that anyone who comes on here falls into that category.

i've met quite a few "rednecks" (which btw i consider to be a disparaging term) who are strongly democratic.

you think it's disparaging? have you been to the south? just an hour ago i saw a truck drive by with the word REDNECK across the windshield. it is very very common here, people are proud of it.

you must be new here.

and if you watch how that word is thrown around in vj, it's used to look down on a group of people.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

plus an aggressive vehicle-like annual registration to ensure responsibility and liability, and thorough background to prevent certain recidivists from attaining them

i'd like to hear more about how that's supposed to work.

[IAMX 3,055]

plus an aggressive vehicle-like annual registration to ensure responsibility and liability, and thorough background to prevent certain recidivists from attaining them

i'd like to hear more about how that's supposed to work.

Once I get elected you'll hear all about it. B)

Edited October 8, 2008 by SRVT

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

We have people here saying that lack of education is the problem. WRONG! The rampant and uncontrolled crime wave is the issue. You can give a kid all the money and facilities in the world to get an education but if they cannot go to school or live in a safe area, they are never going to get an education. I don't know of many people who would be concerned over algebra rather than surviving the day.

What you fail to understand is that all of these issues are connected - education ties to employment, to economics to crime. Subcultural values are then informed by these conditions.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

plus an aggressive vehicle-like annual registration to ensure responsibility and liability, and thorough background to prevent certain recidivists from attaining them

i'd like to hear more about how that's supposed to work.

Once I get elected you'll hear all about it. B)

in other words, never.

[natty bumppo 297]

plus an aggressive vehicle-like annual registration to ensure responsibility and liability, and thorough background to prevent certain recidivists from attaining them

i'd like to hear more about how that's supposed to work.

Once I get elected you'll hear all about it. B)

in other words, never.

oh ... does this men SVRT is running for office ? ?

cool ... we get to read about ALL about SRVT's historical abnormal habits ... oh wait ... this is a "PG" rated forum ....

[Heracles 417]

We have people here saying that lack of education is the problem. WRONG! The rampant and uncontrolled crime wave is the issue. You can give a kid all the money and facilities in the world to get an education but if they cannot go to school or live in a safe area, they are never going to get an education. I don't know of many people who would be concerned over algebra rather than surviving the day.

What you fail to understand is that all of these issues are connected - education ties to employment, to economics to crime. Subcultural values are then informed by these conditions.

The United Kingdom and Australia both prove that no matter how much money (welfare) and opportunities (through education) you throw at people, certain people will still be more prone to crime than others. Especially in communities where kids folks do not give a #### about them.

Actually six, most of the people I went to school with who are now serving time came from wealthy families. The problem was they did not have any discipline at home and due to over zealous youth protection laws, were not disciplined in the real world either. What was it maviwaro called it, cause and effect.

You mention education over and over again yet I have shown one recent example of a African American kid being strangled at school by a fellow African American student, who is a known gang member. So you tell me six, what sort of education should this kid aspire for. Yes this same kid who is worried about being harassed, bullied or killed.

Edited October 8, 2008 by Aficionado

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

plus an aggressive vehicle-like annual registration to ensure responsibility and liability, and thorough background to prevent certain recidivists from attaining them

i'd like to hear more about how that's supposed to work.

Once I get elected you'll hear all about it. B)

in other words, never.

oh ... does this men SVRT is running for office ? ?

cool ... we get to read about ALL about SRVT's historical abnormal habits ... oh wait ... this is a "PG" rated forum ....

that should be interesting, watching the left leaners defend it all.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

We have people here saying that lack of education is the problem. WRONG! The rampant and uncontrolled crime wave is the issue. You can give a kid all the money and facilities in the world to get an education but if they cannot go to school or live in a safe area, they are never going to get an education. I don't know of many people who would be concerned over algebra rather than surviving the day.

What you fail to understand is that all of these issues are connected - education ties to employment, to economics to crime. Subcultural values are then informed by these conditions.

The United Kingdom and Australia both prove that no matter how much money (welfare) and opportunities (through education) you throw at people, certain people will still be more prone to crime than others. Especially in communities where kids folks do not give a #### about them.

Actually six, most of the people I went to school with who are now serving time came from wealthy families. The problem was they did not have any discipline at home and due to over zealous youth protection laws, were not disciplined in the real world either. What was it maviwaro called it, cause and effect.

You mention education over and over again yet I have shown one recent example of a African American kid being strangled at school by a fellow African American student, who is a known gang member. So you tell me, what sort of education should this kid aspire for. That is, a kid who is worried about being harassed, bullied or killed.

Actually - I said (above) that education is one of several interrelated factors.

[natty bumppo 297]

plus an aggressive vehicle-like annual registration to ensure responsibility and liability, and thorough background to prevent certain recidivists from attaining them

i'd like to hear more about how that's supposed to work.

Once I get elected you'll hear all about it. B)

in other words, never.

oh ... does this men SVRT is running for office ? ?

cool ... we get to read about ALL about SRVT's historical abnormal habits ... oh wait ... this is a "PG" rated forum ....

that should be interesting, watching the left leaners defend it all.

SVRT could be the beginning of another venue on the porn channel ...

[Heracles 417]

Actually - I said (above) that education is one of several interrelated factors.

Your post is the equivalent to those who think wind farms and solar panels will solve the energy crisis. Which they may very well but what about now. These sort of solutions are long term. 10+ year solutions.

What about all of the people who are over 18 and already ganstas? How are we going to educate them? What happens when the younger generation comes into contact with these people? Do you think these kids will be able to live freely without being affected by the crime in their community? Unfortunately good intentions do not protect a kid or a family against gun fire.

I am not dismissing what you suggest but you are not factoring in the reality of 2008. The current situation in America. This is not the UK mate. Ghettos and crime is a huge problem for inner city African Americans. The only short term solution to the crime is to get tough on it. Weed the bad guys out of these neighborhoods so kids have the opportunity to learn. Legistate one strike you are out measures in government housing and so forth. Safety, security and a meal on the table is the most important thing we can give a child or a community to grow. Without these first, education is simply not going to happen. These are the bedrock, the foundation, of all successful communities.

You initially posted about "White Entitlement" but the white man is not going in and shooting up these neighborhoods. The white man is not dealing drugs in these neighborhoods. The white man is not the one that turns a blind eye to the crime, rather than being called a "snitch". As a matter of fact one of my family friends volunteers as a police officer in a predominately African American county, which is the most dangerous in the state. His African American chiefs have told them, and I quote, "not to arrest too many people because it makes the county look bad".

Nonetheless, send me a PM the day education prevents a child from being killed in one of the nations daily drive by shootings..

Edited October 8, 2008 by Aficionado

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Actually - I said (above) that education is one of several interrelated factors.

Your post is the equivalent to those who think wind farms and solar panels will solve the energy crisis. Which they may very well but what about now. These sort of solutions are long term. 10+ year solutions.

What about all of the people who are over 18 and already ganstas? How are we going to educate them? What happens when the younger generation comes into contact with these people? Do you think these kids will be able to live freely without being affected by the crime in their community? Unfortunately good intentions do not protect a kid or a family against gun fire.

I am not dismissing what you suggest but you are not factoring in the reality of 2008. The current situation in America. This is not the UK mate. Ghettos and crime is a huge problem for inner city African Americans. The only short term solution to the crime is to get tough on it. Weed the bad guys out of these neighborhoods so kids have the opportunity to learn. Legistate one strike you are out measures in government housing and so forth. Safety, security and a meal on the table is the most important thing we can give a child or a community to grow. Without these first, education is simply not going to happen. These are the bedrock, the foundation, of all successful communities.

You initially posted about "White Entitlement" but the white man is not going in and shooting up these neighborhoods. The white man is not dealing drugs in these neighborhoods. The white man is not the one that turns a blind eye to the crime, rather than being called a "snitch". As a matter of fact one of my family friends volunteers as a police officer in a predominately African American county, which is the most dangerous in the state. His African American chiefs have told them, and I quote, "not to arrest too many people because it makes the county look bad".

Nonetheless, send me a PM the day education prevents a child from being killed in one of the nations daily drive by shootings..

Let me say once again. There are several interrelated factors at work which relate to the problems of the inner city and urban poor.

Education ties to employment, to economics to crime. Subcultural values are then informed by these conditions.

[Heracles 417]

Let me say once again. There are several interrelated factors at work which relate to the problems of the inner city and urban poor.

Education ties to employment, to economics to crime. Subcultural values are then informed by these conditions.

And let me spell it out for you again. Without Safety, security and a meal on the table, nothing will change. Not only will these kids never get an education but the cycle of crime and poverty will repeat itself.

Plus, please tell me how we are going to educate people when the attitude in the country is "yo ain't tell mez what to do". How does one teach people, again, what it means to be a parent. What, as a parent, their responsibilities are. That the American tax payer is not a granny.

Ultimately step one is ensuring the above three are accessible by all. This is what countries with a high standard if living provide to their residents. Education is second.

Edited October 8, 2008 by Aficionado

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Let me say once again. There are several interrelated factors at work which relate to the problems of the inner city and urban poor.

Education ties to employment, to economics to crime. Subcultural values are then informed by these conditions.

And let me spell it out for you again. Without Safety, security and a meal on the table nothing will change. Not only will these kids never get an education but the cycle of crime and poverty will repeat itself.

Plus, please tell me how we are going to educate people when the attitude in the country is "yo ain't tell mez what to do". How does one teach people, again, what it means to be a parent. What the responsibilities are. That the American tax payer is not a granny.

Ultimately step one is ensuring the above three are accessible by all.

I don't know - I rather suspect smarter and more committed people than either of us have been trying to solve this conundrum for decades.

Regardless - I'm not sure what you're really asking... This isn't an issue that has a single simple solution.

Edited October 8, 2008 by Paul Daniels